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Why did God give the Sabbath to Only Israel

It was a prophecy pointing forward to the New Covenant. These words apply in the Christian age, as shown by the context: "(8 ) The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him." Here is foreshadowed the gathering in of the Gentiles by the gospel. And upon those who then honor the Sabbath, a blessing is pronounced. Thus the obligation of the fourth commandment extends past the crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension of Christ, to the time when His servants should preach to all nations the message of glad tidings. No such gathering of the gentiles happened in the Old CovenantThe "law" being spoken about here has to do with the old ministration of the law, that is, the entire earthly remedial system. But the Ten Commandments are outside of this Old Covenant. Genesis 2:2, 3 and Exodus 16, which discuss Sabbath-keeping as a requirement, were all before the Old Covenant was ratified by the blood of an Ox in Exodus 24Keeping the Sabbath is not being subject to the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant was a covenant made by Israel, not God. They made it "old", by keeping the commandments by works, not by faith. Notice: "But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; " (Romans 9:31, 32) Thus, it was never God's intent for Israel to keep the covenant by works. This is why it became "old". But them keeping it by faith would not have erased the rule that we are to observe the Sabbath, which is intrinsically tied to the Everlasting CovenantYes, and that Everlasting Covenant, that was ratified by the blood of Christ (Hebrews 13:20), and began in Genesis 9, is the covenant by which the Sabbath is a sign of (Exodus 31:16). So don't keep trying to hop, skip, and dance between the raindrops. Learn to accept correction. The Adventists have it right. It's something you have to deal with. It's time to lay the cards on the table, and expose your deceptions. We aren't playing games. You either get your act together, and get into line, or ship out!  (May 30, 2013 | post #971)

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iS IT WRONG TO WORSHIP GOD ON SUNDAY?

If you read Hebrews 3-4 carefully, you will carefully notice that the "rest" (katapausis) being spoken about, existed for the Israelites in the Old Testament. So this "rest" in Christ existed in the Old Testament as well. But in no way did this "rest" ecplise the Sabbath. For Paul is clear, there "remains, therefore, a sabbatismos to the people of God" (Heb. 4:9) In other words, what is Paul's point? Paul's point is that the Hebrews failed to enter into that eternal rest into Christ, even though it was given to them. Therefore, there Sabbath keeping was in vain to them. Only those who are truly resting in their Redeemer, can keep the Sabbath. For the Sabbath is a SYMBOL or an EXPRESSION of our eternal rest in Christ Jesus, which has always existed in the Old Testament. It says, "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them." (Heb 4:2). Paul uses a very similar argument with Baptism in Romans 6. He states, "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Romans 6:3, 4) Let us raise the question: Because Paul is stating that we are "baptized into Jesus Christ", and that we are "buried with him by baptism into death", does this mean that Paul's spiritual application of Baptism is somehow "eclipsing " or "erasing " the physical requirement of water baptism? Of course not. Like Paul is illustrating Baptism as a symbol of our death, burial, and resurrection (or rebirth experience) in Christ Jesus, and a severing of life from the flesh, likewise, Paul is illustrating the Seventh-Day Sabbath, as a symbol of our rest in Christ Jesus. The Sabbath rest will ALWAYS be a symbol of our eternal, and perpetual rest. We rest once a week from our labors, to REMIND us of that eternal spiritual rest we are continuously to keep in Christ. This is what the world FAILS to ascertain. And I pray that they do not get it when it is too late, because if they keep resisting the Sabbath truth, they will be in for a RUDE awakening! We are NOT playing games!  (May 12, 2013 | post #1702)

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iS IT WRONG TO WORSHIP GOD ON SUNDAY?

I count the word "sin/sinned " 8 times as being imputed on someone by God in the book of Genesis, before the book of Exodus. I also find that Abraham Abraham "obeyed God's voice, and kept His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws." (Gen. 26:4) What is sin? Scriptures define it plainly for us: "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4). "For by the law is the knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:20). "I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet" (Romans 7:7). "For where no law is, there is no transgression " (Romans 4:15). "But sin is not imputed when there is no law" (Romans 5:13). "The strength of sin is the law" (1 Corinthians 15:56). One of the plainest doctrines of the New Covenant is that "sin is the transgression of the law" of the Ten Commandments. After all, it was the law which said, "Thou shalt not covet" (Romans 7:7), an expression the apostle could have derived only from the Ten Commandments. Therefore, your twist on Romans 5:13-14 is nothing but mental gymnastics that fails to ascertain Paul's message. "Death reigned from Adam to Moses." That does not imply that dead did not reign just as much afterwards. But the point is that Moses stands for the giving of the law; "for the law was given by Moses." John 1:17. Now since death reigns through sin, and sin is not imputed when there is no law, it is evident from the statement that "death reigned from Adam to Moses," that the law was in the world just as much before Sinai as it was afterwards. The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law." (1 Cor 15:56). There can be no sin imputed when there is no law, as the statement itself plainly states, but whenever there is sin, there death reigns. You cannot have the Scriptures contradict itself, as you have so atrociously allowed it to. And you will not be held guiltless for this inhumane butcheryIsaiah 56 testifies against you. Mark 2:27 testifies against you. Genesis 2:2, 3 testifies against you. The Sabbath is intrinsically tied to the Everlasting Covenant. The Everlasting Covenant was established in Genesis, and was ratified by the blood of Christ in Hebrews 13:21. All the covenants given to mankind and Israel were "gradual reintroductions " of the Everlasting Covenant, and the Sabbath was yet another step in bringing God's people back into harmony with Him. And it was Israel's duty to take these covenant blessings to the world. But they failed. But the Sabbath is still the sign of those who believe God created them. Those who break the Sabbath, are PAGANS, and liars. They are DEFAMERS against the Most High God, and atheists at best.  (May 12, 2013 | post #1701)

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iS IT WRONG TO WORSHIP GOD ON SUNDAY?

O'RLLY? Is that like saying, there was a reason that Beastiality or Homosexuality weren't "forbidden " between Adam and Moses either? Is that like saying "coveting " was not forbidden either? Drop the nonsense, and learn to ACCEPT that a commandment does not need to be MENTIONED in order for someone with gray matter between their ears to recognize its PREVIOUS EXISTENCE! Quit acting like a child, GET in line, and SNAP out of this stupidity. In the day of Judgment, God will not accept this FOOLISH excuse of yours. And if you continue to hold on to it, YOU WILL BE LOST. The RETRIBUTIVE judgments of God will be upon those who DARED trample His Sabbath WILLFULLY. And it will be VENGEANCE on His part. For DARING to SMASH His Holy Sabbath. Mark my words. You will seeBird-chirpin gibberish. Read Acts 15 carefully, and you will note that James and the council started out the Gentiles slowly, but, "For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day." (Acts 15:21). So the Sabbath was very much part of the equation for Gentiles. We also find Gentiles keeping the Sabbath in Isaiah 56. That chapter alone is single-handedly the most lethal blow against your spurious, Baal-Worshiping theology. So who is the buffoon here? It's you AngelFire, and nobody elseMore baal-worshiping, sun-dial dreaming, hermetic dragon, quarter-truth artistry, that makes a good show of circus-ride amusement theology, FILLED to the brim with semantic jugglery! You see, "their fathers"--Abr aham, Isaac, and Jacob--were "commanded " to keep the Sabbath. This we find in Jeremiah 17:22: "But hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers." Then in Numbers 20:15 we read, "Our fathers went down into Egypt." That was centuries before the giving of the law on Sinai and proves that the Sabbath was observed from the time "it was made for man". :) Your problem is that you think that the Sabbath and the "covenant " are the same. NOPE! They are not my friend! The Covenant was ratified by the blood of an Ox in Exodus 24. The Sabbath was given as a test in Exodus 16. The language of Exodus 16 recognizes the "law" as already in "existence " before they reached Sinai. "To see if they will walk in my law or no"---is EXPLICIT language, recognizing the EXISTENCE of God's Law AND the Sabbath, PRIOR to the giving of the Old Covenant in Exodus 24. So nice try once again, but TOUGH TURDS, because once again, as always, EPIC FAIL! XD  (May 12, 2013 | post #1699)

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iS IT WRONG TO WORSHIP GOD ON SUNDAY?

Oh really? Let's see: "And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath" (Mark 2:27) We see that the Sabbath was made for who? For mankind's rest. When did this "making" of the "Sabbath " transpire? "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Genesis 2:2, 3) It was made at Creation Week we see. And which man existed in Genesis 2:2, 3? Why, Adam and Eve were the only "mankind " in existence, so the "mankind " the Sabbath was "made for" in Mark 2:27, must have been Adam and Eve. :) As simple as that, buddy boyee!!! :) But you may say, "It was not called the Sabbath day in Genesis 2". Oh O'RLLY? To this we would mention that Genesis 2:3 says, "God blessed the seventh day." And Exodus 20:11, speaking of this event, says, "The Lord blessed the sabbath day." So the Lord says it was the Sabbath da that He blessed. Thus He calls the seventh day of Genesis 2:3 "the sabbath day." The Hebrew word "sabbath " means "rest." It was the Lord's rest day from the time He rested on the seventh day of the creation week. So the Bible does call the seventh day the Sabbath day. :) So nice try AngelFire, but EPIC FAIL ONCE AGAIIN!! XD  (May 12, 2013 | post #1698)

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iS IT WRONG TO WORSHIP GOD ON SUNDAY?

According to the rules being employed by most Dispensationalist Christians concerning the phrases "made known" and "added"- -I propose that if they are going to be consistent, they would need to conclude that because God did not make himself known to Israel until they were dwelling in the land of Egypt according to Ezekiel 20:5, this means that God must not have made himself known to Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Noah, Methuselah, Seth, Abel, and even Adam! This would mean that these patriarchs were not required to have faith in God! AngelFire (continued), Another reason why "adding" the law cannot mean that it was not meant to be kept prior to Sinai is illustrated well in the "new commandments" Jesus gave. In John 13:34 Jesus said "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." Yet we see that this commandment existed as a requirement in the time of Moses in Leviticus 19:18 which says "but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Jesus was revealing a commandment that had been forgotten, and it was "new" to that generation. In the same way that Christ gave His disciples a "new commandment" is the same way that God "added" His laws at Sinai. Adding (making known) or codifying their existence to a certain generation does not disqualify their prior existence, or the requirement to keep them. I will be dealing with each one of the rest of your passages in great exegetical detail, demolishing your perfidious Baal-Worshiping theology, from top to bottom.  (May 12, 2013 | post #1696)

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iS IT WRONG TO WORSHIP GOD ON SUNDAY?

No, AngelFire, you are wrong in your interpretation of this passage! Learn to accept CORRECTION! And SUBMIT. Now many Christians use Nehemiah 9:14 as a contention to prove that the Sabbath "was not known until Moses." Let's quote the verse: "And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant." (Nehemiah 9:14) First off, the phraseology "madest known" cannot not mean that the requirement to obey these laws did not exist prior to Moses. The proof of this fact is within the context of Nehemiah 9. Let's quote the verse just prior, verse 13: "Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant." (Nehemiah 9:13,14) As we can clearly see, the context here has to do with what was given at Mount Sinai. But as shown elsewhere, the Sabbath and Laws were expected by God to be kept in Exodus 16, prior to their arrival at Mount Sinai (See Exodus 16:23-30). But assuming Moses had not mentioned anything about these laws prior to Sinai, the "making known" does not presuppose that they did not exist prior to Sinai. Common sense plainly reveals that putting other gods before Jehovah, making graven images, not taking God's name in vain, honoring your parents, not killing, not committing adultery, not stealing, not bearing false witness, and not coveting are foundational moral principles that existed in God's Moral Law--even though they may have not been "explicitly stated". Regarding the Sabbath, if anyone questions it as a requirement prior to Exodus 16, all one has to do is read the 4th commandment itself in Exodus 20:8-12 which reveals its sacredness prior to Sinai in the very word "remember ", and in describing the reason for keeping it: "FOR in six days the Lord made heaven and earth..." Finally, and conclusively, we can remove ALL speculation concerning what "making known" means in Nehemiah 9:13. In Ezekiel 20:5 we read: "I chose Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house of Jacob, and MADE MYSELF KNOWN UNTO THEM in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying, I am the Lord your God." (Ezekiel 20:5) The Lord said He made Himself known unto them! Whoa, lets hang on here for a moment! Does this mean that the Lord has no existence until that time? Does this mean that no Israelites or any of their fathers realized their need to obey God? Of course not! And if this does not mean that the Lord had no existence until then, why should it be thought that the law and the Sabbath had no existence before Sinai simply because Nehemiah said, "thou ... madest known unto them thy holy sabbath"?  (May 12, 2013 | post #1695)

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List of More Than 500 Sabbath Keeping Churches

No AngelFire, You cannot go to heaven, and willfully violate any commandment. The 4th commandment, that is encoded in the Decalogue as the largest of all 10 commandments, must be kept forever. The notion that you keep every day is absolutely ludicrous. Don't dance between the raindrops, and try to get out of it. You're not keeping any day, if you keep them all. Might as well say, "this is how I live my life". It's not "rest", because rest comes after some sort of labor.  (May 12, 2013 | post #1734)

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Exposing Shadrach's BOGUS "Earthly Millennium"

I think you've made one too many.  (May 12, 2013 | post #53)

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Exposing Shadrach's BOGUS "Earthly Millennium"

Jersey, Isa 11:4, 6-9 is referring to the earth made new, based on the fact that the same language is being. Going to Isaiah 11, let us notice that Isa 65:17-25 (regarding the animals grazing together with the child, etc.) is practically a duplicate of Isa 11:6-9, except in chapter 65 he adds more details identifying it with the "New Heaven", and "New Earth". So, Isa 65:7-25, is a repeat of Isa 11:4, 6-9. The meek will not inherit the earth until after the saints return with the New Jerusalem, at the Third Coming--not for salvation, but to hold the final judgment of the wicked. Therefore, we see that John the Revelator basically extracts these elements and applies them to the end of the Millennium in Revelation 21. That is really all that is going on here, if you really think about it. When you close your eyes, and sit back, this grand plan of salvation will begin to make a whole lot of sense. You cannot read the Old Testament without the New Testament being its expositor. The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed, and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed! It does not mean that the Old Testament prophecies have failed, it just means that they are now re-applied in a greater, antitypical fulfillment. Remember, Isaiah lived PRIOR to Israel's 70 year captivity, about 200 years before. It was God's plan that Israel would have a second chance after its captivity, and fulfill these words to the T. But these promises were conditional upon obedience. But since God's promises never fail, He will take those same promises and make them better and give it to those who TRULY live up to His word, Obey Him, Keep His commandments, and take the 3 Angel's Messages of Salvation to the world! An excellent study I recommend: When Will Isaiah 11:6-9 Be Fulfilled? https://www.minist rymagazine.org/arc hive/1961/06/when- will-isaiah-11:6-9 -be-fulfilled With this in mind, it is fallacy to conclude that many of the Old Testament prophecies pertaining to local Israel, would be fulfilled in their exact detailed descriptions. Since Israel failed to live up to the Covenant Promises, these prophecies have been redefined for the Church--which includes Jews and Gentiles alike. Jeremiah 18 provides a decisive blow to the notion that prophecies concerning Israel are not conditional, and cannot be redefined: "(1) The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, (2) Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. (3) Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. (4) And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. (5) Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, (6) O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. (7) At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; (8) If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. (9) And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; (10) If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them." (Jeremiah 18:1-10) The sad drama to this story is that, the Old Testament prophecies that were framed and moulded by God for Ancient Israel, will no longer go to them, for Christ declared "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. " (Matthew 23:38), and "The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation [the Church] bringing forth the fruits thereof." (Matt 21:43) Therefore, these typological prophecies, such as Zech. 14, are to be redefined antitypically, to the Remnant Church, in reflection with the New Jerusalem.  (May 12, 2013 | post #51)

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Exposing Shadrach's BOGUS "Earthly Millennium"

If this is the case, then you are in disagreement with the majority of your dispensational, pre-trib rapture brethren. They all believe that wicked people will enter the millennium, and that this is why we "reign" over the wicked. But we know that reigning does not mean reigning over people, or wicked, for if this were true, then what does it mean in context of the earth made new, post-millennially, when it states, "they [the saints] shall reign for ever and ever" in Revelation 22:5I will give you my fair assessment of this passage in the next post. But keep in mind, this is referring to the earth made new. Nothing more, nothing less. There will be children in the earth made new, because all those children that were saved prior to the millennium, will continue to grow after the millennium.  (May 12, 2013 | post #50)

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Can Heavenly Millennium be PROVEN? Biblically?

The problem with the dispensational ideology of most Christians today: In their skewed lenses of Jesuit-Psuedepigra phal prophetic interpretation that we hear from the majority of prophecy teachers today, type always ends up reverting back to type, local always ends up reverting back to local, and literal always ends up reverting back to literal. Yet God's Word is clear. The Old Testament is the New Testament Concealed, while the New Testament is the Old Testament Revealed. The New Testament is the expositor of the Old Testament. The New Testament defines the Antitypes of Old Testament Types. Literal Israel and Literal Babylon served as types for the future world-wide and global Spiritual Babylon vs. Spiritual Israel, as clearly delineated in Revelation. If Babylon is Spiritual, so is its counterpart. Unless we choose to violate hermeneutics, and pit Spiritual Babylon vs. Literal Israel in Palestine. Types always point forward to Antitypes. Local always points forward to Global. Literal always points forward to Spiritual. Break these rules, and we will make MASSIVE theological and eschatological shipwreck our faith.  (May 12, 2013 | post #484)

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Can Heavenly Millennium be PROVEN? Biblically?

Jersey, It is important to realize that the New Testament employs itself as the antitype of Old Testament types. This means that the New Testament employs itself as the focal point in fulfillment of Old Testament patterns. Exodus 25:9-40 describes on how the Sanctuary materials were made after a pattern, and the Hebrew for pattern is "tabniyth ", and it means a form, plan, figure, image--equivalent to "tupos" in the Greek. In Hebrews 8:5 the sanctuary was an "example " and "shadow" of heavenly things. In Greek, the word for “example” is "hupadeigma ", which means an "example, an imitation, a figure, a copy", and the word for shadow is "skia" means an "image cast by an object and representing the form of that object." These words are very similar to "tupos" and "antitupos ". So in essence, the Mosaic sanctuary was a pattern, a miniature model, a type of heavenly things. With this in mind, it becomes clear that the local and literal settings of the land of Palestine, Jerusalem, the Temple, and the Jews, were a type of the worldwide saints with the Heavenly Jerusalem being the capital of the saints. The saints of the New Covenant make up the spiritual Davidic Sanctuary, and the New Testament Saints come to God through the Priestly Ministry of Christ in the Heavenly Sanctuary--the Antitypical interpretation shows that the literal settings of Ancient Israel served as a Type, or a Pattern, of worldwide Spiritual Israel. If all these earthly types now transferred to the heavenly antitype, then it only goes to serve that circumcision, which was a shadowy type of severing the life of flesh now finds its antitypical reality through the severing of the sinful flesh in Christ Jesus---the sinful flesh to transgress against God's Moral Law. The entire Old Testament and it sanctuary services, served as a Type that pointed forward to Christ's High Priestly Ministration in the Heavenly Sanctuary in the New Covenant. Old Covenant Types: - Ancient Local Literal Israel (Caretakers: Jewish Nation) - Old Jerusalem - Earthly Sanctuary - Earthly Mosaic Priesthood - Earthly Ark of the Covenant - Earthly Testimony (Ten Commandments) - Literal Animal Sacrifices - Literal Circumcision of the foreskin - Literal Festivals/Annual Sabbaths connected with the Earthly Temple/Sanctuary New Covenant Antitypes: - Modern Worldwide Spiritual Israel (Caretakers: The true remnant faithful--the Church--includes Jews and Gentiles alike) - New Jerusalem - Heavenly Sanctuary - Heavenly Melchizedek Priesthood - Christ our High Priest - Heavenly Ark of the Covenant - Heavenly Testimony (Ten Commandments contained therein) - Spiritual Sacrifices (death to self) - Spiritual Circumcision of the sinful heart and of the flesh - Spiritual Festivals /Annual Sabbaths connected with the Heavenly Temple/Sanctuary The principles of Salvation are the same. Transgression of God's law is sin. Only the earthly remedial system (a law in place to deal with the problem of sin against the moral law contained in the ark) has been abolished, to be replaced by Christ's heavenly remedial system. The entire Old Testament and its sanctuary types serves as a blueprint in understanding the great plan of salvation for mankind, and the great controversy between good and evil that would ensue all the way up until the consummation of all things.  (May 12, 2013 | post #483)

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Can Heavenly Millennium be PROVEN? Biblically?

It is referring to the City on Earth, the New Jerusalem, after it comes down from heaven. Remember, these Old Testament prophets are speaking in "typological local, Old Testament language". John the Revelator came along and REDEFINED these Old Testament Types, and gave them an Antitypical Realization. All the Old Testament prophecies pertaining to Literal Israel and Old Jerusalem in Palestine, have now been redefined to Spiritual Israel and the New Jerusalem, after it comes down from heaven.  (May 12, 2013 | post #482)

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Can Heavenly Millennium be PROVEN? Biblically?

If you were to read Zephaniah 1 in chronological order, you will surely come to the conclusion that there may be people left on the earth. But, you fail to recognize that Zephaniah, like Revelation, is not written in chronological order. Rather, there is repetition, a backing up, an elaboration, a repetition, a backing up, and an elaboration. This can be proven by the further verses, which conclude chapter 1: "(14) The GREAT DAY OF THE LORD IS NEAR, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. (15) That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of WASTENESS and DESOLATION, a day of DARKNESS and GLOOMINESS, a day of clouds and thick darkness, (16) A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. (17) And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and THEIR FLESH AS THE DUNG. (18) Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the WHOLE LAND SHALL BE DEVOURED BY THE FIRE OF HIS JEALOUSY: for he shall make even a SPEEDY RIDDANCE OF ALL THEM THAT DWELL IN THE LAND" (Zepheniah 1:14-18) Thus, brother, you must apply exegesis. The Adventist understanding of the Millennium is impregnable. It is without flaw. Trust me, after studying the millennium now for 15 years. ;) Now notice the fallacy you commit nextBut this is not referring to the millennium brother. But before the millennium. It is simply "going back", and repeating, and filling in more details. If you apply this same rule to the book of Revelation, you must conclude that there will be Three Lakes of Fires, and Three Resurrections of the Wicked, and Three Times that the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven. But what John is doing is repeating, and enlarging, backing up, filling in, repeating, and enlarging. It is written also, in conjunction with that, in a chiasm, with many mini-chiasims within a larger chaism. (Continued...)  (May 12, 2013 | post #481)