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"Jaws D3 Variety" wrote: Hi Ya Texas Granny. Sorry to say this but that dont look right to me. You said The only thing that changed was the method of salvation. If people could get saved by the old method then why did Jesus go through what he went though? We could get saved by the old method instead couldnt we? Jesus could have been spared. What is the old method anyway? Chris ===== If you and other Christians took the time to study the Word of God Almighty, rather than bogging down in the lies and deceits of Paul and other New Testament authors, you would see that the means to salvation and living in close harmony with God are clearly spelled out, time after time, in the Hebrew Bible, i.e. the sacred, revealed Word of God. === One example: Deuteronomy Chapter 30 ... 10 if thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law; if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul. {S} 11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not too hard for thee, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say: 'Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?' 13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say: 'Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?' 14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. {S} 15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil, 16 in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His ordinances; then thou shalt live and multiply, and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest in to possess it. file:///C:/!!!!!_c urrent_work/hebrew _bible/et0530.htm === No where does God say that mankind cannot "... get saved by the old method". In fact, God asserts just the opposite, time and time again. It is only Paul and his minions that make that false claim. In fact, Paul bastardizes the sacred Word of God in hopes of leading mankind away from God and to his Pagan puppet, Jesus Christ. Sad that. micah  (Jul 22, 2011 | post #321423)

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"Jaws D3 Variety" wrote: Do you know what has trapped you? Your lie about that message and your distortions of the truth. Say it. Jesus Christ is God. Chris ===== Jesus and Jesus Christ are two separate and distinct people or entities. Jesus the mortal man may have actually lived. There is a small amount of evidence to support an existence by this human. Jesus was born and died a JEW. Jesus NEVER rejected Judaism. Jesus NEVER embraced any other faith. Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah. Jesus NEVER sought to begin a new religion. JESUS WAS NEVER, NEVER A CHRISTAIN. Jesus lived, walked and taught among small groups of Jews. Those who followed Jesus considered him a teacher of Judaism, a Rabbi, and nothing more. Jesus was loved and revered by a small group of Jews. The actual followers of Jesus, the early followers, NEVER considered him the Messiah. There are many, many words and passages within the sacred writings of Judaism that describe in detail who and what the Messiah will be. Jesus did NOT match the BIBLES DESCRIPTION, Jesus DID NOT MATCH the words of GOD, that foretold of the Messiah. There is no formal record of the death of Jesus. NO ONE actually knows how Jesus died. There is no official record of a trial or of a Crucifixion of Jesus. The Jews had a reputation for maintaining a written record of significant events in the world around them. There is nearly nothing among the records of the Jews of a man named Jesus. Had Jesus performed miracles, many people would have known. Events such as miracles are quickly the talk of many peoples and become known by mostly all. True accounts of miracles are recorded in written records. There are NONE. It is only many years after the reputed death of Jesus, that people begin to create written accounts of his life, his reputed miracles, his reputed healings, his teachings, etc., etc. The character JESUS CHRIST only comes into existence in the oral traditions that arose in the years following the reputed death of the man Jesus. Jesus Christ is only fleshed out as a person in the writings of the New Testament, particularly the four Gospels. Among the reputed authors of the gospels only two are from the original twelve disciples, Matthew and John. Most scholars doubt that either of the actual disciples wrote the text bearing their names. In truth, there is absolutely no evidence that the disciples ever existed. Mark and Luke never met Jesus, never saw the man. Paul never met Jesus, never saw the man. Jesus Christ is a myth based entity and nothing more. You are welcome to believe as you choose. micah  (Jul 20, 2011 | post #320684)

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"Skombolis " wrote: Why? I know some of those are from Paul. I said i had verses about Jesus being God not just from Paul also as I assumed the ones included in this list by Paul would be rejected. I included them anyway because I think in context with others iows it is not just Paul saying so. ===== All of the other authors of the words of the New Testament are anonymous individuals. You and all other Christians are willing to rely upon and give direction to your lives based on the ideas and thinking of a host of unknown individuals. Sad that. There is absolutely NOTHING to attest to the claim that the New Testament represents the word of God, other than the words of men, and, mostly unknown individuals. micah  (Jul 18, 2011 | post #319733)

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micah__ wrote: God hates human sacrifices. Who died on the cross? Was it Jesus-the-god, or was it Jesus-the-human? If it was Jesus-the-god, Jews don't believe that God can die. If it was Jesus-the-human, then all Christians have in the death of Jesus was a human death, a human sacrifice. Jews believe that God hates the very idea of human sacrifice. ===== "Doctor Reality" wrote: And God HATES WICKED LIES told by SNAKES,such as yourself,who LIE on His Precious,Holy,Almi ghty Son who Sacrificed His life for the entire human race at the Cross of Calvary. Christ Almighty will DESTROY you at the Great White Throne Judgement. And that will be the SAD REALITY for all who have rejected and insulted the King of kings and Lord of lords. ===== The greatest blasphemy against Almighty God is the common lie that God impregnated a human woman, Mary, and thereby sired a son, later named Jesus Christ. The Pagan God, Jesus Christ, that Paul and others created by their writings in the NT is offensive to all who revere the true God of the Universe, the God of the Bible. The Trinity concept is perhaps the greatest blasphemy one can utter against God, or believe in. God is One, a perfect Unity, a pure Integrity, with nothing lacking, nothing needed. There is NO SON OF GOD. There can be NO SON OF GOD. The claim that God Almighty, the God of the Bible, the God of Creation, the God of Antiquity, had congress with a mortal human woman is pure blasphemy. Gods are Gods, and humans humans, and the two do not mix and mingle, EXCEPT IN FICTIONAL PAGANS ACCOUNTS OF MAN-MADE GODS AND HEROES. Jesus Christ is a Pagan man-made God. The claim that God Almighty, the God of the Bible, the God of Creation, the God of Antiquity, sired a son as a result of that false union is pure blasphemy. This fiction was a part of the myth of many Greek and Roman Gods, Pagan Gods. Gods are Gods, and humans humans, and the two do not conceive and bear children, EXCEPT IN FICTIONAL PAGANS ACCOUNTS OF MAN-MADE GODS AND HEROES. Jesus Christ is a Pagan man-made God. The claim that Mary was a virgin denies the beauty and the mystery of human birth, an act of God, and perhaps the closest thing to an actual miracle that one can experience in this life. Again, pure blasphemy. Virgin births do not occur, EXCEPT IN FICTIONAL PAGANS ACCOUNTS OF MAN-MADE GODS AND HEROES. Jesus Christ is a Pagan man-made God. The claim that Jesus Christ arose from death to live again is another Pagan based deceit. No one, not in one single instance in the history of mankind, has been truly dead for a significant time, and then been restored to life, EXCEPT IN FICTIONAL PAGANS ACCOUNTS OF MAN-MADE GODS AND HEROES. Jesus Christ is a Pagan man-made God. The Trinity concept is perhaps the greatest blasphemy one can utter or believe in. God is One, a perfect Unity, a pure Integrity, with nothing lacking, nothing needed. There is NO SON OF GOD. There can be NO SON OF GOD. micah  (Jul 18, 2011 | post #319520)

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"Lifelover " wrote: and YOU suck!! Get the hell out of our room,Darwin!! You are ruining the thread in a BIG way!Get a clue! You are chasing all of us away..We dont need your shit you bring here day after day after day after day after day after day,,,etc!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!You are wasting our time. ===== Christianity appears to turn some women into real bitches. What a sad reflection of your claimed "faith" you can be, "LifeLover ". micah  (Jul 17, 2011 | post #318844)

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The Christian idea of the messiah is that Jesus was the blood sacrifice that saves everyone from his or her sin. But who, EXACTLY died on that cross? If it was Jesus-the-god, then how can God die? If it was only Jesus-the-human, then all Christians have in the death of Jesus is a human sacrifice. And what, EXACTLY does God say about human sacrifice in the TaNaCH? In Deuteronomy, God calls Human sacrifice something that He hates, and an abomination to Him! Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the Eternal thy God: for every abomination to the Eternal, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. [Deuteronomy 12:30-31] In Jeremiah, God tells us that Human sacrifice is so horrible a concept to Him, that it did not even come into His mind! Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Eternal, that this place shall no more be called Tophet, nor The Valley of the Son of Hinnom, but The Valley of Slaughter. [Jeremiah 19:4-6] We see the same thing in Psalm 106 and in Ezekiel 16: Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood. And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood. [Psalm 106:37-38] Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter? [Ezekiel 16:20] And yet we are to then turn around and believe that God changed His mind, and required human sacrifice, and then it was the sacrifice of His own human son that God wanted? After telling the Jews to stay away from pagan practices, and pagan beliefs, God then changes His mind and says, "Okay, now go ahead and believe in a human sacrifice, just as these very pagans believe?" The Christian definition of the term, Messiah, is closer to the pagan notion of a dying/saving god or hero than to the Jewish understanding of Messiah. The ancient world is filled with examples. Mithra, Adonis, Dionysis, Attis, Ra, and many others were born in the Winter, died in the Spring, and came back to life. Along with this, they believed that their followers would not die, but have immortal life, since the death of the hero/god acted as their sacrifice for their sins. The pagan world was filled with gods who were the product of a human mother and a god for the father. Even Hercules had Zeus for a father, and a human mother. When the earliest Christians would come into the synagogues and missionize, they would get kicked out. They were not allowed to stay and preach, they were rejected, because their message was pagan, was recognized as such by the Jews, and they were removed and separated from the Jewish people as a result. This shows the real reason why Judaism and Christianity separated from each other. It also shows that one cannot be a Jew and a Christian at the same time. http://whatjewsbel ieve.org/explanati on4.html ===== micah 7888__need a six or a nine  (Jul 17, 2011 | post #318841)

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G_O_D wrote: Why are you afraid to answer a question? You post nothing relevant. You throw red herrings and dodge the truth. Where in the Hebrew scriptures or does Jesus say that God wants, approves of or needs a human sacrifice? It is the basis for all you believe yet can't even point it out. ===== "Red Apples" wrote: Jesus knew darn well who he was and what God wanted, and he said as much. Matthew 16:20-21 20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. 21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. He knew He was the Christ. Christ definition. anointed, the Greek translation of the Hebrew word rendered "Messiah " http://dictionary. reference.com/brow se/Christ ===== God hates human sacrifices. Who died on the cross? Was it Jesus-the-god, or was it Jesus-the-human? If it was Jesus-the-god, Jews don't believe that God can die. If it was Jesus-the-human, then all Christians have in the death of Jesus was a human death, a human sacrifice. Jews believe that God hates the very idea of human sacrifice. IN SHORT... What, EXACTLY does God say about human sacrifice in the TaNaCH? In Deuteronomy 12:30-31, God calls Human sacrifice something that He hates, and an abomination to Him, "for every abomination to the Eternal, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. In Jeremiah 19:4-6, God tells us that Human sacrifice is so horrible a concept to Him, that it did not even come into His mind to demand it from His creation, "They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind." We see the same thing in Psalm 106:37-38, and in Ezekiel 16:20. This means that God would not accept Jesus's death on the cross as a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. The very idea of that God would accept a human sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins is UnBiblical. http://whatjewsbel ieve.org/explanati on4.html ===== You need to get beyond the fictional words of the New Testament, John Coffey, and study the words of God, i.e. the Hebrew Bible. micah  (Jul 17, 2011 | post #318840)

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"G_O_D" wrote: Thanks! I wondered where it came from. ===== The Full Original Copy of the Serenity Prayer by Reinhold Niebuhr (1892-1971) God, give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, Courage to change the things which should be changed, and the Wisdom to distinguish the one from the other. Living one day at a time, Enjoying one moment at a time, Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace, Taking, as Jesus did, This sinful world as it is, Not as I would have it, Trusting that You will make all things right, If I surrender to Your will, So that I may be reasonably happy in this life, And supremely happy with You forever in the next. Amen.  (Jul 11, 2011 | post #317535)

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Serenity Prayer God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. (Although known most widely in its abbreviated form above, the entire prayer reads as follows...) Living one day at a time; Enjoying one moment at a time; Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; Taking, as He did, this sinful world as it is, not as I would have it; Trusting that He will make all things right if I surrender to His Will; That I may be reasonably happy in this life and supremely happy with Him Forever in the next. Amen. ===== peace micah  (Jul 11, 2011 | post #317531)

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"Senecus " wrote: Hello Micah, Indeed. Long time no "see" ,Micah, hope all is well with you. ===== I just sent you a Tmail. micah  (Jul 11, 2011 | post #317527)

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Thumper wrote: What if John hadn't intervened and disagreed with you? What lasting impression of me would you have left in the minds of all the new posters in here who haven't yet read a word from me? You're ALL about spreading hate and your real enemy is none other than Jesus Christ himself. ===== "Rider on the Storm" wrote: What if you would have kept your promise to God and quit posting on this thread when you were proven wrong like you said you would. What if you wouldnt have ridiculed a good woman to no end because of your foolish PRIDE. The world is full of what ifs Thump. The fact of the matter is RA DID intervene and you sir a liar. The new posters will discern that for themselves in short order no doubt. If I have any enemies Thump it would be with lieing fools like you. ===== ===== I believe that Thumper revealed his true purpose for posting on the WSJLM thread, and perhaps elsewhere, in his above words, when he states, "...What lasting impression of me would you have left in the minds of all the new posters in here who haven't yet read a word from me?". Thumper is only concerned with others' opinions of Thumper, and God and Christ are only tools that he uses to that end. "Thumper " is here to impress others with his words and claimed knowledge of religion and of the Bible. I, personally, DO NOT believe that anything that "Thumper " says or does on WSJLM has anything at all to do with God. "Thumper " is his own God, just as is each and every Christian. micah  (Jul 11, 2011 | post #317494)

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