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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Really? And just where did you study Hebrew? Or were you merely going off of a concordance written a few decades ago, during more "repressed " times?  (2 hrs ago | post #15608)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

So, you refuse to accept the truth even when it is right before you? And continue to lie about it as well? That fragment of a verse shows what happened when they were given up. The earlier part of the passage tells WHY God gave them up: they worshiped false gods, like Jews who started worshiping Jesus.  (2 hrs ago | post #15607)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

I NEVER lie. It is SOOOOOOO much more fun to stick to the truth. :)  (2 hrs ago | post #15606)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

In their original language, Paul's words contradict what the Bible says, therefore he is a false prophet. The words in that particular verse were then mistranslated from the Greek to EnglishI rather doubt that an orgy would be considered acceptable. On the other hand, this was long before Leviticus, so those rules could not applySodom was engaged in evil - that lack of hospitality was an act of murder - and tow'evah: "abomination " in that they worshiped foreign Gods. At least according to Ezekiel. Now if you want to say that the prophet got it wrong, that is your call. By looking back, Lot's wife was expressing a desire to return to a city engaged in murder and the worship of foreign Gods.  (2 hrs ago | post #15605)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Silly, ignorant child... Deuteronomy 21:15 If a man have two wivesOr a man and a man, as the marriage of David and Johnathan clearly shows. Except there are plenty of exceptions to that. I can find prohibitions between a man and a betrothed woman or another man's wife, prohibitions of rape, between a man and a temple prostitute (both male and female, but addressed separately), between various degrees of kinship, beasts, etc. But where is the prohibition of premarital sex between a man and an UNbetrothed woman? Of course, this would have been rare, since the father would have wanted to marry her off as quickly as possible, but the big problem here seems to be the possibility of selling "damaged goods" at full price - claiming that she is a virgin when she is not. One of the complaints that my Jewish friends have with xianity is the excess value placed on pre-marital abstinence - it is not a Jewish value, or at least not as highly valued as in xianity.  (2 hrs ago | post #15603)

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But the little wads of goo are not important at all. If they were, then nature would have been more careful with them. Instead, only about 1 in 5 manages to make it all the way from fertilized egg to live birth, and that is under the BEST of prenatal care. Go back a few decades, and you might be talking about one in TEN fertilized eggs reaching live birth. Human being ARE important, but human beings are not little wads of goo, nor are little wads of goo human beings.  (4 hrs ago | post #230648)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Quoting out of context is just another form of lying... Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up... Now, once again, ca you tell the class WHY they were given up?  (4 hrs ago | post #15591)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Paul was a false prophet. Your English version is a mistranslation of the words of a false prophetMy point exactly. Could it be that you are beginning to understand the profound depths of your own ignorance?  (4 hrs ago | post #15590)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Your lossNo. But some of my best friends are Jewish...  (4 hrs ago | post #15589)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Oh, and I forgot to point out that the beloved disciple could have been Jesus's gay husband, but I personally think it far more likely that the early church changed the word from female to male: that was a reference to the WIFE of Jesus. Mary of Magdala, most likely, since the claims of her being a prostitute were also an invention of the early church, in a feeble attempt to downplay sexuality.  (4 hrs ago | post #15588)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Not equivocation, just laziness. I have posted them many times. Then too, you are new here, and I doubt if you read through the backlog of posts to where you would have seen the proof. 1 Samuel 18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. Jewish weddings can be performed by exchanging vows: 1 Samuel 18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. 1 Samuel 20:16 So Jonathan made a covenant with the house of David, saying, Let the LORD even require it at the hand of David's enemies. 20:17 And Jonathan caused David to swear again, because he loved him: for he loved him as he loved his own soul. Jewish weddings can be performed by exchanging gifts: 1 Samuel 18:4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle. And finally, Jewish wedding can be performed by an exchange of bodily fluids (having sex): 1 Samuel 20:41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. This one does require a little bit of explanation, the word translated as "exceeded " was and is used as a slang term for orgasm.  (4 hrs ago | post #15586)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

But totally meaningless, since Isiah was giving a prophecy about the IMMEDIATE survival of the kingdom of Judah, as Syria and Israel were joining forces to attack. Isaiah told King Ahaz that a PARTICULAR young woman (NOT a "virgin" ) was about to give birth. The prophecy was that the child would be a son, and Ahaz would be victorious by the time the kid could tell good from evil. As usual, you made the mistake of failing to read it in context. And as far as Yahweh* being salvation, of course. That was always the case, and the reason that the mythical Jesus was totally superfluous: the Jews ALWAYS had all the salvation they needed from the God of the Bible. * "Jehovah " is a particularly stupid mistranslation of the name spelled by the Hebrew letters Yod Heh Vauv Heh. There is no "J" in Hebrew.  (4 hrs ago | post #15581)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

But the distinction between "soul" and "spirit" is artificial - they are the same thing.  (5 hrs ago | post #15580)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

How do you know that God did not say the same thing to the dolphins? Or the little green men that live 175 light years from Earth?  (5 hrs ago | post #15579)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

1) Paul was a false prophet. Your English version is a mistranslation of the words of a false prophet. 2) As you have been taught MANY times, man on man rape was (and still is) used as a tool of EXTREME inhospitality and it has nothing to do with consensual same sex relationships, any more than man on woman rape has anything to do with opposite sex relationships.  (5 hrs ago | post #15578)