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Can Atheists talk about anything other than "God"?

For the record, not all residents of the Yellowhammer state are functionally illiterate internet heros like friend porter although I will have to admit they do abound the further one ventures into the woods. We have pizza, theater, a passable symphony orchestra We even had a premiere showing here of "The God Who wasn't There" @ Work/Play a few years ago that had quite a turnout. In case you missed it: http://thepirateba y.org/torrent/3812 309/The_God_Who_Wa sn_t_There I was one of the lucky 10,000 who got a free copy for posting a video denouncing that Jesus was the Christ... At any rate please please please do not think this buffoon is indicative of us all. And just in case your Tard rears it's head again friend porter, I can knock a fly off a dog's ass at a considerable distance....Be careful what you wish for ;-)  (Dec 15, 2010 | post #217)

Atheism

New atheism gives voice to some, alienates others

JIC I inadvertently led you down the garden path bro dogmatism - bigotry: the intolerance and prejudice of a bigot I was using the term in this respect not in the context of a belief system.  (Jan 16, 2010 | post #3)

Atheism

The rise of militant atheism

Identical reproduction of the Shroud http://www.cnn.com /2009/WORLD/europe /10/07/italy.turin .shroud/ Cat claims now that he knows how to do it can knock them out in about a week "Professor Garlaschelli today said: ‘Many still believe that the shroud has unexplainable characteristics that cannot be reproduced by human means. But the result obtained clearly indicates that this could be done with the use of inexpensive materials and with a quite simple procedure." http://www.dailyma il.co.uk/sciencete ch/article-1218457 /Shroud-Turin-repl ica-proves-medieva l-techniques-make- relic-say-scientis ts.html  (Jan 16, 2010 | post #3354)

Atheism

New atheism gives voice to some, alienates others

I'm kind of in the same boat as Molly as I find myself stunned at the dogmatism of some of my supposedly antidogma atheist brothers and sisters, I jokingly commented to a chum a few years ago that I was considering resigning my membership in the club in favor of a new movement I had tenatively titled "Be Cool". Since this revelation I have taken to referring to myself as a Freethinker and shall continue to use this moniker until the more vocal of my atheist brothers and sisters cease embarrasing me with their narrowmindedness and dogmatism. As long as they are not on my porch most christians are harmless folk, good natured with vapid smiles. In ways remind me of people with Down's Syndrome, sweet folk who wouldn't harm a fly that you absolutely do not want to lend your car to. Kicking them for sport simply gives their vocal minority of lunatic fringers fodder for their "Atheist's sure are mean" rhetoric and perpetuates silly stereotypes that are too numerous to list; you all know them anyway. There is a psychotic minority of Christians that are dangerous but if you look throughout history, eventually they police this themselves. I am also comforted in the knowledge that "No religion" is the world's fastest growing religion which indicates that superstition is dying out quite nicely on it's own without all that much help from me. If you want a real threat to consider, take a good hard look at Islam. My advice: Be Cool; this problem will take care of itself.  (Jan 16, 2010 | post #1)

Atheism

Myth: Hitler Was an Atheist Who Killed Millions in the Na...

Well, the correct answer to that imo is "Yes and No", it's rather complicated. Yes Hitler was a baptized catholic till his death. Yes, Hitler had a relationship with the church mostly to utilize them as a tool to further his own aims which they joyously complied with in most instances. However Hitler wasn't an actual catholic in any meaningful sense of the word and privately despised the church for their pomp and their wealth and their exploitation of the german people and their historic connection to the jews. He also had concerns that their political influence could stand in juxtaposition to his own so he publicly gave nominal lipservice to the church which allowed him to wear the trappings and to use the complicit church in the furtherment of his own aims. Hitler was similar Kim Jong II in that he effectively crafted his own religion which he quietly fomented behind the scenes as the ultimate replacement for catholicism that was largely his vision of Lutheranism (He was a great admirer of Luther as already stated) given it's entirely Aryan origins, sprinkled with a little paganism which was a product of his exposure to the paganism of the catholics coupled with his own views on the subject. Basically no different that any of the other nuts who see themselves called to spread their own intrepretations of the Mind of God (tm). Hitler was absolutely a god believer but more of a Lutheran than he was a catholic by personal disposition. Now of course this allows for the "Real Christian" tripe that the apologists just love to throw around which is a different argument no matter how flawed but the bottom line is while the catholics can technically get themselves off the hook for his being a functional member of their troupe, they more than make up for this technicality by their complicity in the slaughter of gawd-knows how many thousands (potentially millions, for a great example see the holocaust in Yugoslavia)and their joyous use of the Nazis in an attempt to perpetuate their political dominance in the region.  (Jan 16, 2010 | post #12)

Atheism

Myth: Hitler Was an Atheist Who Killed Millions in the Na...

Hitler drew his insprations in no small part from Martin Luther himself, had a great admiration for the man. Quoted him extensively. He was particularly inspired by Luther's "On the Jews and their Lies", that dirty little book that the Christian just love to not talk about. http://www.humanit as-international.o rg/showcase/chrono graphy/documents/l uther-jews.htm for example: "What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice: First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly_and I myself was unaware of it_will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know. Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them the fact that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God. Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule: if my counsel does not please you, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews ... Do not grant them protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us ... so it is not necessary to burden ourselves also with these alien, shameful vices of the Jews ..."  (Jan 15, 2010 | post #7)

Atheism

The rise of militant atheism

Heh. well, I initially suspected due to his general illiteracy and then finally got him to confirm indirectly after much squirming, dodging, and mindless posting that's he's a Catholic which I was unaware of given my noobiness. As I'm sure you're already aware, Catholics tend to be a little dumber than the average theist as they never really have to do any work to be one. The catholic faith is basically one monstrous meme they pass on while practicing the rhythm method. Holy tomes are secondary to whatever hand of god happens to be on the throne at the time and they basically are little more than drones who wander around spouting the company platform with little if any understanding of the mechanics involved. You'll find a smart one every once in a while but it's pretty rare. This one's just some goofy troll trying to offset the inadequacies he's cursed with. "Ha ha ha, I sure stirred them up" and then back to the real world marking boxes or whatever someone's found that he couldn't possibly screw up. I hear ya @ bear baiting, I am certainly no saint ;-). This one however lacks the capacity to get that particular fire going in me for long, just too damn dumb to waste a good set of zingers on.  (Jan 15, 2010 | post #3218)

Atheism

The rise of militant atheism

My guess would be because it's sort of a sore subject for them. That and "Catholic " and "Exegesis " in the same sentence is sorta like "Great Beer" and "Mexican " in a "makes no sense what-so-ever" sense. Augustine was an ardent supporter of slavery and the Church not only turned a blind eye to the practice but quite a collection of clergy including a variety of Popes were slave owners well in to the the 16th century. In the Roman/Byzantine variants, the practice was a part of every day life until the Muslims finally kicked their asses for them for good in the 16th century. The American branch of the church never condemned the practice even after the war broke out to settle the matter, one could speculate that they were more interested in coming down on the winning side than they were in social justice and probably not be far from the truth of the matter.  (Jan 14, 2010 | post #3175)

Atheism

The rise of militant atheism

Chump to the bitter end I see, so be it.  (Jan 14, 2010 | post #3172)

Atheism

The rise of militant atheism

Run Run as Fast as you Can, you can't catch me I'm the Gingerbread Man" Far be it from me to point out that if your observation was valid it was valid 6 posts ago. You put forth the notion that I have been pantsing you on for the last couple of days in THIS thread Paul. It is a little curious though that as soon as I have you backed into a corner your last ditch attempt after being exposed for what you are is some Chump maneuver. Pitiful, purely pitiful. I believe I'll let you carry on your group troll without the benefit of my time in the future, you're too much of an empty vessle to merit my attention it would appear.  (Jan 14, 2010 | post #3158)

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The rise of militant atheism

I'm starting to come to the conclusion debating with poor Paul could be a total waste of time, he either never reads what you write or is too dumb to address what is contained therein. I have spent probably a total of one hour or so crafting a few posts to him and to date he has yet to address the first one, just blithely wanders in, posts as many responses as he can manage to as many people as possible without addressing the first thing anyone of them were talking about. I am starting to be reminded of an adage about the sound of one hand clapping...  (Jan 14, 2010 | post #3134)

Atheism

The rise of militant atheism

Still never read even a word of my previous post did you Mr troll. Pity, you might have learned something which you appear to be desperately in need of. Ummm, that would be Paul (how in the hell exactly could you possibly forget this in light of the name you bear is totally beyond me) unless Luther lived before Paul did. Let me post some more things for you not to read. Before I do though your intrepretation of Luther's ministry seems to fly directly in the face of recorded history for Luther is called by Catholic, Protestant and even the overwhelming majority of dullards a servant of god, misguided or no which is near universally recognised. Romans 11:6: "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." Now that may be a little too far out into the deep end of the pool for you PAUL but if you read it enough times PAUL you should eventually sink in PAUL and maybe PAUL, allow you to quit making a fool of yourself in public PAUL. I noticed you throwing around a fancy new word in an adacent post PAUL, "exegesis ". Perhaps you would like to explain to us the hermenutical technique you apply PAUL so your particular flavor of dogma can be better understood. And while we are learning fancy new words PAUL, here's another: Eisegesis - The practice of reading into a text the meaning which one wants to get out of it.  (Jan 14, 2010 | post #3133)

Atheism

The rise of militant atheism

6 minutes. You invested 6 whole minutes in studying the bedrock principal of Protestantism and rufuting it. With one line of scripture no less. You're either better than you come off, too dumb to grapple the complexities of the issue or too dogmatic to be open to any kind of information which contradicts something you hold dear. A dearly held concept someone spoon fed you that cost you no valuable time to learn thru scholarship unless I miss my guess.  (Jan 14, 2010 | post #3111)

Atheism

The rise of militant atheism

This is a response? you repeat the same out of context one liner to address the 60 or so verses I cited to demonstrate conclusively just how out of step your are with the realities of your own dogma and all you can manage is this? Obviously, your principal mission here is to babble anything you can think of (as long as it doesn't take more than 12 seconds to both occur to you and adequately research as this could tax us past our capabilities) in some asinine tit for tat contest for your personal aggrandizement? I believe that's called a "troll" in some circles. I'm curious if you even read the post I spent 15 mins putting together and the wealth of information it contained which clearly refutes your pavlovian one-liner...My 7 yr old son could do better.  (Jan 14, 2010 | post #3108)