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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

If that's the case, Reagan and GHWB have the weakest record against terrorism in history. Dec. 21, 1988 - A bomb destroys Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. All 259 people aboard the Boeing 747 are killed including 189 Americans, as are 11 people on the ground. April 1986 - An explosion damages a TWA flight as it prepares to land in Athens, Greece. Four people are killed when they are sucked out of the aircraft. April 5, 1986 - A bomb destroys the LaBelle discotheque in West Berlin. The disco was known to be frequented by U.S. servicemen. The attack kills one American and one German woman and wounds 150, including 44 Americans In response, on April 15 the United States retaliated in an operation dubbed ‘El Dorado Canyon.’ Approximately 100 aircraft were launched in direct support of the raid. It was an attack against military targets involving land-based bombers from Great Britain together with carrier-based air strikes from ships in the Gulf of Sidra. December 1985 - Simultaneous suicide attacks are carried out against U.S. and Israeli check-in desks at Rome and Vienna international airports. 20 people are killed in the two attacks, including four terrorists. November 1985 - Hijackers aboard an Egyptair flight kill one American. Egyptian commandos later storm the aircraft on the isle of Malta, and 60 people are killed. October 1985 - Palestinian terrorists hijack the cruise liner Achille Lauro (in response to the Israeli attack on PLO headquarters in Tunisia) Leon Klinghoffer, an elderly, wheelchair-bound American, is killed and thrown overboard. August 1985 - A car bomb at a U.S. military base in Frankfurt, Germany kills two and injures 20. A U.S. soldier murdered for his identity papers is found a day after the explosion. June 1985 - A TWA airliner is hijacked over the Mediterranean, the start of a two-week hostage ordeal. The last 39 passengers are eventually released in Damascus after being held in various locations in Beirut. June 1985 - In San Salvador, El Salvador, 13 people are killed in a machine gun attack at an outdoor café, including four U.S. Marines and two American businessmen. April 1985 - A bomb explodes in a restaurant near a U.S. air base in Madrid, Spain, killing 18, all Spaniards, and wounding 82, including 15 Americans. November 1984 - A bomb attack on the U.S. embassy in Bogota, Colombia kills a passer-by. The attack was preceded by death threats against U.S. officials by drug traffickers. October 1983 - A suicide car bomb attack against the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut kills 241 servicemen. A simultaneous attack on a French base kills 58 paratroopers. April 1983 - A suicide car bombing against the U.S. embassy in Beirut kills 63, including 17 Americans.  (Sep 4, 2008 | post #166)

Akron Beacon Journal

Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

I only see three of those that occurred on US soil.  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #161)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

"So you're saying that we DID go over there and send our troops to die, and Bush didn't even have the decency to tell them why?" Some clarity - obviously the troops weren't sent over there with the intent to have them die. But those who have, at least, should have known what it was they were dying for.  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #153)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

Aren't you the same guy who told me to basically get down on my knees and thank god for oil and how wonderful it was? So now you're saying that we've spent untold sums of money (not to mention American lives) to gird ourselves for eventual future conflicts regarding this stuff? I'm liking oil even more now. What about the myriad different explanations we were given as to why we went into Iraq? "They were responsible for 9/11", "Saddam was a bad guy", "Iraq was supplying terrorists with munitions", etc. I know many of our troops believed them - I've spoken to a few myself. So you're saying that we DID go over there and send our troops to die, and Bush didn't even have the decency to tell them why? After all, as you yourself pointed out, Bush didn't care whether it was the popular choice. So why all the lies?  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #151)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

One can only imagine how much more difficult the job is when our national priorities (and resources) shift so suddenly and inexplicably. Make no mistake - I've supported the war in Afghanistan since day one. I even wrote a column for the KSU newspaper defending it. In every way the war in Afghanistan made sense (and could be clearly and openly explained), the war in Iraq has never measured up.  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #141)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

Hillary wasn't veep, and Chelsea didn't still need a bottle. Big difference. I don't think anyone should be attacking the daughter for this, but I also haven't "fallen" for anything. The Republican party opened Palin up to this kind of scrutiny for its continued insistance on being the party of family values - especially when (as McCain insists) they knew about the daughter's pregrnancy when Palin was picked. After all, who can forget how many people on the right hammered Hillary after her tearful speech during the primaries - how as a woman she's too "emotionally fragile" or whatever to be president. I'm all for leaving experience and gender and family situation out of the debate...but that's kind of hard to do when those things are central to many of the Republicans' very criticisms of Obama or are major policy points.  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #139)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

Well which is it? Did we overthrow a tyrant who slaughtered his own people, or did we overthrow someone who was training kids to kill us? Our own government now admits there was no connection between Saddam Hussein's regime and al Quaeda. The terrorist activities he supported, while undoubtedly heinous, were focused on his remaining in power and of no threat to America. No one in their right mind is trying to argue that Saddam was a nice guy, but if the only criterion we're using for invasion is how mean a leader is, why haven't we invaded North Korea by now? What a Darfur? There's lots of mean stuff going on thereBy "we're allies" of course you mean "they sell us oil". Because, lest you forget, the vast majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. And how many of them were IraqiLOL* What? What militaryActually, we had accomplished that before even entering Iraq. Get your timeline straight; we were closer than ever to actually apprehending him when all of our national attention and resources were redirected to Iraq. And he still remains at largeWhat? We had terrorist attacks on our soil every 16-18 months? Dates and events please.  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #131)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

Well for a party that supposedly has a lock on "traditional family values" and who constantly advicates the merits of abstinence only education she's a very weak pick. No one's saying she's unqualified because of who she is, but what they showing is how quick the Republicans are to abandon their core principals in a pretty transparent grab for disaffected Hillary supporters. After all, who's going to look after that baby with Down's syndrome if mommy is working the second most powerful job in the world? I'm not for a second saying that the child will be neglected, but once again, this is the party that lives and dies by the sepia-toned photgraph of the stereotypical American family. Her selection flies directly in the face of that.  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #128)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

Well that's one person. *LOL*  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #114)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

The forums are not my friend today.  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #112)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

Man, I really wish this forum let you edit your posts. That fourth paragraph should read: "He vetted people for the reconstruction of Iraq based on their political ideology NOT on their experience. Which is why you get people like the person who was in charge of reconstructing Iraq's stock exchange - a 24-year-old with no finance experience but who had applied for a White House job."  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #111)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

Well let's see, I'll name a few I can think of off the top of my head. Well first there's No Child Left Behind, which he never adequately funded and paid people to pose as news anchors to promote. Then there's his shaky relationship with facts and definitions. In order to report that the number of wetlands increased, he changed the definition of "wetlands " to include golf course water hazards. In order to report that the military is meeting its recruiting goals, he lowered the goals. He appointed officials to the Health Department who have proposed changing the definition of "abortion " to include contraceptives. He vetted people for the reconstruction of Iraq based on their political ideology based on their experience. Which is why you get people like the person who was in charge of reconstructing Iraq's stock exchange - a 24-year-old with no finance experience but who had applied for a finance job. Then there's the war in Iraq itself, and the absolute disaster it's turned out to be. I need to specify here, becuase we're fighting three wars: the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, and the overall war on terror. I supported two of those, but not the third. Do you remember the promises made by the likes of Paul Wolfowitz(later promoted to the head of the World Bank) who said that the war would be paid for by Iraq's own oil dollars and that the overall cost to the taxpayers would be about one five-hundredth what it currently is? I could go on but I suspect there's little point.  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #110)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

Those are good principles, if fairly vague. Is there really someone out there running on a pro-corruption, pro-establishment, pro-oil addiction ticket?  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #106)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

You honestly expect me to answer for why Obama is doing what he's doing? If I had to guess, I'd say he's throwing back the exact same arguments that Republicans used against him. After all, how can the same people who railed against his own perceved inexperience do a complete about-face and nominate someone whose resume is about on par with his own. Sure, you can quibble about the difference between legislative and executive experience all you want but at the end of the day it amounts to the same thing. Personally, I don't feel experience is the biggest factor in determining the success of a president. I return to my (presently ignored) observation about the number of experienced veterans in the current Bush administration and how little insight that experience has afforded them. I understood the political leverage Obama's youth and inexperience gave the McCain camp and I wasn't at all surprised to see them hammer on it again and again. At the same time, you have to question the sincerity of their beliefs when you consider his choice of VP. As for her being deemed unqualified because she's a woman? Hardly. What idiot is saying so?  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #105)

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Delegates chant for USA at Republican convention

No, it hasn't, obviously. You can't honestly say things were all hugs and kisses before 2006?  (Sep 3, 2008 | post #97)

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