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E Cigarettes May Be More Effective Than Swine Flu Vaccine

I have to say that this press release has been bugging me since it was released almost two weeks ago. Why? Because while the studies are excellent reads, it always concerns me when someone tries to link something of great potential to something that scares the living daylights out of some. It dilutes the potential... And that is sad. Flu vaccines actually haven't undergone serious clinical testing and this recent round, has actually been tested AS it has been given. Not to mention the cause for concern that they are diluting it in order to offer more people the vaccine... of which there is really no proof that it does work... because of all the people who got the vaccine, how many might not have gotten the flu in the first place? (not picking a fight with you discussded... I personally don't believe in the flu vaccine for a multitude of reasons of which if you agree with the vaccine, then I respect that) Also, of all the studies I have my hands on regarding the vapor of the ecig, there is no evidence that nicotine is present. Studies have also been done that there is no nicotine in the second hand smoke of a tobacco cigarette. And I know you will say: "Who paid for that study?"... Yes... I do take each study as a grain of salt ;) However, that said, I am patiently waiting for one really really big vapor test to come out from one lab who has done testing on the same products as tested by the FDA and as soon as that is available, I will surely post!  (Nov 13, 2009 | post #5)

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Plan to strengthen Indianapolis smoking ordinance gets ne...

Too bad this isn't about the real issue: Public health. We will see what they do about allowing incense to be "approved ", even though burning it does cause the same types of second hand smoke exposure as does a burning cigarette. Should be interesting.  (Nov 12, 2009 | post #2)

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Research compares quit-smoking products

Careful... wood burning stoves use combustion and emit the same dangerous by-products into the air as tobacco cigarettes ;)  (Nov 5, 2009 | post #6)

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Research compares quit-smoking products

http://archpsyc.am a-assn.org/cgi/con tent/full/66/11/12 53?pubs Here's a link to the actual study. The last paragraph is the most interesting regarding financial disclosure. I haven't read through it all... but will... but that was definitely the first thing that popped out at me after the initial skim :)  (Nov 4, 2009 | post #3)

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Patio smoking ban under attack

Hence the need for places that allow for certain adult behaviors to be acceptable. For instance: Gentleman's clubs. Bars. Smoking and non for both depending on what the free market dictates. I would say that the non-smoking movement has been good for one thing: It has allowed for there to be a division so that non-smoking establishments ARE acceptable. I apologize for my youth, but I don't remember a time when smoking was just simply everywhere. I remember my grandmother, being a "golden age smoker" being very upset that she suddenly couldn't smoke somewhere. I understand now, but didn't at the time. Then again, my parents being avid non-smokers, also didn't take us into places that had a lot of smoking... so I was kind of sheltered to the smoking situation in the 80's/early 90's in that respect. You are right, you can NOT have a private smoke in a public place but you can certainly have a smoke in private place and that private place can include adult establishments (which I include bars). That said, don't get me wrong... places that serve families and children can certainly offer non-smoking and as a parent, I do enjoy this. Heck... as a smoker, I enjoy having dinner in a non-smoking restaurant with or without my kids. But when I want to kick back and have a smoke and a drink... I should be able to choose where I frequent and do so with other like minded individuals.  (Oct 30, 2009 | post #34)

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FDA & Ash Less Trusted Than China E Cigarette Manufactures

That's one of the problems with "news" these days... just as we had discussed in another thread regarding following the money... one has to be very cautious to investigate exactly what they are reading and it's source. "News" isn't really news anymore... Most of what we see even from some of the larger journals are just regurgitated press releases with little to no data or fact checking.  (Oct 30, 2009 | post #26)

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Smoke-Free E-Cigarettes Cause Alarm Among Health Officials

Have you seen this? http://www.ncbi.nl m.nih.gov/pubmed/8 614291 "Tobacco smoking has been reported to be associated with increased risk of cardiovascular disease and cancer, particularly of the lungs. In spite of extensive research on the health effects of tobacco smoking, the substances in tobacco smoke exerting these negative health effects are not completely known. Nicotine is the substance giving the subjective pleasure of smoking as well as inducing addiction. For the first time we report the effect on the rat of long-term (two years) inhalation of nicotine. The rats breathed in a chamber with nicotine at a concentration giving twice the plasma concentration found in heavy smokers. Nicotine was given for 20 h a day, five days a week during a two-year period. We could not find any increase in mortality, in atherosclerosis or frequency of tumors in these rats compared with controls. Particularly, there was no microscopic or macroscopic lung tumors nor any increase in pulmonary neuroendocrine cells. Throughout the study, however, the body weight of the nicotine exposed rats was reduced as compared with controls. In conclusion, our study does not indicate any harmful effect of nicotine when given in its pure form by inhalation." Interesting. If you see your doctor again soon, would you ask his/her thoughts on this recent study?  (Oct 29, 2009 | post #44)

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Patio smoking ban under attack

I would also argue that this is the ROOT of the smoking problem... this idea that because one does not engage in a certain action, then therefor, their rights become more important than those who do. Drinking alcohol is acceptable in certain places... why should smoking not be the same?  (Oct 29, 2009 | post #20)

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Patio smoking ban under attack

So what about the representative who has a food addiction or a shopping addiction or a sex addiction or a caffeine addiction? What happens if smoking is eradicated and we go full force after these other "addictions "... which is already beginning to happen. Who will be able to run for office then? ;)  (Oct 29, 2009 | post #19)

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Stricter workplace smoking ban in doubt

What's interesting is that this smoking ban allows for the continued burning of incense. Did you know that burning incense has been studied and because it uses combustion, releases the exact same carcinogens into the air as second hand smoke from a combustable cigarette? If this is really about public health, then when presented such information, wouldn't it be a good thing to actually take public health into account? http://www.reuters .com/article/healt hNews/idUSPAT56944 620080825 The PDF of the study: http://www.e-cig.o rg/pdfs/National-I nstitute-of-Health -Incense-Burning-S tudy.pdf  (Oct 29, 2009 | post #13)

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Patio smoking ban under attack

Hind sight is 20/20. If back in the day smoking bans had been lobbied correctly this wouldn't be an issue. Correctly you ask? Correctly would have been allowing establishments to offer smoking INSIDE while not allowing it on the streets! Could you imagine how many fewer cigarette butts would be littering the roads... not to mention we wouldn't have business owners and smokers up in arms that their rights are being taken AND non-smokers wouldn't have to deal with a smoker if they didn't want to? It's so sad how EASY the answer is. But unfortunately, we have totally lost sight of everything... including public health.  (Oct 29, 2009 | post #16)

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Broader smoking ban fails to survive council vote

This is true. But they do have to have 18 votes in order to bring it back for vote. Mansfield, being one of the sponsors of this bill, is of course hopeful she will get those 18 votes... but as two voters are abstaining due to conflict of interest/personal reasons and the other two were absent, one of which has been absent for over a month for personal reasons... Mansfield will have to get some of the no voters to switch sides.  (Oct 29, 2009 | post #8)

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Smoke-Free E-Cigarettes Cause Alarm Among Health Officials

I can certainly not disagree with you on this! This can be said for any study, organization, drug, etc. For instance: Let's look at ASH. They received over $100,000 in the first quarter from Pfizer... Hence ASH US's stance against the electronic cigarette and for things like the nicotine gum, the nasal spray, the inhaler, and even the suicidal Chantix. ASH US does not disclose they receive funding from Pfizer, but Pfizer discloses that they provide funding to ASH. http://www.pfizer. com/responsibility /global_health/glo bal_health_partner ships.jsp We could also take the example of the FDA itself. They don't really disclose the fact to the American public that they receive a healthy portion of their funding from the very companies that want to market and sell their products in the US. http://www.pbs.org /wgbh/pages/frontl ine/shows/prescrip tion/hazard/indepe ndent.html So yes... buyer beware! Study reader beware! Donator beware! One definitely has to wade carefully through their choices of what to believe and whom to donate to.  (Oct 29, 2009 | post #40)

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5 reasons to ban smoking in public places

You don't appear to be against ecigs and your concerns are valid... I think many have those concerns and they are all in the process of being addressed (on an industry level). There has been extensive study by the EPA regarding the inhalation of propylene glycol vapors and mists, hence it's usage in many products in hospitals to sanitize the air... as well as extensive studies since the 1940's on subjects including children. Now, I will definitely say that they haven't done extensive studies on the long term effects of direct inhalation as found in the habit of smoking... however, we KNOW what the inhalation of combustionable smoke could produce to the user and by stander so one kind of has to weigh one for the other if we KNOW that smokers are going to continue to smoke. Unfortunately, one of the only ways to really get true valid data on the long term effects of direct inhalation would be to take never smokers and have them smoke the ecig for years and see what happens and frankly, I don't see that as a valid option because then we are addicting persons to a hand to mouth addiction, even if they use non-nicotine liquids. A blog post I recently wrote to http://www.e-cig.o rg/2009/10/15/comb ustion-versus-vapo rization/ (and I don't post this to be "spammy" ) but you appear to *want* to read... so at the bottom are the studies I refer to including the EPA's report on PG... All very interesting reads if interested. :)  (Oct 29, 2009 | post #19)

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FDA & Ash Less Trusted Than China E Cigarette Manufactures

Well... it does state that it is a press release in the fact that OfficialWire only offers "articles " that are press releases. I think it's wonderful that you found a way to quit smoking tobacco that works for you. I think this is a key element in the "addictions " debate in that we all have our addictions to certain things, whether it be shopping, over eating, smoking tobacco, sex, alcohol, etc and one "quit" method just simply does not fit all. You should be proud that you have been able to quit, stay quit, and and do so on your own accord... I do not belittle that at all! (I am kind of sad that you had to "shame" yourself into... but at the same time, it worked for you and if you are happy with that... then woo woo!) ;) My connection: I do not hide that I am an ecig activist and highly involved in the industry. I do not hide that I also smoke tobacco cigarettes, smoke an electronic cigarette... do both sometimes... smoke the ecig exclusively for the most part... use my ecig with nicotine, no nicotine, whatever my mood requires, always keeping in mind those around me, who I am affecting and what is a responsible course of action for a given situation. I also do not hide that I see both sides of the smoking debate. I can hardly deny the science that has come about showing the ill effects of smoking tobacco... but I also can't undermine the fact that some people don't want to quit... and why should they have to? (especially if the product they choose to use does not affect others)  (Oct 29, 2009 | post #21)