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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

Why does nobody see that I defend the right of ANY state to make their own choices about their marriage laws. Stop talking to me like I'm stating that the state of NY had no right to make that law. My point is that NY had EVERY right guaranteed to them by the 10th amendment to make and pass that law. When MS gets to vote on the issue, we will. Marriage laws are different in EVERY state because of the tenth amendment. One more time, I believe that NY had every right to make that law. I'm saying that if that woman in NY doesn't want to sign those certificates, then she should quit. The law states in NY that gays and lesbians have every right to marry.  (Jul 4, 2011 | post #606)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

It's a sad state of affairs that people don't know enough of American History and Civics that they don't know what the Constitution says.  (Jul 4, 2011 | post #595)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

I am neither ignorant or a bigot. Read the tenth amendment. It states that whatever powers are not given to the federal government belong to the states. As the states never gave the Feds the right to define marriage, the states, on a state to state basis, can make their own definition of marriage. It is extremely clear to me that I am defending the state's right to make their own definition of marriage. You don't have to call me names to try to make your point. That has no place in an open debate such as this.  (Jul 4, 2011 | post #594)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

But they don't. In MARBURY V MADISON( in lieu of italics, I use caps), John Marshall made an incorrect judgement. If he was going to make a decision based on what the constitution stated, then he would have judged in favor of Madison. What he did instead, was give us a far more centralized government, which is exactly the opposite of what the forefathers intended. Not only that, he CHANGED his opinion from just a few years earlier because he had a bone to pick with Madison. What I'm saying is that according to the tenth amendment, which is the law of the land passed by the very people who fought the War of Independence, the states, who did NOT give the feds the right to make laws regarding marriage, have the right to make that choice. It might not be right, but it's the law of the land.  (Jul 4, 2011 | post #592)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

No, debates are about opinions. For instance, the presidential debates. John McCain stated his opinion about the economy and so did Barack Obama. Debates are set up that way. One gives an opinion then tries to prove it. That's how persuasive speaking and writing works. The statements I make to prove what I write can either be accepted or not, that's your choice. Regardless of what you think about it, I have the right to give my opinion in an open forum, which is what topix is. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but that's up to you.  (Jul 4, 2011 | post #591)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

But, unfortunately, that's the law of the land. Every American citizen has the right to vote. It may be discriminatory for a person to say, "No, I don't want this," but that's their right to say that. It's even that disgusting Woodsboro(?) baptist church preacher's (I forget that quacks name) to spew his vitriol they he does. I might not like it, but the first amendment gives him that right. And the ACLU might not like what he says, but they are defending his right to do so. Sorry, went off on a tangent there. My point is, the federal government doesn't have the right to tell states how marriage should be defined. I might not like that either, but that's what the Bill of Rights guarantees the states in the tenth amendment. There are always going to be people who don't "like" gays and lesbians just like there are always going to be people who don't like minorities or anyone who is not like them. The government doesn't have the right to tell anyone what they should do with their own affairs. The government can't control thoughts. They may not always be right, but I will follow the laws of this land. One can't change laws by disobeying them.  (Jul 4, 2011 | post #589)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

Wow, I just thought of something else. What I think of this issue I irrelevant. I don't live in NY. It's not up for vote in MS. As a Mississippian, it's not my place or right to tell the folks in NY or any other state how to run their own affairs. I simply stick up for the right of NY'ers to run their business the way they see fit.  (Jul 4, 2011 | post #583)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

Whoops. Forgot to answer the other part, which I've already answered but here goes. She has two choices: she can either do her job, or she can quit and let someone else do it for her. The issue is moot anyway. She's not likely to win anymore elections with her attitude. But she did say (toward the end maybe?) that if she was forced to do it or lose her job, she would sign the applications or licenses.  (Jul 4, 2011 | post #582)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

I say again. According to the tenth amendment, states have the right to choose whether they will allow gay marriage or not. It might not be a popular view, but that's what the law allows. Anything beyond letting the states decide their own destiny is unconstitutional. That's just the way I see it. This is an issue that the voters are going to have to decide on state by state. Since the states have never given the federal government the right to define marriage, the DOMA is illegal. The federal government has NO right to define marriage.  (Jul 4, 2011 | post #580)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

No, I'm not. I'm stating my opinion in a clear, concise manner. Just because I don't say, "In my opinion," doesn't mean it's not an opinion. That's what debates are. I state my opinion, you state yours. That's all.  (Jul 4, 2011 | post #576)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

My comments are about the Sabbath, not gays and lesbians. Let me explain this. Someone got off topic and asked a question about the Sabbath in the first few pages, and I answered that question. I don't have issues with gays or lesbians. My personal opinion on this is that the states have the right to decide for themselves, according to the tenth amendment, whether they will allow gay marriage. That's why marriage laws vary from state to state. For instance, in MS, one has to have a blood test to get a marriage license and in TN, they don't have to get a blood test. Answering a question about the Sabbath Day with Scripture does not equal a problem with gays and lesbians.  (Jul 4, 2011 | post #573)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

Sure. I know, for instance, that marriage is covered under the tenth amendment which states that whatever powers that are not given to the federal gov't are under the jurisdiction of the states. That simply means that states, on a state to state basis, get to choose whether they will allow homosexual marriage. I also know that when the state votes that they want that type of marriage, they get to have that type of marriage. My comments had and have nothing to do with this topic. I was simply answering a question posted by someone else who had gotten off the topic. My personal belief on this particular topic is that, under the tenth amendment, states have the right to decide for themselves whether they will allow this marriage and that when they decide they want it, the people who five out those licenses have two choices: to do it or not. If they do not want to do their job, then they can quit. But again, my comments were off topic because a question was asked and I answered it according to the way I see it. There's no reason to get bent out of shape about it. It's not like any of these discussions stay on topic anyway. People just come on here and write any old thing they want to anyway.  (Jul 4, 2011 | post #572)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

No one is telling anyone what to believe. I simply put my opinion out there based on replies that I received. That's what people do in debates. They give their opinion as they see it. As always, it is up to you to do what you will with it. Telling me not to say something just because you don't agree or like it is unconstitutional. I have the right to express my opinion just as you do. I have respected your opinion, and I disagreed, so I made another reply. I ask that you do the same for me. But you guys have a very nice night and I'm sure I will get back to you on Tuesday as family time is near.  (Jul 3, 2011 | post #559)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

And as God gave us all free will, that is certainly your right.  (Jul 3, 2011 | post #558)

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NY clerk: I won't sign same-sex marriage licenses

Again, you don't know me or anything about me. By saying "people like me" you yourself are guilty of the very thing that you falsely accuse me of. That's called a double standard. Oh well. I don't pass judgment on people. The Bible tells me not to do that. That is reserved for someone far greater than any of us down here. And, no I didn't. Someone asked a question to which I gave an answer. That's not passing judgement. That's answering a legitimate question asked by someone in a way that was intended to give a little insight.  (Jul 3, 2011 | post #557)