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Are Non JW's Aware of the 1975 Debacle?

Good For You! I was 8 or 9 years old when my parents were converted. I was soon convinced that the JW religion was the truth. But I loathed it. I hated the meetings, detested the ministry work even more and couldn't wait for them to finish. I was well into reading good quality fiction and resented the time I had to spend reading the Watchtower which I considered to be didactic and disapproving. I was a real outdoor boy into fishing, sports and socialising. Being a witness was, for me, just plain tedious.  (Thursday | post #173)

Jehovah's Witness

Are Non JW's Aware of the 1975 Debacle?

Without doubt, the Governing Body of Jehovah's witnesses DELIBERATELY encouraged their flock to believe that armageddon would arrive no later than autumn 1975. I saw it. I heard it. Again and again and again. The cautionary notes were few and far between. Assembly after assembly had us all jumping with excitement. Only 9 more visits to the householders brothers! Only 8 more visits to the householders brothers! We must do this, if we don't we'll be bloodguilty! Reports are heard of vultures over London. Certainly Jehovah is getting ready for armageddon - shouldn't we be too? Limit your Bible studies to 6 months only - we haven't time to give them more than that if they haven't progressed! Sell up, move out! The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the "last days" have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God! Fred Franz: After September 5, things could happen, and it looks very likely they're going to happen, according to the way that affairs are going in the world ... ... So it could come, quickly, within a short time after the terminal day of the lunar year 1975. And we should not jump to wrong decisions on that account and say, well, the time after September 5, 1975 is indefintely long and so it will allow for me to realize my human aspirations, getting married and raising a family -- kids; or, going to college for a few years and learning engineering and finding a fine position as an engineer ... or some other prominent, fine paying job. No! The time does not allow for that dear friends .... Evidently there is not much time left ... And I'm the liar??? Get a life Aneirin. Or at most, admit that you're hopelessly in denial.  (Tuesday Dec 6 | post #130)

Jehovah's Witness

Where in the bible is smoking a ds offense?

In 1972, when I finally realised that the JW religion was just plain wrong, I drove out to a Chichester pub, bought a couple of pints of beer and smoked 2 cigars straight off. I was 26 years old. Of course I then started smoking in earnest - cue Aneirin to come in waving his finger of admonishment - and continued smoking until I was 50. One day I realised that I didn't want to be a smoker any longer and simply stopped. I'm glad that I did. Now I can't stand the smell of ciggies although just occasionally I smell a Romeo & Juliet cigar and enjoy its aroma.  (Tuesday Dec 6 | post #65)

Jehovah's Witness

Are Non JW's Aware of the 1975 Debacle?

Strangely, the March WT of 1980 referred to its earlier article about 1975 in the WT July 15th, 1976 and seemed to go further with accepting more responsibility for the disseminating of false information that led to such great expectations., although one wonders if they weren't trying to shift the blame onto the writers of the misleading articles. >>6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: "If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises." In saying "anyone, " The Watchtower INCLUDED ALL DISAPPOINTED ONES of Jehovah's Witnesses, hence INCLUDING PERSONS HAVING TO DO WITH THE PUBLICATION OF THE INFORMATION that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.<< In this case the "wrong premises" were entirely given to the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses by the Society itself, in particular by "persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.  (Tuesday Dec 6 | post #126)

Jehovah's Witness

Are Jehovah's witnesses Hated?

You're a liar - you're telling one now. But feel free to carry on humiliating yourself.  (Monday Dec 5 | post #279)

Jehovah's Witness

Where in the bible is smoking a ds offense?

So now even asking questions is banned. Time to call in the JC!  (Monday Dec 5 | post #17)

Jehovah's Witness

Where in the bible is smoking a ds offense?

I remember when people would smoke even after baptism. It was just regarded as an aberration back then, a sign of immaturity..  (Monday Dec 5 | post #10)

Jehovah's Witness

Are Jehovah's witnesses Hated?

Aneirin, are you OK? Only I noticed that you didn't accuse anyone of being a liar in your last post..  (Monday Dec 5 | post #269)

Jehovah's Witness

Where in the bible is smoking a ds offense?

Where was the OP defending smoking?  (Monday Dec 5 | post #7)

Jehovah's Witness

Are Non JW's Aware of the 1975 Debacle?

The society interspersed the end of 6000 years with comments about the nearness of armageddon over and over again. Such as: The March 1968 KM contained an insert titled "An Opportunity to Increase Your Happiness" (pp. 3-6) that encouraged "vacation pioneering" in April. It contained some statements that were electrifying to many of the friends: >>Since we have dedicated ourselves to Jehovah, we want to do his will to the fullest extent possible. Making some special effort to do more than the usual helps us live up to our dedication. In view of the short period of time left, we want to do this as often as circumstances permit. Just think, brothers, there are only about ninety months left before 6,000 years of man's existence on earth is completed. Do you remember what we learned at the assemblies last summer? The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those who are destroyed then. So, now more than ever, it is vital not to ignore that spirit of wanting to do more.<<  (Monday Dec 5 | post #93)

Jehovah's Witness

Are Non JW's Aware of the 1975 Debacle?

The sense of urgency re 1975 continued to be built, through 1974 and on into 1975. Note how the following excerpt from the December 15, 1974 Watchtower (pp. 764-66) does so: ... now, as the critical year of 1975 enters, it may well be asked: Has the Most High God of prophecy made a name for himself? The answer is self-evident, Yes! By whom? Not by Christendom or by Jewry, but by Jehovah's Christian witnesses!' ... Note how the above-quoted article emphasized "the critical year of 1975." If, as some apologists today claim, the Society only suggested 1975 as a possible date for "the end," then why did the article call the year "critical "? What was "critical " about it, except that it was probably going to be the year of "the end"?  (Sunday Dec 4 | post #74)

Jehovah's Witness

Are Jehovah's witnesses Hated?

More expectation in the WT, May 1, 1975: Another speaker, F. W. Franz, the Society's vice-president, forcefully impressed on the audience the urgency of the Christian preaching work. He stressed that, according to dependable Bible chronology, 6,000 years of human history will end this coming September according to the lunar calendar. This coincides with a time when "the human species [is] about to starve itself to death," as well as its being faced with poisoning by pollution and destruction by nuclear weapons. Franz added: "There's no basis for believing that mankind, faced with what it now faces, can exist for the seventh thousand-year period" under the present system of things. Does this mean that we know exactly when God will destroy this old system and establish a new one? Franz showed that we do not, for we do not know how short was the time interval between Adam's creation and the creation of Eve, at which point God's rest day of seven thousand years began. (Heb. 4:3,4) But, he pointed out, "we should not think that this year of 1975 is of no significance to us," for the Bible proves that Jehovah is "the greatest chronologist" and "we have the anchor date, 1914, marking the end of the Gentile Times." So, he continued, "we are filled with anticipation for the near future, for our generation."  (Sunday Dec 4 | post #230)

Jehovah's Witness

Are Jehovah's witnesses Hated?

No, they got excited by the PROBABILITY. In their own words, they admitted that they had mislead the flock when they said MORE OF A PROBABILITY THAN A POSSIBILTY. The WT admitted this when they said: "there were other statements published that IMPLIED that such realization of hopes by that year was MORE OF A PROBABILITY THAN A POSSIBILTY. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated." Even the WT admits their error. Why can't you?  (Sunday Dec 4 | post #228)

Jehovah's Witness

Are Jehovah's witnesses Hated?

So there we have it. Aneirin's endless blustering blown out of the window by the JW's own admission in their own literature: >>CONSIDERAB LE EXPECTATION WAS AROUSED REGARDING THE YEAR 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that IMPLIED that such realization of hopes by that year was MORE OF A PROBABILITY THAN A POSSIBILTY. <<  (Sunday Dec 4 | post #217)

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