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Stuttgart, AR

How can black people believe in God??

Actually the line regarding "Africans sold other Africans" is yet another fabrication. In fact, African kings were threatened with annihilation if they didn't comply with the white slave traders. Its just another means to diminish the perverse nature of those that went to so many lands in search of exploitable resources including other human beings.  (Sep 26, 2016 | post #87)

Stuttgart, AR

How can black people believe in God??

Interesting mix of racism and stereotyping..not really making a good case for Christian evangelism. Oh and by the way..when you look at the violence that recently occurred over a soccer match, seemed to be mostly/exclusively white on white crime..but that's ok?  (Jun 21, 2016 | post #79)

Stuttgart, AR

How can black people believe in God??

You raise good points (and brought it back on topic.. smile). I think there is a desperation when you feel powerless, so you end up believing in the supernatural. Now..that could have taken the form of ancient african gods but I believe that knowledge was lost over time. But as you stated, the real paradox is belief in the same god as the slave owner who referenced that same god when justifying the beating/killing of his/her slaves. From a contemporary perspective, some of the same still prevails, powerlessness pushing one to believe in something beyond human for relief, hope, or just believe in a better afterlife.. not sure it will ever change until societal conditions change  (May 17, 2016 | post #77)

Jehovah's Witness

Our Life Force (spirit) & Resurrecion

Thanks Mad! .. Yeah.. I just couldn't see the purpose, for example, of the prohibition against trying to communicate with the dead if indeed our souls were immortal.. or the purpose of the resurrection for that matter if we were still alive but just in another realm  (May 1, 2016 | post #22)

Jehovah's Witness

Our Life Force (spirit) & Resurrecion

I have been wondering about this... when you hear testimonies of people who alledgedly had out of body experiences or near death experiences, they speak of existing outside of their body, and in many cases, seeing their physical body while they float above it. I wonder if its indeed a capability of our brain (yet unexplored capability) which is available only as long as the physical body is alive. In other words, even these experiences may not prove that indeed, that ability signfies a soul which in turn represents immortality.. thoughts on NDEs/OBEs Madd?  (Apr 30, 2016 | post #19)

Jehovah's Witness

Hating on the truth..

Lol..yeah, you're right, silly old me!! lol! I just find it is the height of arrogance to continually make up this stuff as time goes on...overlapping generations, and now this...all to keep that carrot out in front of people to keep them hanging on now that we are past 100 years since 1914... its sad and pathetic  (Apr 30, 2016 | post #671)

Stuttgart, AR

How can black people believe in God??

Couldn't have said it better myself brother.. I have a friend who attends a church where they have to show their W-2 statement at the end of each year to show their gross salary so that the preacher can say how much they should contribute based on a percentage of their gross (hell, not even after taxes!). Yeah, I don't know if a God exists or not as described in the bible...am doubtful... if there is another version of God not described in the bible, even that for me is a mystery as I have no evidence of that either.. maybe we're really just on our own  (Apr 30, 2016 | post #74)

Jehovah's Witness

Hating on the truth..

And now I just read in the latest online WT Study edition that, although the scriptures say no one knows the day or the hour, not even the son, only the Father, this article now says that Jesus must know by now. So I think again, this is where JW's step above/beyond scripture and start inserting their own viewpoints. If they would just stick with the scriptures they would get ridiculed less. Who are they to say that Jesus now knows?  (Apr 30, 2016 | post #669)

Jehovah's Witness

Hating on the truth..

To me, perhaps where some of the criticism lies, are in the perhaps overly zealous proclamations about the imminence of the end..people changed their lives so much in accord with what they heard/being taught and then later found that it changed... so objectively speaking, when they spoke in the past, they positioned themselves as God's mouthpiece. I believe there's a more humble view now but...  (Jan 9, 2016 | post #193)

Stuttgart, AR

How can black people believe in God??

I just found this forum, and have to agree 1000% the position you are taking. I know you have a few racists that pose stupid "questions ", but you raise a very salient point, something which I've given a lot of thought to recently, especially in light of some of the police brutality/murders occurring. If there really was a God, then wouldn't He step in where injustice occurs? And really not just what I refer to above but all over the world, regardless of race..so much misery and yet we have people praying to win a football game... Keep up the good work..you definitely offer a great deal of food for thought... and you're right, those scriptures provided explicit instructions, even to the point where a Jew were taken as an indentured servant, they were treated different than those from other nations (released during Jubilee, etc).. Why would a loving God provide specific instructions if He really existed.. or rather, as you postulated, if the bible was written by men then of course, they would include items like these to exert control and maintain it over their fellowman for their own gain. Thanks again  (Jan 2, 2016 | post #71)

Jehovah's Witness

DO the Meek inherit the Earth?

Justice in the new world? Possible imbalance in the U.S. meeting out of justice http://www.politic ususa.com/2014/12/ 28/tennessee-woman -body-armor-shoots -suburban-neighbor hood.html  (Jan 1, 2016 | post #123)

Jehovah's Witness

GIMMEABREAK! Jesus has been RULING 100 yrs???

LOL yep, same here.. it just got to the point where the overlapping generations piece was the tiebreaker for me.. my family are still involved and one brother recently got baptized. I attend once in awhile but again, just not sure what to believe anymore. I think when I discussed with the brother I was studying with at the time, I said what do we mean by the FDS and how does it differ from perhaps any other church? He explained that they depended on holy spirit to guide them as they studied and I said fair enough. But it doesn't make them any different from any other church and so they are just as fallible as the next religion..that was my takeway. So I no longer was going to accept just anything they said without at least thinking upon it and if it made sense whereas in the past I just accepted it  (Jul 3, 2015 | post #310)

Jehovah's Witness

GIMMEABREAK! Jesus has been RULING 100 yrs???

Have to admit had the same view. As the changes kept coming it became harder to believe the direct connection/inspira tion from God.  (Jun 30, 2015 | post #207)

Jehovah's Witness

Why I'm STILL one of Jehovah's Witnesses...

I've been researching different religions for a bit; so most Christian religions seem to differ on the subject of the Trinity, eternal damnation/hellfire , and the existence of an eternal soul. So I looked into others like the Restored Church of God and its cousin the United Church of God and the Christaphelians (know I spelled that wrong ;-) ). The first two are similar to JWs but while they don't believe in a trinity, they do believe in a duality, that Christ and God are the same, oh; and they also don't believe in interracial marriage. The third one doesn't believe in a literal devil. Also looked into the Mormons, Scientology, etc; and you know..Mormons believe they will all become Gods and Scientology seems like, with all due respect, a retread of an old Babylon 5 episode. So... depending upon your mindset, there's not much to choose from outside unless again, you were to adopt the beliefs of the broader community referenced above, or stay with the JWs and pray that some of the inconsistencies regarding eschatology, etc are resolved as new leadership takes over from those passing away. Am considering this path this morning ...so please keep this thread going MadJW, it is helpful to see both sides of the issue.  (Feb 8, 2015 | post #1794)

Jehovah's Witness

Why Pray?

lol..father christmas. But have to admit, its a bit of a mystery to me. I've debated with some atheists and these are the same points they raise and I'm left a bit hard-pressed to refute them on this point. Have trouble myself reconciling the things brought up earlier in this thread and conditions in the world with prayer  (Aug 25, 2014 | post #36)