Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
What I said was that mutation deal with pre existing information, meaning that all a mutation does is mess with information that was already there. Meaning of evolution: See a few posts back, I clearly defined it. (May 11, 2008 | post #287)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
Then please, clearly explain what you are defining as Evolution, and then we can talk with the same vocabulary. (May 11, 2008 | post #280)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
So do tell. Why did you become an agnostic, believing that we cannot know God? And how is the Bible fiction? It has never yet been proven wrong, as discussed previously on this forum. That is not fiction. (May 11, 2008 | post #277)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
Wonderful. If there is no evil, there cannot be any good, therefore the time and money you give to differant orginizations is useless. You have a logic problem, which hinges on the existance of right and wrong. If there is no good or evil, there is no right or wrong. If there is no right or wrong, then neither of us is correct, and this argument is pointless. I believe that I am right (that is an absolute term) and therefore, I have a reason to continue argueing. Your only reason is pity, which, from your biting comments, I doubt that you have. There was no right answer to that question, either way, I would have sucke you into this. (May 11, 2008 | post #276)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
This would be a good time to bring up the defintion of Evolution. Actually, there are six seperate, distinct definitions. 1: Microevolution, to which you seem to be refering. The only one with direct evidance, which most people call natural selection. Includes variance within a animal kind. 2: Macroevolution, the alteration of one animal kind into another, fish=>amphibian s, etc. Not scientifically observable. 3: Organicevolution, which deal with the origin of life, from nom-living chemicals to life. Again, not observed 4: Chemicalevolution, deals with the formation of the elements from big bang products, namely hydrogen and helium. 5: Stellerevolution, the formation of the planets and stars from the big bang. 6: Cosmicevolution, the origin of time, space, and matter To which are you refering? (May 11, 2008 | post #271)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
Brush up on the Bible? Really, Seth was not a part of the conversation. Prehaps you'd like us to include a full history of the Bible? Tell me, Can you, off the top of you head, name the 66 books of the Bible, tell which one is in the middle, and how many are in each testament? Can you tell me what the name of two of Noah's Grandsons? How old was Adam when he died? Who died the oldest? How many people never died? Do you know the name of the thing that hangs at the back of you own throat, or which lobe of the brain you are thinking with at this moment? Can you explain the Gauss's law? Maybe we should all stick to the topic at hand and not worry about how much everyone else knows. Sorry for the rant (May 11, 2008 | post #269)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
Good question. Let me ask you one, please keep the answer short, like dialouge. Is there evil in the world? (May 11, 2008 | post #267)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
You may want to brush up on your biology a little bit, with all due respect. Mutations always deal with pre-existing information, and all reliably observed mutations have been degenerative. And how did a single cell become a human without the addition of information? (May 11, 2008 | post #266)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
Fish, if you have something useful to say that would constitute an argument, please say it. Otherwise, keep your mockery and errant view of Christianity to yourself. (May 11, 2008 | post #265)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
Please refer to Matther 10:28, where Jesus relates the destruction of a soul to Hell. It instructs the Christian not to fear people who can kill them, but rather to fear God (Fear meaning deep respect of course) who can send a soul to Hell - that is the death of a soul. (May 11, 2008 | post #252)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
Yes, man became a living soul. Sorry, I'm missing your point on this one. Try using Old King James, or New King James. I foind those to be the best translations of the original Hebrew and Greek Ezekial 18:4 again refers to spiritual death (check the Hebrew word, esword is a great free resource) God is condemning the people of Israel for not following his commandments. Like I said earlier, death refering to the eternal soul always refers to condemnation to Hell (not a pleasant idea) (May 11, 2008 | post #249)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
Just a minor correction, Charles Darwin discovered "natural selection," which is scientific, and falls within creationist veiws. Evolution requires that addition of information to create new species, which has never been observed. Gravity has been observed since the beggining of time. Creationism, by the way, starts at the top with creation, and is now on a gradual decline as things move towards disorder. (May 11, 2008 | post #248)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
Oops, I thought I lost that first response, the second was a retake. Disregard if you like. I mean, not totally disregard the content, but you can ignore the second post, it's just a rehash. (May 11, 2008 | post #245)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
Yes, both theorys claim a dirt origin, but Creation includes an important ingrediant, the Breath of God. It is what gives humans a value greater than that of its body's componants, and is the reason that we are held accountable to a set of rules. If Evolution were true, then we came from dirt by ourselves, and are therefore only accountable to ourselves and whatever rules we propose for ourselves. Romans 6:23 refers to a spiritual death, for everbody is doomed to a physical death. Spiritual death, according to the Bible, is an eternal seperation from God, or Hell. The eternal life is spent in Heaven with God. All souls continue forever in one place or the other (No Purgatory) Again, the Bible is full of promises of life after death. The last two chapters of the Bible are dedicated to heaven, and Jesus refers to the kingdom of Heaven many times in the gospels. Evolution has no such promise. If we came from dirt, our conciousness is an accident, and ceases to exist when the flesh dies. Since we are accountable to no one anyway, I guess that means we should do whatever feels good while we're here! Creation and Evolution are Polar oppisites. Sorry if I wasn't clear on this the first time, I'm still learning. (May 11, 2008 | post #244)
Creation/Evolution; Which is true?
You have it mostly correct. I'm glad, you are another person who thinks, I like that in people. Good style. Correct, Genesis says that our bodies are made of dust, but what of the rest of us? What of the soul? Life did not come from the dirt, but from the Breath of God. Romans 6:23 relates to spiritual death, which is defined as an eternal seperation from God. Every soul is eternal. Every soul does not live in heaven, many are eternally seperated from God in Hell. That is ultimate death. The relation between evolution and behaviour is logically inferred. I'll walk you through it. Evolution (The complete theory involving cosmic, chemical, stellar, organic, and macro-evolution) states that in the beggining, there was a big explosion which eventually condensed into the galaxies and solar systems, including ours. From the lump of dust that formed earth, life eventually arose. Nothing created that life, so it is responsible to no one but itself. That life then evolved into us over billions of years. Again, that would make us responsible to no one but ourselves. (Remember, I do not believe this) If I am responsible to no one but me, I can do whatever I want, right? No rules but my own. That is the fallout of Evolution. Side effects include life after death and self-value. According to Evolution, there is no life after death, so we may as well enjoy ourselves while we're here. Do whatever feels good. Besides, our value is only that of what we are made of, Some water, carbon, nitrogen, and other chemicals that accidently came to life. If there is a God, and Evolution occured, we are an 'oops!' Creationism of course, says otherwise. According to the Bible, we are precious to God, because he made us, gave us souls, and even when we sinned against God, He sent His Son to die in our place. That is a very high value. Much more than some random chemicals. As for life after death, like I said, every soul is eternal. Some choose God, and others reject God. The result is a choice between Heaven and Hell. I hope I was clear on all of that, if I was at all vauge, please point it out and I'll try again. (May 11, 2008 | post #243)
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