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The Happy Harmless Helper

THE HARMLESS HAPPY HELPER I've come to the conclusion that no human is really in a position to tell us both the origins and destiny of the human race. Those who have a religion at times refer to it their 'faith', which to me is synonomous with 'trust'. That is a trust in a certain set of views as expressed by human beings. Those views are often based on the writings of one human or more humans who claim to have communed with non-earthly entities, whether they be 'angels', 'God', or 'aliens'. These writings include the Jewish scriptures (aka 'Old Testament'), the Christian scriptures (aka 'New Testament'), the Koran, the Book of Mormon, and more recently, the Urantia Book. Each has its own followers who for some reason choose to put their trust in the claims of the authors, even though they are unable to test 100% the truth of the claims. In any other avenue of life, I think most of these people would consider it foolish to take on trust the claims of someone they don't even know the character of. In fact the greater the claim, the wiser it would be to proceed with caution in trusting the claim. If someone showed you a letter and claimed that it was written by some long dead person who themselves claimed to have communed with the supernatural would you believe it without any hard evidence? What if the person told you that many people believed the claims of the letter, would that be proof? Say you asked for proof that the author was who he claimed to be and also proof that he did indeed commune with the supernatural. If the person showing you the letter gave as 'proof' the fact that the letter itself says the claims are true, would that convince you? Or would you say, "That is circular reasoning?" So, for me, I choose to stick with what I know, rather than what I don't know. I choose to obey the inner written law, which I know exists, for I have conclusive proof of it within myself. This inner law is what is commonly called Conscience. It is the simple moral law that tells us what is right and wrong, which goes something like this: "What I do not wish others to do to me, I should not do to them." Release for me from the dictates of a self-appointed ecclesiastical body has not taken me on a wild course of bad behaviour. Rather it has caused inner peace of mind and an awareness of the needs of "worldly " people based on the principle of being a Harmless Happy Helper. What does that mean to me? Harmless - Try not to cause problems for others. Happy - Try to be happy, while having regard for the happiness of others. Helper - Try to be of assistance to others where it is within your ability. My wish for the people of this world is that they all be Harmless Happy Helpers without religious and/or political loyalties to block the path of Conscience. These people would have very little, if anything, to fight about and their families relationships would never be under threat because of a transference of priority in obedience to some ruling elite (ecclesiastical, political or any other category). This will be my very last post on this forum. It was really not my intention to be a regular poster here, but recently another member encouraged me to do so. I have now really reached the point in my recovery from what I can only describe as "cult programming", to keep well away from any association with it. I'm finding that the reminders of my former life are becoming somewhat 'toxic' to me. I wish to live whatever remaining years I have without the shackles of religious authority or the negative memories associated with my past religious way of life. So goodbye to you all and thanks for reading.  (Nov 28, 2013 | post #1)

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The WTS UN involvement

Sorry for the spelling mistakes. And in case anyone was wondering, yes I do know, and have known since a kid, the difference between the Harlot and the Beast(s) as defined by the WTS, and I also know that the WTS considers both to be minions of the Devil. 80)  (Nov 27, 2013 | post #49)

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The WTS UN involvement

I visited the web pages Aneirin gave links to, and a number of other pages from the website on this subject. First of all, I think the author has worked hard to defend the organization from untrue and inaccurate accusations. I respect him for that since he has provided a useful service to the cause of real truth. I also like the fact that he was obviously prepared to take personal responsibility for defending his religion. The main point he brought out that has an important bearing on the matter, I think, is that there has been an error in the improper application of certain documentation that refers to another type of NGO other than those associated with the UN DPI. However, there are some points that I believe need closer examination: (1) NO SIGNATURE. One of the arguments is that the WTS did not provide a signature on the initial application form, since apparently there was no identifiable place to provide one. On page one of the form, just below where it says, "RESPONSES MUST BE TYPED", is a space provided for the person completing the form to give his/her name and the date of application. Below that begins a series of questions. My view is that even if their were no signature, it is clear that someone from within the organization was representing it. Also, from the time of the first use of the issued ID, it would be evident that the WTS had entered into a relationship with the DPI. Some readers will know that particular actions in themselves can constitute agreement to certain terms and conditions, with no need for a signature. (2) SUPPORT OF UN CHARTER PRINCIPLES. Although there is nothing ON THE FORM that conditions the applicant to become a disseminator of information about the UN, page one states that a requirement of the NGO applicant is to "provide an annual report on its activities related to United Nations issues". In the 1994 brochure concerned with DPI NGO associates it says that those eligible are non-profit organizations that "share the ideals of the UN Charter" and "have the means and make a commitment to spread information about the United Nations through an effective and continuing information programme". Focusing on just what appears on the form, is to me the same as focusing only on what appears on an application to join a club without due regard to the accompanying documentation that outlines what is expected of a club member. I would be very surprised if the WTS received just an application form without some kind of additional explanatory documentation. Although Paul Hoeffel uses the newer wording of 'principles' rather than 'ideals', both words can mean the same thing - "a code of conduct" or "a moral standard of behaviour". The phrase 'support the principles of the UN charter' is not the same as 'support the political goals of the UN'. (3) NOTHING ON THE FORMER TO COMPROMISE CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES. For many, such as myself, the main issue is that the WTS actually made the application, thus causing an association or relationship with the UN. The UN is not a national government forming part of the "superior authorities" which "stand placed in their relative positions by God", but as the WTS sees it, as being something utilised by the Satan as an object of worship for the purposes leading the world astray. I'm wonder that if the Catholic Church had a library similar to the UN's, covering the subjects the WTS is interested in, whether it would feel okay to use that? Maybe it would!  (Nov 27, 2013 | post #48)

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The WTS UN involvement

Aneirin, I have no intention of getting into a verbal sparring match with you. However, I have to address your statement that I "don't know anything about Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs." I was brought up in the religion, virtually from birth. and baptized in my teens. I cannot begin to calculate how long I've spent in meetings, field service and personal WTS-directed Bible study. So, your statement is certainly not true, but I will forgive you for making such an uninformed statement. The fact is that you obviously don't know me or my life experiences with the JW religion.  (Nov 27, 2013 | post #28)

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The WTS UN involvement

Thanks Array. 80) diogenes, first I would take issue with your use of the term "JW haters". Please see my post to Aneirin. To use such emotive words is really not an honourable way to address a debate. There may well be people who hate JWs. I certainly am not one of them, nor do I believe many who posting here against the WTS are. To use such a term to colour the debate and potentially prejudice readers against what is said by any who might question the doctrines and/or practices laid down by the WTS's Governing Body is not, in my view, a Christian thing to do. Are former Catholics who become JWs 'Catholic-haters' when they question the doctrines and/or practices laid down by the Pope? "What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: 'I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.' Therefore, 'Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.'"--2 Corinthians 6:16, 17 (New International Version) The WTS identifies the United Nations as being "the IMAGE [Greek = eikon; icon] of the wild beast" - See wol.jw.org/en/wol/ d/r1/lp-e/2012443, under the heading "THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST DEVOURS THE HARLOT". Revelation 13:15 shows that the image is WORSHIPPED. Since the UN is regarded as an image that is worshipped, it is in fact an IDOL. Therefore in my view, the scripture at 2 Corinthians 6:17 should be applicable to it, as it is spiritually unclean. I think that in Paul's case he used his right as a Roman citizen to appeal to "the superior authorities". It was an individual decision of his based upon a very personal matter, his life. With the WTS's UN involvement, we are not talking about human rights appeals, we are talking about an ongoing voluntary ASSOCIATION with it. The point is, if you consider an organization to be a major part of 'Satan's organization' why would you want to be associated with it?  (Nov 27, 2013 | post #27)

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Why is jehovahs going to kill millions of unborn fetus's?

The most basic of morals tells us that it is wrong to bring punishment upon those who committed no offense. Of course the problem with those who claim to speak for God is that they give him a bad name. Maybe its time to let God speak for himself via the 'divinely' written moral code within us. Listening to our conscience can prevent us from following the excuse "I was only following orders", it can also prevent us from committing immoral acts in the name of religion.  (Nov 26, 2013 | post #3)

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Book of URANTIA SUCKS AND WHY SO MANY RELIGIONS?

Wasn't Jesus accused of having a demon? I suppose one man's angel is another man's devil. One man believes his sacred book was inspired by God, another man believes it was inspired by the Devil. This is the trouble with leaving one's spiritual questions to others who claim to be in contact with the divine. Maybe one should have a little more faith in oneself?  (Nov 26, 2013 | post #42)

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The WTS UN involvement

Whether or not there are inaccuracies in what the letter writer wrote or what the criteria was for acceptance is for me neither here nor there. What is of greatest importance is their ASSOCIATION with the United Nations. They obviously did not consider it wrong to keep as far away as possible from the "Wild Beast". There are many things that we cannot escape from in dealing with governments of the world, but not so where we have a choice. It seems strange to me that they will figuratively shout from the rooftops in warning to JWs when it comes to anything they class as 'pagan' - "don't touch the unclean thing" - but will quite happily use the services of a major component of Satan's supposed organization. Also, if there was no conflict of interest, then why "in October 2001" had "the Main Representative of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York to the United Nations, Giro Aulicino, requested termination of its association with DPI."? Aneirin, with respect, why use the highly emotive term "anti-JW hater". That was not necessary to get your point across. Many that you may class as "anti-JW haters" are anything but. Rather than hate JWs, they hate the DICTATORIAL AUTHORITY STRUCTURE OF THE WTS AND THE GB. They don't like the fact that a small group of people are remotely controlling the lives of so many. In fact, many of us are showing 'agape' ('principled love') for JWs by reaching out to those who are already having concerns, not to persons like yourself who seem to have unbending support and loyalty to 'the organization' (which is in effect the GB). Man_711, it may be old news to you and many others, but may not be to some reader of this thread.  (Nov 26, 2013 | post #8)

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Is a ful time pioneer considered to be a Minister by the ...

I thought that was established way back in the 1954 Walsh court case when they were trying to show that JWs should be classed as ministers and thus be given special consideration when it came to the draft.  (Nov 26, 2013 | post #20)

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The WTS UN involvement

For some reason, post number two doesn't seeming to be showing up in the number of comments.  (Nov 26, 2013 | post #3)

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JWs Should Take Personal Responsiblility For Defending Th...

"The Lion thought it might be as well to frighten the Wizard, so he gave a large, loud roar, which was so fierce and dreadful that Toto jumped away from him in alarm and tipped over the screen that stood in a corner. As it fell with a crash they looked that way, and the next moment all of them were filled with wonder. For they saw, standing in just the spot the screen had hidden, a little old man, with a bald head and a wrinkled face, who seemed to be as much surprised as they were. The Tin Woodman, raising his axe, rushed toward the little man and cried out, 'Who are you?' 'I am Oz, the Great and Terrible,' said the little man, in a trembling voice. 'But don't strike me - please don't - and I'll do anything you want me to.'" (From Chapter 15, "The Discovery Of Oz, The Terrible", of the book "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz".) Hooray for those interesting acts of discovery that blow the lid on the facade of self-appointed authority!  (Nov 26, 2013 | post #71)

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JWs Should Take Personal Responsiblility For Defending Th...

In view of the above quotes by Array, I think where the WTS is concerned it's a case of double standards. Apply the logical and reasonable advice to your own religion AS LONG AS ITS NOT OURS.  (Nov 26, 2013 | post #68)

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Do some JW APOLOGISTS HAVE STOCKHOLM SYNDROME?

Interesting possibility. However, I do believe that many JWs become 'institutionalised ', meaning that they cannot function outside of the organization. They become dependent thinkers who rely, as I see it, heavily on their 'captors' . There are a couple of very interesting books by Steve Hassan (a former "Moonie" ) which deal with techniques often used by cults to control the minds of their victims.  (Nov 19, 2013 | post #3)

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