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Jews don't need to be redeemed -- South Florida Sun-Senti...

Omni, you need to pick up an American history book on our history in the MidEast. The Marines battle hymn ..... 'From the halls of Montezuma To the shores of Tripoli', That is Tripoli, LIBYA in 1804, Omni that is 1804. That date is 203 YEARS AGO. A good starting point for you and just work your way forward. The U.S. was engaged in the MidEast long before Israel was a nation. The U.S. gave tax breaks and tax credits for every well drilled by our oil companies... The American citizens paid ... and paid. The U.S. has trained pilots and soldiers from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Egypt etc.. We would be engaged in the MidEast with or without the prescence of Israel. You really need a world perspective, you are so Israel-centric. Six or seven really good books (ask the librarian for assistance) they are very helpful. Empower yourself ....  (Sep 5, 2007 | post #355)

Jews don't need to be redeemed -- South Florida Sun-Senti...

I don't accept your premise that the attack on 9/11 was 'a lesson we learned the hard way.' You presume that America was being punished in some weird way- that's nuts. Simply nuts.  (Sep 5, 2007 | post #352)

U.S. Offers Israel $30B Aid Package -

The U.S. gives aid to India, too.  (Sep 5, 2007 | post #189)

Ex-Diplomat Testifies for Muslim Charity -

Agree... and this is from the same Newsday article- 'Abingdon spent 30 years in the State Department. He resigned in 1999 and spent seven years at a Washington lobbying firm that represented the Palestinian Authority for as much as $750,000 a year. He said he never worked for Hamas. On cross-examination, prosecutor Barry Jonas questioned Abingdon's objectivity, suggesting that officials in Washington considered him anti-Israeli and close personally to the late Yasser Arafat, who led the Palestinian Authority.' http://www.newsday .com/news/nationwo rld/wire/sns-ap-mu slim-charity-trial ,0,1368762.story $750,000 a year as a lobbyist for the Palestinians.  (Sep 5, 2007 | post #6)

U.S. Offers Israel $30B Aid Package -

Terry- the $30B to Israel is over 10 years. http://www.forbes. com/business/feeds /afx/2007/07/29/af x3963706.html  (Sep 5, 2007 | post #187)

Anger over 'blasphemous' balls

Well, I was there on the forum at page 4, comments 72 and 75, and at page 45, commehnts 917 and 923 and still I do not understand the analogy. The only analogy which would be comparable would be one in which any given country decided to put a religious screed on their flag and then declared that one phrase holy. Shinto, Hindu, Judaism, Baptists, Lutherans, Presbyterians..... I can't think of one phrase which could be put on a flag, can you? So, isn't the Islamic shahada: 'There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah' as it is presented on a country's flag both religious and political? Wouldn't the Islamic shahada have to be considered a political statement as a country's flag is designed by its' citizens to reflect the goals and history and aspirations of that country? The Qu'ran and the Bible are direct comparisons of 'sacred text'. How can a flag- a symbol of state- be holy? So how can a symbol of state be desecrated?  (Aug 31, 2007 | post #978)

Anger over 'blasphemous' balls

The Qu'ran was not desecrated, so I don't understand the comparison to the Bible. It is hard for me to draw an analogy. I don't know of any other religion which has a screed verse on a flag.  (Aug 31, 2007 | post #970)

Anger over 'blasphemous' balls

Agree. The Saudis just want it both ways. Soccer balls with the international flags have been around for years. I have a jacket with a printed silk lining which has all of the intl flags as a mosaic pattern There are keychains, golf balls, coffee mugs etcc. with the international flag design. It's up to the Sauds to either pull their flag and sponsorship, prohibit their citizens from participating < OR> Come up with a design the Sauds do not consider holy For the Olympics For World Soccer For anything that the Saudis will be competing in by country  (Aug 31, 2007 | post #967)

Jews don't need to be redeemed -- South Florida Sun-Senti...

You are just a scared ignorant apologist.  (Aug 31, 2007 | post #329)

Saudi Arabia Bans Bibles, Stars of David

Your posts just become more and more illogical. First you submit a false assertion that 'Hitler under Lutheran religion' murdered the Jews. Then, you assert that - 'Religion is definitely a negative force in the world.' You are such an idjit that you are actually using Hitler's words. 'So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.' From the tenderest age, education will be imparted in such a way that each child will know all that is important to the maintenance of the State. As for the men close to me, who, like me, have escaped from the clutches of dogma, I've no reason to fear that the Church will get its hooks on them. - Hitler  (Aug 31, 2007 | post #946)

Saudi Arabia Bans Bibles, Stars of David

Paul in SC- Hitler's own words prove just how absurd your post sounds. Hitler thought that religion would die out as the benefits of 'the superior German state' goal was realized - 'That's why I've always kept the Party aloof from religious questions. I've thus prevented my Catholic and Protestant supporters from forming groups against one another, and inadvertently knocking each other out with the bible and the sprinkler. So we never became involved with these churches' forms of worship. And if that has momentarily made my task a little more difficult, at least I've never run the risk of carrying grist to my opponents' mill. The help we would have provisionally obtained from a concordat [with the churches] would have quickly become a burden on us. In any case, the main thing is to be clever in this matter and not to look for a struggle where it can be avoided. - Hitler *** At best it can be said that Hitler tolerated religion until the time he felt that the party would be strong enough to take on organized religion and replace it with his 'enlightened superior science.' Paul in SC is so way off base......  (Aug 31, 2007 | post #945)

Saudi Arabia Bans Bibles, Stars of David

I have never read a more ridiculous assertion 'that Hitler used Lutheran doctrine to kill 6 million Jews.' 'To make death easier for people, the Church holds out to them the bait of a better world. We, for our part, confine ourselves to asking man to fashion his life worthily. For this, it is sufficient for him to conform to the laws of nature. Let's seek inspiration in these principles, and in the long run we'll triumph over religion.' 'But there will never be any possibility of National Socialism's setting out to ape religion by establishing a form of worship. Its one ambition must be scientifically to construct a doctrine that is nothing more than a homage to reason.'- Hitler  (Aug 31, 2007 | post #944)

Saudi Arabia Bans Bibles, Stars of David

Hitler railed against Christianity- 'Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of human failure.- Hitler  (Aug 31, 2007 | post #943)

Saudi Arabia Bans Bibles, Stars of David

Hitler revered what he called the naturists. Hitler considered Christianity a crutch, an excuse for the churches to instill fear. 'The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its keynote is intolerance.'- Hitler  (Aug 31, 2007 | post #942)

Saudi Arabia Bans Bibles, Stars of David

You are so wrong. Hitler (like Saudi Arabia) lamented the introduction of the Bible into German- 'It is deplorable that the Bible should have been translated into German, and that the whole of the German Folk should have thus become exposed to the whole of this Jewish mumbo jumbo. So long as the wisdom, particularly of the Old Testament, remained exclusively in the Latin of the Church, there was little danger that sensible people would become the victims of illusions as the result of studying the Bible. But since the Bible became common property, a whole heap of people have found opened to them lines of religious thought which — particularly in conjunction with the German characteristic of persistent and somewhat melancholy meditation — as often as not turned them into religious maniacs. When one recollects further that the Catholic Church has elevated to the status of Saints a whole number of madmen, one realizes why movements such as that of the Flagellants came inevitably into existence in the Middle Ages in Germany.- Hitler  (Aug 31, 2007 | post #941)