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Jehovah's Witness

God gives you the benefit of the doubt, JWs not so much!

Here you go. Taken from the OP's OP: Why don't JWs do that? Why do JWs want to immediately shut the conversation down and purge the person immediately? Why not follow the Biblical example or the example in your publication?  (44 min ago | post #8)

Jehovah's Witness

God gives you the benefit of the doubt, JWs not so much!

Why does God allow suffering? Chapter 11: Let us consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is right, and they also become rebellious. What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right? All the other students in the class might lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong. But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem.  (3 hrs ago | post #3)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

I post this stuff re kids and JW's in the hope that any parent interested in becoming a JW will give some thought to the effect that such an upbringing will have on their children.  (Yesterday | post #41)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

Broad - brushing? Do kids have to sit through 4 meetings a week? Do kids have to take part in the "ministry " work? Are JW kids discouraged from associating with class-mates or having non-JW friends? Are kids discouraged from further education?  (Friday Jan 13 | post #38)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

Of the young people that I knew as witnesses, around 70% of them left, most in their teens. I saw many parents bewailing their loss and wanting to know what it was that they had done that was wrong as far as their upbringing was concerned. The most revealing answers came from my younger brother, a born-in who left at age 17. He said to our parents: I left because I was sick of being different. I didn't enjoy the meetings. I hated going on the platform to give a talk. I couldn't abide knocking on doors. I just didn't enjoy being a witness at all. The sad part was that my parents never saw it coming. They'd taught my brother to answer at meetings, ask for a "blessing " before meals, join in the pre-Watchtower study and be a generally nice guy who would delight them one day by either going to bethel or becoming a missionary. But he was just playing a part that was required of him in order to be able to fit in somewhere, in this case to fit in with his family.  (Wednesday Jan 11 | post #32)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

Probably a born-in. They do say that to be born into captivity is much easier than being wild-caught and then caged.  (Wednesday Jan 11 | post #27)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

I've written a long account of my upbringing as a witness. Here''s an excerpt that has some relevance: So, I'm now 9 years old.. Now my dad became totally obsessive about all things JW. He got hold of Rutherfords old books and old records. The hissy American voice boomed continuously out of our old radiogram. Dad took me to one side and explained that if I was a good boy I would live forever. He began to criticise my reading of comic books. He berated me daily for not reading the day’s text. He criticised my friends for what they were and worst of all he hated the way I used to kick up about being forced to attend meetings. He was totally, totally obsessed with the witnesses. It dominated everything. Mentally, it was like having a bucked of cold water thrown over me every day. He talked about absolutely nothing else. One day, when Leslie called to take us to yet another public talk and this time the Watchtower study too – 2 bloody hours!!– I raised merry hell. This time Leslie fixed me with a stare and said: “Satan is working through that child” My mother was devastated. She’d been gradually brain-washed by the JW's but her interest was way lower than Dads. I hadn’t a clue who Satan was so I wasn’t troubled overmuch. Mother was still smoking furiously, Dad was puffing his pipe and smoking cigarettes too as well as spending more and more time with witnesses drinking beer in the Load of Hay public house. Eventually, the time came for us to attend our first circuit assembly at Epsom Baths. My Dad had decided to be baptised at the assembly on the Saturday morning. Mum had decided to attend the Friday night session with just me as Dad was at work. This being our first assembly, Mum didn’t know the ropes and thought it would be OK to smoke. Dad was duly baptised and immediately asked for a cigarette. He continued to smoke for over a year afterwards although Mum gave it up immediately after her own baptism at Twickenham. It was no big deal back then, smoking was something mature persons didn’t do, but Dad hung grimly onto his pipe. Meanwhile, Dad’s obsession with JW's got worse and worse. I loathed the whole damn thing with a passion, but now, at 10 years old I was finally beginning to accept the idea that it was me who was at fault and that if Armageddon came anytime soon I wasn’t going to make it. I was going down. I accepted the religion as the truth but loathed it too. All the drip drip drip from my Dad and the 5 meetings a week were slowly writing on the blank canvass of my brain. I was no good. Eventually Dad gave up smoking and qualified as a Ministerial servant. He was then part of the threesome that then formed a judicial committee. Within 3 years he would become a PO of his own congregation. The Feltham congregation of Jehovah's witnesses! And little old me was meanwhile struggling with early adolescent issues and supressive WT articles and feeling like a total worm amidst all the goodness that was around me.  (Wednesday Jan 11 | post #25)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

Oh fa la la. Aneirin. You're even more deluded than I thought. Go boil your head and see if that helps.  (Tuesday Jan 10 | post #23)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

If that's the spin you care to put on my post then that's your privilege. However, the fact remains that a JW upbringing is indeed an abusive one for a child. No friends other than dubbies, endless hours of boredom, lashings of guilt resulting in lowered self-esteem. Sorry if I'm touching a nerve here Aneirin. I'm sorry too that you've totally destroyed any vestiges of respect that I had for you with your falling foul of Godwin's Law. Which is: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches",  (Tuesday Jan 10 | post #21)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

Calm down Taffy and explain your ranting.  (Monday Jan 9 | post #14)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

Nonsense. Nice try Columbo, but if I was trying to hide anything I wouldn't have quoted my source at all. At worst you might say I was a little tardy, but only quoting half a statement is, I recall, something than another certain religious publication has been making a habit of for many years...  (Monday Jan 9 | post #13)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

If that's what you think, then Good For You.  (Monday Jan 9 | post #11)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

Not so. I said According to the Cambridge dictionary, a bigot is someone who holds unreasonable beliefs The full definition is: a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who does not like other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life: Not me Sunshine. I thoroughly enjoy different beliefs and cultures. However, I do strongly disapprove of Jehovah's witnesses because of the negative impact that they have on families. But I don't hate them. There is a modern tendency to cry bigot whenever someone disagrees with a belief or a certain behaviour.  (Monday Jan 9 | post #8)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

I can see that you're struggling with this. You see I don't hate anyone. I notice you are forever stating that I'm a hater of JW's and would be interested to see you provide some quotations where I've actually said such a thing.  (Monday Jan 9 | post #6)

Jehovah's Witness

Is a JW Upbringing an Abusive Upbringing?

1. According to the Cambridge dictionary, a bigot is someone who holds unreasonable beliefs. My beliefs are based on personal experience and are quite reasonable. 2. Witness kids don't have much socialising with non-witnesses and struggle to develop social skills. 3. Lol at your strawman. Anything is better than doing drugs Einstein, what's your point?. 4. Lust is much worse when accompanied by guilt also. Witness kids carry guilt by the bucket load. 5. I put my sons through uni and they all have a work ethic and grew into fine young men. I didn't go to uni, so I worked in a factory, then drove lorries before finally becoming self-employed. I made the best of the mess that I'd been brought up with.  (Monday Jan 9 | post #3)

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