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Score one for justice! I am an attorney in Kansas and a military vet. Fred Phelps is an embarrassment to every Kansan, every American and every Christian. This case was not about the First Amendment , or free speech or even religion. It was about basic human decency. The Phelps clan of kooks and gay-bashers got the verdict that they deserved. They used this family's misfortune to push their weird views of God and justice. They intentionally inflicted great emotional harm on this man and his family. This case was and is about the limits that society may place on outrageous conduct , conduct that does real harm to innocent people in order to push a personal political agenda. Before he was disbarred- yes Fred Phelps used to be a lawyer- I had the sad misfortune to litigate against him in Topeka. You will never met anyone more ignorant, untrustworthy, and self-righteous than that poor excuse for a human being. Knowing the Phelps clan, you can bet they will never pay a dime of the verdict. Jury- You Rock!  (Nov 2, 2007 | post #244)

Chiropractic

Relieve the burden of back pain

Donnie,,, The problem with your profession is that there are way too many chiro's who do "know" David Singer, who do buy his sales "Tech", and sell the cure to "killer-sublu xations", which is to say treatments 3x's week, for 52 weeks-prepaid of course. They are the specialist in scare-care, subluxation stations, DRX, VAX-D's and EB-305 machines. What I do not get is why the honest DC's tolerate it. Does Dr T really expect us to believe he never heard of David Singer? come on -he either never read a chiro journal ,or has been under a rock for years- neither of which do I think is the case... he knows about David Singer, maybe not in person - but his reputation precedes him.  (Oct 29, 2007 | post #67)

Chiropractic

the pro-adjuster

DR T says...."We need more independent research to prove the effectiveness of what Chiropractors do, " I agree.  (Oct 24, 2007 | post #84)

Chiropractic

Aligning the spine

With over 168 techniques that the DC can pick and choose from, with NO empirical studies to compare one from the other it is easy for any one chiropractor to claim they do not cause strokes......becau se as we have seen here, they can just deny they did it, or deny that "THAT" technique could cause the stroke. what is interesting to this medical layman is that from the above, it appears that chiro's do not even know when they do not know something, their training has not prepared them to know their limits..... they are so full of the their self image- "we are doctors", they fail to see the shortcomings in their own training.... And no "release " , no "informed consent form" can ever protect against an act of negligence- you cannot waive the right to be treated with "reasonable care".  (Oct 24, 2007 | post #292)

Chiropractic

the pro-adjuster

jim, no doubt they will claim he is not "really an MD"... sound familiar? Next he will be called : "a Liar" . Then a sock puppet for the "Big Pharmacy conspiracy",, , or an "agent of the AMA"... IT is ALL a Conspiracy to defeat the competition - did you not know that?  (Oct 23, 2007 | post #74)

Chiropractic

Aligning the spine

The idea that the school does not matter is silly. The low level of the floor DOES tell you something about the height of the ceiling. The fact is, the great majority of "teachers " at chiro schools, in the USA, have only one (1) degree, guess what that is ? it is a "DC"- and not even a BS or BA . There are rare exceptions , but that is the rule. Look at all 16 chiro schools in the USA. When the admittance requirements for Chiro school are low- and they are low- , you have to have no less than a 2.0 average on a 4.0 scale for undergraduate work, and when there is no undergraduate degree requirement, when the cost of tuition is "THE" deciding factor on whether you get admitted into Chiro school , when there is NO similar test to a MCAT, when the intellectual "pool" of future DC's is not selective for IQ- and it is not- not like Medical or Dental or any other recognized professional school,,, the end product- the graduate must be , on the average, below that of the average medical school graduate. To compare the course work, ( not the title's of the classes- the content, and the teacher background ) of a DC school to a Medical school is a bit like comparing a Harvard business graduate with a MBA to a night correspondence school graduate or a JUCO student with a couple of hours in business. They are NOT substantively "equals" , not on any level. The only thing they have in common, is both claim the right to be addressed by the sobriquet : "doctor" . If you think they are "equal", I have some land just east of Miami that I can get you a good deal on.  (Oct 23, 2007 | post #255)

Chiropractic

Aligning the spine

"If you do have proper nerve supply your body will fight off most germs before they start..." I challenge you to show us ANY empirical studies from reputable , peer reviewed, scientific journals, that support the claim that a chiro adjustment, of any type, or number, can do anything to help anyone "fight off germs"...... This is a "wellness " claim . It is premised on straight "chiropractic subluxation" theory. There is NO scientific support for this claim. none . Is there ? It is OK if you want to proceed on this as a theory, but admit it is just a " theory" , not a demonstrated scientific "fact". If I call chiro a "fraud" this is an example. The representation of a claim as a "proven fact" when the declarant KNOWS , or should know, that this is not a fact.  (Oct 23, 2007 | post #254)

Chiropractic

the pro-adjuster

t puts the bone in proper alignment thus reducing pressure on a nerve........ Can you demonstrate this with an MRI or X-ray? Before and after pictures? Admit it : the correct answer is NO, not that it is "not needed". How do you measure what it does? "The physiological response of the patient" This is COMPLETELY subjective.How do you measure it objectively? you know - with an X-ray or MRI .... Many techniques I have studied and unless you are that Dr then you can not do "their technique" Rather a slightly modified version of it.... This does not seem to be the case with traditional medicine. when you get an appendicitis removed or surgically corrected- the MD/surgeon does not claim he just did a " Dr Y technique" on you to remove the damaged appendix. Why is it that chiro has over 168 different techniques , that according to at least one of your chiro supporters on this forum are NOT taught in chiro school- if these techniques are not taught in chiro school-and are not taught on weekend seminars- where do they come from- do you make them up as you go? Or is chiro so "special " that every DC has his own unique chiro adjusting technique they created themselves? Why so many different ways to do basically the same thing- the " adjustment" ?  (Oct 23, 2007 | post #72)

Chiropractic

the pro-adjuster

chiro works you claim. ......OK.. Exactly what does it do? How does it do it? How do you measure what it does? What Technique do you claim does exactly what? Where did you learn this technique? in chiro school? Or a weekend seminar?  (Oct 23, 2007 | post #68)

Chiropractic

the pro-adjuster

From toggle to pro-adjuster. Same concept different application. From "Toftness Radiation Detector" to DRX9000, or VAX-D".... same thing- FRAUD- it is just done with a different device.  (Oct 23, 2007 | post #67)

Chiropractic

the pro-adjuster

That also explains why Chiro's as a group have a student loan default rate TWICE that of ALL health care providers- COMBINED. TWICE the rate of all the RN's MD's,DO,s, Pharmacy grads and PA's,,, TWICE the combined default rate for ALL others... why is that? Either they just are not making it,$, after school...( probable) or they are deadbeats as a group... either conclusion is a negative one,, and inescapable.  (Oct 23, 2007 | post #66)

Chiropractic

the pro-adjuster

http://portland.bi zjournals.com/port land/stories/2007/ 03/05/story5.html Now we read "Declining reimbursement from health plans and Medicare, plus payment restrictions for many types of chiropractic services are changing the landscape for many of Oregon's 1,280 chiropractors. " This chiro closed his doors. Do you know why the chiro schools will refuse to release any stats about the total number of grads... ( they do not have too- in the USA they are all "non-profit " private Corp's) ........... The schools do not want anyone to compare the total number of people with DC degrees to the number of people with DC licenses..... It might show that less than 1/3 of the graduates of chiro school over the past 10 years are in practice- the fact is, most leave chiropractic because the honest ones have a very hard time making a decent living at it......and it will get harder and harder and harder as insurance tightens up and stops or reduces coverage. NOT a bright future for the future DC student...  (Oct 23, 2007 | post #65)

Chiropractic

the pro-adjuster

The fact is chiro is not growing... how many grads this past year from Cleveland in CA? less than 50... Insurance coverage is dropping...enrollm ent is down and so is utilization,,, and insurance coverage. WalMart- regardless of how you feel about them- they are a major employer- recently DROPPED chiro coverage from ALL their insurance coverage plans..... another sign of the times for chiro's... decreasing utilization, declining coverage... hummmmm no wonder they want to get you to bring in the children, they can start the brainwashing with chiro-bs at an earlier age.....  (Oct 23, 2007 | post #64)

Chiropractic

Aligning the spine

UHC has the order correct... they expect scientific evidence of efficacy BEFORE they will pay. As usual, chiroville demands that the Insurance co pay unless they have evidence of the negative-- " pay me unless you can prove what I claim is false"... it is the other way around,,, you do not get paid unless you can prove it is effective- with scientific evidence- not screams from ancedotal sources that "IT WORKS"....  (Oct 23, 2007 | post #240)

Chiropractic

Aligning the spine

http://www.amerchi ro.org/press_css.c fm?CID=2553 Unfortunately for the chiro's , the Insurance industry is on to them, and is shutting down all payments for "pediatric " chiro treatments.... A sign of the times.....  (Oct 23, 2007 | post #239)

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