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Should You Buy a New Harley Davidson

you. can't. be. serious.  (Sep 18, 2008 | post #374)

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10 dead in car bombing at US Embassy in Yemen

How incredibly clever. Just like everyone else who so effectively squashed his campaign, you make jokes instead of even attempting to prove where he's wrong and you're right. Ron Paul's positions on foreign policy directly mirror that of our founding fathers, which are simultaneously praised and then ignored by the people praising them. What a bunch of hypocritical idiots.  (Sep 17, 2008 | post #23)

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Should helmets be required for all motorcyclists?

sorry for the accidental double-post. I forget about the character limit and had to break up my reply.  (Sep 17, 2008 | post #191)

Motorcycles

Should helmets be required for all motorcyclists?

Yes, without Google I am fully aware of HD's ancient, tractor-like long stroke engine design and it's firing pattern of the siamese-rod single pin crank resulting in the loping "potato potato" idle pattern. But that's mostly the timing of the sound, the harmonics of it all having to do with that and all other sorts of factors including metallurgy, valve angle, head/port design, exhaust system design, etc. If someone violated HD's patents and copied their designs, they would sound identical. Hence the V-Rod sounds nothing like any other HD, and is among the plethora of reasons why most of the brand's loyal customers hate itYes, lots of people twiddle with their bikes for better performance and end up making the bike run worse in the process. The squids putting the short cans on their GSXR's make the bike louder and probably lose horsepower, even with the aid of a power commander. Until very recently HD's have not included catalytic converters and one of the last manufacturers to adopt EFI, so when the EPA mandates new emissions standards they had to jet the bikes incredibly lean for the idle-speed HC measurement. Carbs being limited in their passive mechanical fuel delivery suffered and affected the engine operation at all speeds. So yes, you can adjust for these things, and hopefully HD's EFI systems are working well. But they haven't gotten any quieter. I have operated chassis dynamometers doing 5th gear RO's of various brand motorcycles, and even the loudest modified short exhaust sport bike we ran (and there were LOTS of them) was NO WHERE near as deafening as the twin-cam Fatboy with screamin' eagle straight pipes. I wish I would have had access to a SPL or dB meter at the time to see how much louder it actually was.  (Sep 17, 2008 | post #190)

Motorcycles

Should helmets be required for all motorcyclists?

I was being sarcastic about the 'loud pipes saves lives' comment. That's simply a justification to have an obnoxiously loud machine, esp. with all the in-cab audible distractions and noise canceling technology going into modern cars today, you'd have to ride a GP bike to be heard, and the soccer mom that rear-ended me at a light last week would probably still have done so in spite of the noise. Personally I complain about narrow-degree v-twins most often regarding noise, because they're the loudest and the most obnoxious-sounding . An R6 pegging the rev limiter at a traffic light is really annoying, but still just not as obnoxiously loud as a HD or other narrow V-twin. I've actually tried to guess what kind of bike it was by the sound many times, and yes, HD's are distinctive at idle, and the japanese sport bikes all sound the same. If you don't hear anything it's a BMW, and if it's a perfectly smooth rumble with an almost VW-like chirping whistle, it's a Triumph triple. And a well-tuned Ducati sounds sexier than anything. Like me you have a taste for a given sound and distaste for others, but I have no doubt that HD's and other Narrow-angle v-twins are MUCH louder. As I said, sport bikes are annoying as well as HD's, but HD's are louder and more obnoxious. You probably notice the high pitch of sport bikes simply because of your distaste for them and of that type of sound. ButWhere in the world are you getting your physics info? You're completely backwards on your statement that the HD twin exhaust doesn't carry as far as higher-pitched 4 cylinder bikes. Why do people hear the low rumble of a helicopter long before the high-pitched whining of the rotating parts, if heard that at all? Why are foghorns and train horns lower-pitched? Why do you only hear the bass of the idiots with their thumping car stereos from blocks away? It's because low-frequency sound waves travel further due to less of their energy being absorbed by any given sound-transmitting medium. If you didn't already know this (which you must not have based on your statement) and had to Google it, maybe you're learning something about why obnoxiously-loud HD's are more of a noise nuisance than other motorcycles.  (Sep 17, 2008 | post #189)

Motorcycles

Should helmets be required for all motorcyclists?

Yes, without Google I am fully aware of HD's ancient, tractor-like long stroke engine design and it's firing pattern of the siamese-rod single pin crank resulting in the loping "potato potato" idle pattern. But that's mostly the timing of the sound, the harmonics of it all having to do with that and all other sorts of factors including metallurgy, valve angle, head/port design, exhaust system design, etc. If someone violated HD's patents and copied their designs, they would sound identical. Hence the V-Rod sounds nothing like any other HD, and is among the plethora of reasons why most of the brand's loyal customers hate itYes, lots of people twiddle with their bikes for better performance and end up making the bike run worse in the process. The squids putting the short cans on their GSXR's make the bike louder and probably lose horsepower, even with the aid of a power commander. Until very recently HD's have not included catalytic converters and one of the last manufacturers to adopt EFI, so when the EPA mandates new emissions standards they had to jet the bikes incredibly lean for the idle-speed HC measurement. Carbs being limited in their passive mechanical fuel delivery suffered and affected the engine operation at all speeds. So yes, you can adjust for these things, and hopefully HD's EFI systems are working well. But they haven't gotten any quieter. I have operated chassis dynamometers doing 5th gear RO's of various brand motorcycles, and even the loudest modified short exhaust sport bike we ran (and there were LOTS of them) was NO WHERE near as deafening as the twin-cam Fatboy with screamin' eagle straight pipes. I wish I would have had access to a SPL or dB meter at the time to see how much louder it actually was.  (Sep 17, 2008 | post #188)

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10 dead in car bombing at US Embassy in Yemen

sweet. another country we can declare war on. *rolls eyes* Google Ron Paul  (Sep 17, 2008 | post #15)

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Dad chases nude boy from daughter's room with pipe

why am I not surprised when I click on this story it's out of FL? Fark news found without Fark  (Sep 16, 2008 | post #1848)

Motorcycles

My wife and I are considering a scooter to save on transp...

To bring this back on topic, yes, there are very significant fuel savings to be had when piloting a scooter vs. an automobile. Actually there have been many articles in motorcycle periodicals lately running down a list of fuel-friendly motorcycles and scooters. There's nothing wrong with riding a scooter. It is a choice for any individual to make. The problem is that most people in this country look at motor vehicles as some exclamation of sexual preference or inadequacies, compensation for, or in lack thereof, or in this case, assumption of a criminal record, instead of what it most likely is; a choice of thrift and utility. If I had the disposable income, I'd consider purchasing a scooter for commuting myself.  (Sep 16, 2008 | post #17)

Federal Reserve Bank

Greenspan: Country Can't Afford McCain's Tax Cuts

Ron Paul  (Sep 16, 2008 | post #273)

Motorcycles

Should helmets be required for all motorcyclists?

In my statement I didn't say ALL HD riders, but even if I had, it would only be a slight exaggeration. HD's are very noisy machines, from my experience mostly at the rider's prerogative. There is an unprecedented volume of aftermarket exhaust manufacturers for HD's, including the factory Screamin' Eagle line. So just because the exhaust modifications of HD's aren't as visibly obvious as with many sport bikes, the ringing in my ears from the HD that just blasted by me justifies my statement. "Loud pipes save lives," right? Yes there are squids out there that put shorty cans on their GSX-R's, and they're equally annoying. But, here in Central FL, where I see A LOT of bikers on a daily basis, the overwhelming majority of obnoxious loud bikes are HD's, I don't care how many miles you've ridden, if that's what the mile number at your post is implying, it is undeniable that HD's are inherently designed to be noticed by sound of their loud exhaust. Don't even begin to counterpunch me by referencing my avatar. As a matter of fact I no longer own the bike pictured, nor was it loud at all.  (Sep 16, 2008 | post #184)

Motorcycles

Should helmets be required for all motorcyclists?

That video is not only terribly cliche but full of inaccurate biased 'facts.' "Tattoo'd Jesse" is idiotic Such as the 'fact' that the DOT mandates 'only' a 14mph direct impact rating, but this is literally based on dropping a helmet a direct perpendicular angle to the impacted object, an anvil as tested. As he even stated "DIRECT. " The speed, angle, and surface composition of the impact all have to do with it, so it's not at all like he's suggesting that anything over that speed would cause helmet failure. And the Dale Earnhardt comment, that's idiotic. Earnhardt's helmet had NOTHING to do with his death either way. The speed of the impact and his refusal to wear the HANS device killed him when the base of his scull fractured as it separated from the top of his spine when he hit the wall. Wearing a helmet didn't cause that. The shear speed and angle of the wreck caused it, not the minor weight of his helmet. Interferes with hearing, with HD riders? Seriously? HD riders have the most obnoxiously loud bikes that this argument is moot. Yes, wearing a helmet you have less visibility than without, but by no means with a properly designed and sized helmet does i impede your vision anymore than a dirty fairing/windshield , ape-hangers, or an 8-inch beard in the wind. And the truth is, you are MUCH safer wearing a helmet than not. There is a difference, regardless of his opinion to the contrary. If protective measures weren't effective at reducing injuries at all, then road racers should be out there racing in t-shirts and levi's, right? Get real, quit being so divisive, don't be ignorant and use common sense. I could care less IF somebody wears a helmet or not, it's their choice, but don't argue they REDUCE safety. I do think there needs to be MUCH more emphasis to drivers regarding motorcyclists, but not to the extent to REQUIRE every driver to take an MSF course, it's hard enough to get into these classes with the waiting lists they already have. And mandatory 1-year jail sentences for a DUI is excessive. This will do little to keep them from repeating it, other than for that one year behind bars. The govt. is already too involved in what we can and can't do. Banning cell phones shouldn't be necessary, neither banning eating and drinking in cars. Those things should be investigated as a contributing factor in any accident and should be used to assess fault, which could be met with steeper penalties.  (Aug 23, 2008 | post #181)

US News

Web's salary charts tell all, and we love it

Yes, but it's not that cut and dry is what I'm saying. There are other factors artificially inflating the perceived 'worth' of a given thing or person. "Supply and Creation" is what it should be calledSHOW ME THE MONEY Which workers? This must be some oddball average your talking about that takes into account all the higher paying professions where I can only IMAGINE that "How much does it pay?" isn't the first thought that crosses the mind. I suppose that if you know you're "worth" a ballpark figure that the position you're going for is in range of and it's easily enough to sustain you, then maybe you don't think about salary first, but I personally don't know anybody like that. To give you an example of what I'm talking about, I have had nothing but glowing reviews at my job only to be given the same measly maximum annual raise (more or less automatic) as the guy in my department one write-up away from termination. We both have same levels of seniority and I have much more responsibilities and duties, which I took upon myself in large part to prove I was worth more than my salary in hopes of a REAL raise, but due to company stingy-ness I can't unravel, going above and beyond my duties FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR got me nothing in return. The company just raised the starting salary for people in my position, and as a result, I'm getting a pay bump, but only to that starting salary level. So in other words, after proving myself and investing 2 years of my life with the company, I'm valued just as much as a true entry-level, fresh-off-the-grad uation-floor-candi date, regardless of my education, years of experience and time working VERY HARD for the company. So I don't really care as much as I used to. If they make it known I'm of some value, I'll put forth the same effort I did previouslyNot true. See above. Hard, beneficial work is met with a thank you at best. I convinced my boss of being worth more than I was paid, and the head of my department, who still said no, but verbally thanked me for all the hard work. "Against company policy to give you a bigger raise than you've already received" I was told. TOTAL BS What really matters is how much positive PR you can generate, then you can be a complete nimrod but lauded a savior and rewarded handsomely. That's all that really matters.  (May 5, 2008 | post #112)

US News

Web's salary charts tell all, and we love it

yes, athletes are paid too much, esp. baseball players, who mostly just stand around gnawing on tobacco or sunflower seeds in the outfield for a couple of hours each day, at least until they have to actually RUN to catch a ball, where they get hurt and are unable to play for 2 months. It's not supply and demand entirely concerning these athletes. It all has to do with that great artificial inflater of value - advertising. If it were just about making a profit on top of the overhead of fielding a team of players, the seats wouldn't cost nearly as much. The thing I dislike is that they're contractually paid, so even if they're hurt for 1/2 a season, they still make their full salary. THAT is BS. At least with individual sports like Golf or Tennis, you have to actually PERFORM WELL to get PAID WELL. Yes, there is a disparity among value and it's easy to pick on this or that profession vs. another. I'm a big proponent of raising salaries to get better motivation out of people, and better performance. If you pay people a respectable wage, they're more inclined to give a damn, instead of saying "the hell with it, I'm not paid to care enough to work this hard." And somebody mentioned the solders getting paid vs. athletes. Well that's obviously impossible, you think our foreign policy is bankrupting us now - lookout! But seriously, those who enroll in the military and serve honorably are set up with a LOT of lifetime perks the rest of us will never see, so they do get something for their service that extends FAR beyond their active duty time. Too bad we're at war, otherwise it'd be a really sweet deal.  (May 5, 2008 | post #76)

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