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Sonofa, you are dense. She sais give me the water you speak of. The water was the message. The drinking was the acceptance. The result of faith is the HS. Jesus reply was the water=message=the proof he was the son of God. If you can't see that your delusional.  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #304)

Jehovah's Witness

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The message was the water. The drinking was the acceptance of said message. The prize of faith was the HS.  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #303)

Jehovah's Witness

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Actually the text can support the asking of the water. Look at the Greek words used and check the commentators ( you know the guys that know Greek and Hebrew) what they think is being discussed and what grammatical forms are used in the sentence. Also, I've read the account as well about that many times. Nowhere does it say that you have to come to Jesus. There is no scholarly debate EVER about what coming to Jesus meant at the festival. It was an invitation for the crowd to gather to him. That's it! Not ever was there any question in the history of exegesis a debate you can find where someone is saying that coming to Jesus here meant anything else. You can have all that holy spirit you want but the requisite was always faith and belief in Jesus.  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #302)

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John 7:37-39 Now on the last day, the great day of the festival, Jesus was standing up and he cried out, saying:“If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. He that puts faith in me, just as the Scripture has said,‘Out from his inmost part streams of living water will flow.’” However, he said this concerning the spirit which those who put faith in him were about to receive; for as yet there was no spirit, because Jesus had not yet been glorified. In this scripture Jesus is asking those to come to him and drink. It's a big festival so obviously he's asking people to gather as he's done a hundred times before. I know coming to him wasn't the requisite because in the very same verse it sais twice that it wasn't them COMING to him but having FAITH in him that was the reason for them being able to receive the spirit. Here I'm busy on this conference call http://globalchris tiancenter.com/the -holy-spirit-in-jo hn/john-7-37-39.ht ml Fill your boots.  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #300)

Jehovah's Witness

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The Evidence from John 4:13-15: Ho Pin&#333;n Equals Ho Pisteu&#333;n When Jesus evangelized the woman at the well, He used the figure of living water to refer to the saving message and the figure of drinking to refer to believing that message.<---- SEEMS YOUR ALONE IN YOUR INTERPRETATION. In v 13 Jesus used a present articular participle, ho pin&#333;n, the one who drinks, as a clear figure for ho pisteu&#333;n, the one who believes. Using Wallace’s reasoning, ho pin&#333;n must refer to a lifetime of drinking.2 Yet Jesus specifically contradicts this, and the woman shows that she understands Him to be speaking of gaining the benefit the very moment one drinks. “‘Whoever drinks [ho pin&#333;n] of this water will thirst again, but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.’ “The woman said to Him, ‘Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.’” Jesus doesn’t rebuke her understanding on the permanence of the gift. She understood Him correctly. One drink would quench her thirst forever. She would be eternally secure that very moment. What He corrected was her mistaken notion that He was speaking literally of drinking physical water.  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #298)

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Ya, one more thing as well while I'm on the subject. The Greek used in this scripture can most definitely be translated as a request or ask of the woman at the well. Look at the words and how they're used. I haven't found one bible commentary that sais she didn't ask for the water and quite a few so far that say she did.  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #297)

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No it doesn't. She wanted the waters and he gave her proof of who he was so she could in turn put her faith in him to receive the waters she wanted in the first place. First knowledge, then faith, then HS. In that order.  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #296)

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I have no problem posting the scriptures again. Jhn 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. the water that gives everlasting life. what was jesus reply? Jhn 4:15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. Jhn 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. Jhn 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: Jhn 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. Jhn 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. The woman sais give me this water. That would be the "Living Water". Now Jesus did either 2 things. 1) He gave her the Holy Spirit and we both don't believe that because as you say in John 7 he wasn't dispensing that until later. 2) He gave her the knowledge and proof of him being the Messiah, to put her faith in so that she could receive the Holy Spirit later. If this is the case then the requisite was belief and faith in him based on the knowledge of his origin. It doesn't matter how you cut it she asked for the living water's and his reply WAS NOT to come to him. It was to learn about him and to believe in him. This is said throughout the ENTIRE Bible, you cannot get around this. How many scriptures talk about faith, belief = life. If not then what was Jesus doing by his dialogue after the woman asked/demanded(who cares) the Living Water.  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #295)

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We're at an impasse when you shut your lips about an unbiblical teaching, until then, we carry on. The woman sais give me the waters you speak of. Unless the text of his reply reads NO, then I must acknowledge that he gave her what she requested. Anything else goes beyond the text.  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #291)

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Oh BUT YOU DO BELIEVE HE IS. "Gimmie Holy Spirit!" "Sure thing, here you go!, come back later when we got a sale on Living Water" You believe you put the coin in (ask) and you get the prize! (HS). Is God NOT a vending machine or is he?  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #290)

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The requisite is belief and faith in Jesus Christ as the son of God. That's what he proved to the woman at the well when she asked for the Living Waters and has nothing to do with "coming" to him in some weird way after his death. References to coming to him in scripture always are in the context of the people within his vicinity - to gather them to impart knowledge and proof about his origin. Anything else goes beyond the text.  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #289)

Jehovah's Witness

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Here let me help you out. What was Jesus reply to her STATEMENT!!!? Jhn 4:15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. "give me this water." which water? this water! Jhn 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. the water that gives everlasting life. what was jesus reply? Jhn 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. Jhn 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: Jhn 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. Jhn 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. What was his reply to her statement? What was the living waters that she told him to give her?  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #287)

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So it's your position that the Samaritan received Holy Spirit? Remember she requested he give her living water and it's up to you to prove either that he gave her Holy Spirit right then OR that living waters isn't Holy Spirit but he gave her something else. squirm but I'll make sure I keep asking the question until you answer it. WHAT DID JESUS GIVE THE WOMAN THAT ASKED FOR LIVING WATER?  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #286)

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Once again, address what Jesus reply was to the woman who wanted the water. I'll keep asking until you stop deflecting. Why don't you save me some time and just admit you can't talk about this passage because there are major issues with your exegesis in reference to the event.  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #284)

Jehovah's Witness

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Once again. Your position: waters = holy spirit What does holy spirit have to do with knowing that the woman wasn't married but had 5 husbands prior? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. My position = knowledge of Jesus being Gods son and the Messiah What does Jesus being the Messiah have to do with the woman not being married and having 5 husbands prior? EVERYTHING because no one else could have known that other than the son of God. He was proving to her who he was so she could put faith in him. Knowledge -> faith -> holy spirit  (Aug 30, 2013 | post #280)