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KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

The translators, no, I don't think they were also inspired by God. I did hear once that the King James version leaves out the word 'homosexuality' because those who were translation feared for their lives as King James was gay. I have not, however, looked into the accuracy of that claim. I do think that by studying the original Greek and Hebrew, you can decipher it's meaning. Even between different translations, you can pull out the meaning from the original. Greek and Hebrew do have very rich linguistic structures, it is a pity that we miss out on that while reading the EnglishWas not Jesus judging the Pharisees? Were not Christians called to live like Him? Were not his own followers tortured and killed because they too told the people of their sinsWhat you, as a voting citizen, believe will dictate the way you cast your vote and how you live your lifeAgain, I believe that there will be sinners in Heaven. None are without sin. The type of sin will be different from person to person. I do love animals, I don't know if they will be there in Heaven. I don't, however, believe that they have spirits, and so I doubt they will be in Heaven nor Hell.  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #274)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

Besides what I've already written on the topic, the actions of one in a society effect the rest of society. We are following the the footsteps of the fall of the Roman empire. I do believe we have been greatly blessed, as a nation, because of our actions in following Gods laws. I do also believe that turning our backs on that past will negatively affect our nation. Right now the actions of one are not directly effecting me, but I do believe that they will in the futureAs I've mentioned in past posts, you can't leave your religion, or belief system, out of your actions or thoughts. Simple example: if I don't 'believe' this chair will hold me, I wouldn't sit in itI never said my church, nor I, do not embrace or welcome gays. In fact, I did make the point that heaven may indeed have gays and lesbians. It doesn't change the fact that I think their actions are sinful, but there are many sins, and no man is without sin, therefore heaven will be full of people who have committed all different kinds of sinConsidering that I believe that His word is inspired by Him, then His answers are right there.  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #273)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

Your argument doesn't hold much water. Life isn't fair, never has been, never will be. Some people are born in impoverished countries and will never enjoy any of the benefits or 'rights' we receive. One guy gets a job, his competition stays unemployed. Even the communists couldn't perfect fairness.  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #272)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

You missed a great many posts then ;) You also missed a great post on how the whole judging thing has been taken out of context. To recap: we are called to judge, just not as the hypocrite. I agree with you, we are called to love, however, we are also called to live a pure life, to 'despise what is evil, cling to what is good'. We are called to love the sinner, and yet hate the sin. There are, unfortunately, many on this forum spewing out hatred toward the sinner and not the sin.  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #271)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

We still have laws which outlaw 'being able to do whatever you want', eg. it's illegal to commit suicide. Yet, that doesn't hurt anyone else ...  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #269)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

The original 'versions' are not in English. Posting them here would do a great disservice to those trying to use them to argue against homosexuality or for it -'God's love covers all sin'. Different English translations are due to the fact that our language has evolved over time. We no longer speak in Old English (as is written the King James Bible) for example. The whole reason for having the Bible 'in our own language' is for comprehension. The best way to do that is to come out with a different translation, of the originals, for 'todays speak'.  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #267)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

Of my 'rights', none. But since I wrote that post, this forum has discussed many different things. One current debate is 'homosexual marriage' a 'right'? If you read a few of the more recent posts you can help us converse over that very topic.  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #252)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

I never said it would be easy, I've just heard of it being done. It sounds like you yourself have done itI know of tax benefits, beside those ones, what other ones are missing?  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #251)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

Christians are called to bring light into the world, not tolerance. The most effective way is through peace, love, gentleness, kindness. All of which are still not tolerance. Christians are called to judge, not hypocritically (people take that verse out of context). I am not advocating that Christians run around and kill all non-straight people, punish them somehow, or discriminate against them. To your question: So again I ask what are they doing to hurt you? And: But why are you pushing those beliefs on those who don't hold them? Everything that a person believes effects how they act. People in this forum view me one way, the make their own belief about me, and the belief has caused some to hostilely respond to me. Your belief that this is a 'right' a fundamental right, would make you vote one way. Read my answers to Ski Bunny's questions (just a few posts ago), I go into more detail about why what you believe should and usually dose shape how you vote, and how you think laws should govern the people. Partly for the sake of your nation, partly for the sake of continuing generations, regardless of any direct effect I may feel from people's actions.  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #244)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

They can have legal rights to the children, if they go through the correct process. Wills and legal powers of attorney can specify all these details. It is true that is is much harder, a few extra hoops to jump through, but it can be done. (Just as parents that setup care with grandparents, etc if they die). I also just read the other day of a lady who left all her inheritance to her dog. They can do everything you're complaining about, so I don't see that as the problem. Can you tell me why you think it is a 'right' that they can be married. I have heard others say why they think is is, but why do you think that is there right?  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #243)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

The Pharisees were adding rules to the laws. They had taken things like 'keep the Sabbath day holy' and turned it into 'If you have one stone in one pocket, and three in the other, then your right leg will be working. On the Sabbath day you need to have equal numbers of stones' etc. They had become legalistic, analyzing every letter of the law, not to understand and live by it, but to present a 'holier than thou' false facade. Jesus preached acceptance of the sick, of the down-trodden, of your fellow man, but not of those intent on continuing in their sin. He was killed because he exposed the lies of the Pharisees and that threatened to change their high stature in the community. He was killed because he claimed to be God by claiming to be the Son of God.  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #234)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

Freedom of Religion is an unaleinable right and constitutional doctrine guaranteeing the ability of the individual to freely believe and practice religious principles according to his or her conscience. The modern legal concept of religious freedom as the union of freedom of belief and freedom of worship with the absence of any state-sponsored religion, originated in the United States of America. http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Freedom _of_Religion_in_th e_United_States The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. The phrase itself does not appear in the Constitution, but it has been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court. http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Separat ion_of_church_and_ state_in_the_Unite d_States People presume that 'separation of church and state' should mean all religion over here, all state over there, and no mixing of the two. This not only is not what was intended, it isn't able to work. What I believe is ingrained in the decisions of my day-to-day life. This includes a perspective on how I vote, who I wish to elect. Our leaders also have personal beliefs which govern what laws to push through, which ones not to push as hard on, etc. If I believed that all things were supernatural, nothing is natural, my outlook on the world would be very central to self. Nothing in existence is 'real', it is all mind-created. Karma is the only thing which will bring order. Since everything is supernatural, I must be god. Everyone is their own god. This is the basis for many eastern cultures. If, conversely, I believed that all thins were natural, nothing is supernatural, my outlook on the world would be very outward focused. Since nothing is supernatural, there can be no God. Everyone is 100% equal. This was in fact the basis of socialism. What you believe changes how you look at your government.  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #232)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

If you believe that something is morally wrong, you write a law up against it to keep your kids, grandchildren, and others from falling into that immorality. Perhaps experience tells you, people who drink don't respond quickly to drive. Perhaps there should be a law to keep others from learning the hard way. Many of our laws come from moral choices, past mistakes, or both. While this one marriage may never directly effect me, it will be one step closer to other immoral things becoming legalized just as the fall of RomeThe question could also be asked of those supporting gay marriage. It shouldn't be about who if forcing their rights on who, there isn't a compromise from either side. In the end, one side will win, the other side will feel slidedOther people's beliefs have always been forced on me. I went through the public school system. There they teach evolution without mentioning that there may be other beliefs of the origin of man. They teach the 'big bang "theory" ' as fact. They taught the 'pledge of allegiance' every morning until middle school, then someone became offended that we might be 'one Nation under God'. Afterward, I was deprived, as were my fellow classmates, of understanding our great heritage, and feeling that sense of allegiance. I have heard that as time goes on, more and more is being 'forced' on students, even against their parent's will. Should the school system teach my child about sex or should I as a parent? (Side Note: People wonder why we have such problems with immigration, we are no longer a United Nation ourselves as we keep striping out our heritage from schoolsAs far as I know, it isn't regulating who marries whom. IT is regulating who marries what. Besides other restrictions; age, bloodline, your not currently married, ... ; you are free to marry anyone you want as long as a.) your a man marring a woman b.) a woman marring a man. (they don't care about 'who', they care about 'what')  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #231)

KUSA Denver

First gay couple legally married in Iowa

I don't believe that at all. I do believe that homosexuality is a sin; as is stealing, coveting your neighbors wife, coveting your neighbors things, ... I do believe that people are born sinful. Heaven will be filled with sinners.  (Sep 4, 2007 | post #228)

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