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Bill says no abortion if there's a heartbeat | The Columb...

When abortion apostles perform their tap dance on a semantic pinhead about the use of the word "baby," their La La Land intransigence further helps to discredit their grim cause. In the real world, more and more women are seeing the babies in their wombs, and they have no trouble naming what they're seeing: babies. "As many as 8 of 10 women who view ultrasounds [ http://video.googl e.com/videoplay?do cid=16556428642816 78518# ] and view the heartbeat of their child change their minds about abortion. . . Abortion facilities don't want women to make that maternal connection because then they lose money if the woman chooses life. . . Almost all the women walking in to have an abortion think it's a baby; when they ask you questions, they say, 'What about my baby?' They call it a baby, but the clinic workers are not going to respond in that same kind of language." http://www.blip.tv /file/3372786 -- Interview with Abby Johnson http://liveaction. org/blog/the-power -of-a-portrait/ -- The power of a portrait  (Mar 12, 2011 | post #972)

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Bill says no abortion if there's a heartbeat | The Columb...

Contrast their movement-discredit ing behavior (thanks, kids, for helping make the case against taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood) with the behavior of the vastly greater number of young people every year at the March for Life: http://www.youtube .com/watch?v=8knMY K-IX4U  (Mar 12, 2011 | post #971)

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Lawmakers See Fetus Ultrasounds During 'Heartbeat' Bill H...

Abortion clinic says "a lot of doctors aren't pro-choice" -- http://www.youtube .com/watch?v=mOaOi Y1ODp8&feature =player_embedded Live Action investigator: "Why do you [Kentucky] have only one [abortion clinic]?" Abortion "counselor " [EMW Women's Surgical Center, Louisville, Kentucky]: "Just, you know most doctors don't want to do it." Live Action investigator: "Why not?" Abortion "counselor ": "Well 'cuz a lot of doctors don't, aren't pro-choice. So it's very hard to find a doctor, you know, that will do abortions. You know, mean--just, a lot of doctors, you know, don't, they're not pro-choice, they don't believe in it, and so they don't do the procedure, and they don't have to." Most doctors refuse to do abortions because they take the [original] Hippocratic Oath seriously: "...I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion. With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art." The vast majority of doctors know abortion isn't "health care" because killing isn't healing.  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #1015)

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Bill says no abortion if there's a heartbeat | The Columb...

68, you say? Well, that explains it. I think "A. F. (A Former) Christian" saw Cherry at a recent pro-abort rally. A. F. Christian writes, "Now, let's begin by noticing that there *is* such a thing as an Atheist position on abortion -- namely, that just about every Bright in history or currently in print is in favor of it. At first, I have to admit, I didn't quite get why everybody should be so North-Korean-elect ion lopsided about this. After all, we Atheists are supposed to be Freethinkers . . . . You can scour almost all contemporary works on our side and find not a molecule of difference on the question of the morality of abortion. ". . . unfortunately for us guys who want to protect the so-called right to abortion at all costs, those pro-life rallies on the Mall every January are *nothing* like the rallies that the pro-abortion people stage. You know those *other* rallies, I'm sure -- the ones full of grim ladies well past aborting age, marching with coat hangers as their emblems, yelling about their "right" to end the pregnancies they'll never have again. "No, the pro-lifers and *their* rallies are a different world altogether. There are children, families, and teenagers *everywhere*. There are kids playing Frisbee. Kids holding hands. Kids horsing around and shoving each other. Kids with earrings and tattoos. Kids with rosaries. Kids wearing T-shirts that read, 'I'm adopted and thanks, Mom, for having me.' Kids, kids, kids, kids, *kids* -- are You getting the horrible drift here? It's more like a rave or rock concert than an ordinary political event -- I mean, it *would* be, only the kids are a lot more healthy-looking and there aren't any drugs, of course. "I cannot emphasize enough how *seriously bad* it is for us Atheists that the face of the pro-life movement is a *youthful* face. . . . ". . .When *those* kids look at those pictures at the rallies, they don't see what nonbelievers see -- a mistake of Nature 'fixed' somehow by violent human intervention. No, they see something else -- what their baby sister looked like four years ago on the sonogram, what they themselves were not very long ago. They see themselves. They see their friends. They see their *siblings*. . . . "Sonography: How can we Atheists get rid of it? Or at least make it harder to get at? It's been nothing less than one big conveyer belt to that old debbil, the Christian moral high ground, ever since its diabolical, as it were, invention." The Loser Letters: A Comic Tale of Life, Death, and Atheism -- http://www.amazon. com/Loser-Letters- Mary-Eberstadt/dp/ 1586174312/ref=sr_ 1_1?ie=UTF8&s= books&qid=1273 591858&sr=1-1  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #926)

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Bill says no abortion if there's a heartbeat | The Columb...

They're hoping their combined total of 68,771 posts (can you spell "Topix addiction," children?) earns them dinner with NARAL President Nancy Keenan. They can buy Nancy a lot of stiff drinks to assuage her pain. " The group [NARAL] just released survey results showing an “intensity gap” among young voters. More than half of pro-lifers under age 30 considered abortion a “very important” voting issue, compared to just one-quarter of abortion-minded youth. This comes at the heels of a Gallup poll announcing that 18- to 29-year-olds are now the most likely, of all age groups, to favor making abortion illegal in all circumstances. "The wave of pro-life passion puzzles NARAL President Nancy Keenan. In this week’s Newsweek [ http://www.lifeiss ues.org/breakingne ws/2010/Newsweek_R oe.pdf ] magazine, Keenan recalled her visit to the March for Life rally in Washington, DC. The annual event drew tens of thousands of energized pro-lifers. “I just thought, my gosh, they are so young,” she told the reporter. “There are so many of them, and they are so young.” "Pro-abortion activists aren’t accustomed to seeing so many young people in their circles. A natural outshoot of choosing a line of work that promotes death. But like most other aging abortion proponents, Keenan can’t seem to connect the dots. Where, they marvel, have all their young supporters gone? Former NARAL President Kate Michelman admits information is on the side of pro-lifers. “The technology has clearly helped to define how people think about a fetus as a full, breathing human being,” she told Newsweek. “The other side has been able to use the technology to its own end.”  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #924)

Abortion

Bill says no abortion if there's a heartbeat | The Columb...

Who's annoyed? I just quoted verbatim Abby Johnson's epiphany from her autobiography. Of course, I also have no objections to further spurring sales of a great book that, two months after its release, continues to hold its #1 rank on the "Abortion and Birth Control" Amazon.com nonfiction list. And why do you suppose the top-ranked pro-abort autobiography on that list [ http://www.amazon. com/gp/bestsellers /books/271632011/r ef=pd_zg_hrsr_b_1_ 4_last ] stumbles in at #15? "Great Moments in My Baby-Exterminating Abortionist Career" is selling about as poorly as pro-aborts' shopworn slogans these days.  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #917)

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Bill says no abortion if there's a heartbeat | The Columb...

Good for you Ohio pro-lifers. NARAL abominates your state, too. Minnesota gets only a tepid C+ from NARAL, not bad at all considering Democrats have been the majority in the state Senate from 1974 until January 2011. Even in all those years, pro-lifers (including some Minnesota Democrat legislators with consciences) have managed to pass: ** the Minnesota Women's Right to Know law: http://www.health. state.mn.us/wrtk/h andbook.html ** the Minnesota Positive Alternatives Program: http://www.health. state.mn.us/divs/c fh/paa/  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #912)

Abortion

Bill says no abortion if there's a heartbeat | The Columb...

Her story is compelling, which explains her book's ranking as #1 on Amazon.com's "Abortion and Birth Control" nonfiction list two months after its release date: http://www.amazon. com/gp/bestsellers /books/271632011/r ef=pd_zg_hrsr_b_1_ 4_last "Unplanned: The Dramatic True Story of a Former Planned Parenthood Leader's Eye-Opening Journey across the Life Line" -- http://www.amazon. com/Unplanned-Dram atic-Planned-Paren thood-Eye-Opening/ dp/1414339399 ] . . . 'It's a good learning experience -- I've never seen an ultrasound-guided abortion before (To my knowledge, we'd never done ultrasound-guided abortions at our facility),' I told myself. 'Maybe this will help me when I counsel women. I'll learn firsthand about this safer procedure. Besides, it will be over in just a few minutes.' . . .I was expecting to see what I had seen in past ultrasounds . . . a leg, or the head, or some partial image of the torso. . . But this time, the picture was complete. I could see the entire, perfect profile of a baby. 'It looks just like Grace at 12 weeks,' I thought, surprised, remembering my very first peek at my daughter, three years before, snuggled securely inside my womb. . . The detail startled me. I could clearly see the profile of the head, both arms, legs, and even tiny fingers and toes. Perfect. . . . I watched as a new image entered the video screen. The cannula -- a straw-shaped instrument attached to the end of the suction tube -- had been inserted into the uterus and was nearing the baby's side. . . At first, the baby didn't seem aware of the cannula. It gently probed the baby's side, and for a quick second I felt relief. 'Of course,' I thought. 'The fetus doesn't feel pain.' I had reassured countless women of this as I'd been taught by Planned Parenthood. 'The fetal tissue feels nothing as it is removed. Get a grip, Abby. This is a simple, quick medical procedure.' . . . The next movement was the sudden jerk of a tiny foot as the baby started kicking . . . As the cannula pressed its side, the baby began struggling to turn and twist away. It seemed clear to me that it could feel the cannula, and it did not like what it was feeling. And then the doctor's voice broke through, startling me. "Beam me up, Scotty," he said lightheartedly to the nurse. He was telling her to turn on the suction -- in an abortion the suction isn't turned on until the doctor feels he has the cannula in exactly the right place. . . . The cannula was already being rotated by the doctor, and now I could see the tiny body violently twisting with it. For the briefest moment the baby looked as if it were being wrung like a dishcloth, twirled and squeezed. And then it crumpled and began disappearing into the cannula before my eyes. The last thing I saw was the tiny, perfectly formed backbone sucked into the tube, and then it was gone. And the uterus was empty. Totally empty. . . . The image of the tiny body, mangled and sucked away, was replaying in my mind, and with it the image of Grace's first ultrasound -- how she'd been about the same size. . . . And now it hit me like a lightning bolt: 'What was in this woman's womb just a moment ago was alive. It wasn't just tissue, just cells. It was a human baby. And it was fighting for its life! A battle it lost in the blink of an eye. What I have told people for years, what I've believed and taught and defended, is a lie.'  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #909)

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Bill says no abortion if there's a heartbeat | The Columb...

As long as pregnant women have the good sense to stay out of Pennsylvania "legal" abortuaries, they'll do just fine, thank you. With all your hyperbolic "Forced Birther" and "women will die" wretched rhetorical excess, you of all people should be worried, Cherry. The prospects of babies getting wantonly exterminated (which pro-aborts in the Chicago YouTube video were celebrating: "abortion on demand, at any time") are especially bleak in your state, where the pro-life majority just elected a pro-life governor, a pro-life U.S. Senator, 15 of 19 pro-life Representatives, and a pro-life majority in the state assembly [ http://www.pafamil y.org/pafamilycoun cil.php ]. You used to have -- before the ignominious pro-abort wipeouts on Election Day -- "Philadelphia , PA" appended to your Topix picture. Now you're too thin-skinned to identify your pro-life state, which has just been awarded a big red F by NARAL for limiting abortion on demand. We're sure pro-abort minority misery loves company. Your NARAL-anathematize d state surely has a lot of it. States receiving a NARAL grade of F: Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia NARAL Report Gives America D Grade For Limiting Abortions -- http://www.lifenew s.com/2011/01/14/n aral-report-gives- america-d-grade-fo r-limiting-abortio ns/  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #901)

Abortion

Bill says no abortion if there's a heartbeat | The Columb...

Behold the solipsistic, ethically barren, profane, slogan-spouting coarseness of pro-aborts on parade: http://www.youtube .com/watch?v=L6d4O mLnLGc&feature =player_embedded -- Walk for Choice: Rally for Planned Parenthood, Chicago, Feb. 27, 2011 And pro-aborts wonder why they're getting waxed in public-opinion polls, state legislatures, and the courts. Rock on, little Philistines. You continue to be your waning movement's worst enemies. Don't ever think we pro-lifers aren't grateful for your tin-eared crudity.  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #894)

Abortion

Bill says no abortion if there's a heartbeat | The Columb...

Don't be preaching at us pro-lifers. You need to broadcast your all's-well-in-Abor tionville bromides to the dispirited pro-abort leaders. They're not remotely close to being as sanguine about the future of pro-abortism as you plucky little Topix pro-aborts are. ** Nancy Keenan, President of NARAL: “it sometimes gets lost how truly numerically challenged we are.” ** NARAL President Nancy Keenan addressing a pro-choice audience at the University of Texas (Jan. 17, 2008): "Let’s be honest: Roe today is a shell of its former self. Yes, we won 35 years ago—but women have been losing ground, losing rights, losing options, losing access, losing availability, and just plain losing nearly every day since. "The numbers don’t lie. Since 1995, American politicians have passed more than 550 laws [it's about 650 at this point: http://www.guttmac her.org/statecente r/spibs/spib_OAL.p df ] limiting women’s reproductive freedom. In nearly 90 percent of the counties across America, there is no access to abortion because there is no abortion provider." ** Frances Kissling, former president of "Catholics for a Free Choice" and Kate Michelman, former NARAL president: "Twenty years ago, being pro-life was déclassé. Now it is a respectable point of view. . . . "Science facilitated the swing of the pendulum. Three-dimensional ultrasound images of babies in utero began to grace the family fridge. Fetuses underwent surgery. More premature babies survived and were healthier. They commanded our attention, and the question of what we owe them, if anything, could not be dismissed. . . . "Advocates of choice have had a hard time dealing with the increased visibility of the fetus. The preferred strategy is still to ignore it and try to shift the conversation back to women. At times, this makes us appear insensitive, a bit too pragmatic in a world where the desire to live more communitarian and "life-affirmi ng" lives is palpable. To some people, pro-choice values seem to have been unaffected by the desire to save the whales and the trees, to respect animal life and to end violence at all levels. Pope John Paul II got that, and coined the term "culture of life." President Bush adopted it, and the slogan, as much as it pains us to admit it, moved some hearts and minds. Supporting abortion is tough to fit into this package. . . . "In recent years, the antiabortion movement successfully put the nitty-gritty details of abortion procedures on public display, increasing the belief that abortion is serious business and that some societal involvement is appropriate. Those who are pro-choice have not convinced America that we support a public discussion of the moral dimensions of abortion." Get to work where your blithe blandishments are most needed, Chicky. Fear and loathing are running rampant in Big Abortion's headquarters.  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #893)

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Bill says no abortion if there's a heartbeat | The Columb...

and anyone else with a functioning conscience, like atheist Nat Hentoff, long-time columnist for the Village Voice. "... Nearly ten years ago [1986] I declared myself a pro-lifer [ http://groups.csai l.mit.edu/mac/user s/rauch/nvp/consis tent/indivisible.h tml ]. A Jewish, atheist, civil libertarian, left-wing pro-lifer. Immediately, three women editors at The Village Voice, my New York base, stopped speaking to me. Not long after, I was invited to speak on this startling heresy at Nazareth College in Rochester (long since a secular institution). Two weeks before the lecture, it was canceled. The women on the lecture committee, I was told by the embarrassed professor who had asked me to come, had decided that there was a limit to the kind of speech the students could safely hear, and I was outside that limit. I was told, however, that I could come the next year to give a different talk. [...] "Yet being without theology isn't the slightest hindrance to being pro-life. As any obstetrics manual--Williams Obstetrics [ http://www.amazon. com/Williams-Obste trics-23rd-F-Cunni ngham/dp/007149701 3/ref=dp_ob_title_ bk ], for example--points out, there are two patients involved, and the one not yet born "should be given the same meticulous care by the physician that we long have given the pregnant woman." Nor, biologically, does it make any sense to draw life-or-death lines at viability. Once implantation takes place, this being has all the genetic information within that makes each human being unique. And he or she embodies continually developing human life from that point on. It missses a crucial point to say that the extermination can take place because the brain has not yet functioned or because that thing is not yet a "person. " Whether the life is cut off in the fourth week or the fourteenth, the victim is one of our species, and has been from the start." http://groups.csai l.mit.edu/mac/user s/rauch/nvp/consis tent/hentoff_pro-l ife_left.html -- "Pro-choice bigots: a view from the pro-life left" But if flaying the carcass of that long-dead "religion " nag assuages your pain at being in the pro-abort minority [ http://www.lifenew s.com/2010/11/11/l z-103/ ], go for it.  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #891)

Abortion

Republican-backed legislation bans abortion after 20 week...

In a number of states, you can, that cynically disingenuous Big Abortion talking point notwithstanding. [ http://www.guttmac her.org/statecente r/spibs/spib_OAL.p df -- Overview of state abortion laws] "Gestational Limits: 38 states prohibit abortions, generally except when necessary to protect the woman’s life or health, after a specified point in pregnancy, most often fetal viability." And the devil's in the Doe v Bolton definition of "health" : "[ In Doe v Bolton] The Court defined health as "all factors – physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman's age – relevant to the well-being of the patient." This health exception expanded the right to abortion for any reason through all three trimesters of pregnancy. "This definition is so broad and encompassing that it allows for wrong timing, marital status, fear of pain, too many children, weight gain, etc., as "health" reasons. Because of Doe, any reason for abortion can be construed as a health reason. Together with Roe v. Wade, Doe v. Bolton allows abortion for any reason and at any time during the pregnancy." Anyone want to drive a semi truck through Doe v Bolton's "well-being of the patient" phrase? Late-term abortionist Warren Hern certainly did: "I will certify that any pregnancy is a threat to a woman's life and could cause 'grievous injury' to her 'physical health'."  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #179)

Abortion

Bill says no abortion if there's a heartbeat | The Columb...

Even pro-abort leaders (the honest ones, anyway) are being forced to admit that ineluctable conclusion. Speaking of honesty, Diogenes would stalk off in a fit of frustration if he had only the Topix pro-aborts to survey. Here's Honesty Lite (she still wants to preserve an *almost* wholly unfettered "right" to kill the unborn) from Frances Kissling, former head of "Catholics for a Free Choice": ". . .Pro-choice advocates have good reason to oppose legislation that restricts abortion in any way, but unfortunately we're not going to regain the ground we have lost. [Cue the sound of Topix pro-aborts' teeth gnashing.] What we must do is stop holding on to a strategy that isn't working [Cue the sound of Bitner's teeth gnashing after her 38,000 iterations of "It's not a baby!!"], and one that is making the legal right to abortion more vulnerable than ever before. "We can no longer pretend the fetus is invisible. We can no longer seek to banish the state from our lives, but rather need to engage its power to improve women's lives. We must end the fiction that an abortion at 26 weeks is no different from one at six weeks. "These are not compromises or mere strategic concessions, they are a necessary evolution. The positions we have taken up to now are inadequate for the questions of the 21st century. We know more than we knew in 1973, and our positions should reflect that. "The fetus is more visible than ever before, and the abortion-rights movement needs to accept its existence and its value. It may not have a right to life, and its value may not be equal to that of the pregnant woman, but ending the life of a fetus is not a morally insignificant event. Very few people would argue that there is no difference between the decision to abort at 6 weeks and the decision to do so when the fetus would be viable outside of the womb, which today is generally at 24 to 26 weeks. Still, it is rare for mainstream movement leaders to say that publicly. Abortion is not merely a medical matter, and there is an unintended coarseness to claiming that it is."  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #876)

Abortion

Republican-backed legislation bans abortion after 20 week...

Of course he knew it. Ely's "The Wages of Crying Wolf" comments on the extraconstitutiona l transmogrification of a -- putative and gossamer, Ely argues -- "right to privacy" into a whole-cloth-create d right to kill the unborn. Ely further says that were he a legislator, he'd vote for Roe-like legislation, the arena in which such decisions had been rightfully made until Roe's usurpation. ". . . the most devastating critique Ely offers of the Roe ruling pertains to its constitutional grounding. As Blackmun himself acknowledges, the Roe decision maintains that privacy is observed in the corners of the Constitution, its 'penumbras.' That is to say the right of privacy is not delineated in the Constitution; in fact, the phrase does not even exist there. Blackmun and his colleagues argue that privacy exists within the shadows of the Constitution, so thoroughly a piece of American governance that it did not require mention in our founding document. For Ely, and others after him opposed to Roe, this is a damning observation that the right of privacy hangs on a constitutional thread." But Ely's only the fourth most widely cited legal scholar in U.S. history and author of the most-cited law book in the 20th century. What would he know compared to the legal-eagle denizens of Topix?  (Mar 11, 2011 | post #173)

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