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Christian

Religion, higher education and critical thinking

You stated your opinion as fact - you testified to knowing what you were saying was true when you didn't. Here's what you said.............. ... Big Al: "The fact that he has convinced you that the science of educated, professional scientists, is not science..." That's not a "fact", Al,... it's a depiction fiction. And the reason it was an insult, despite it being unintentional, was in claiming I could have been convinced to think science was not science! But the real mystery is how you came to be convinced of something so preposterous. Big Al: "... it's not just my opinion. It's a reality about the use language." Is there a word missing from the second sentence? It's not clear what you're saying about it being more than "just your opinion". Could you explain ? Big Al: ""How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg." - Abraham Lincoln " How many tails does a three-legged dog have if you count the missing leg as 2 tails??  (18 hrs ago | post #9171)

Christian

Religion, higher education and critical thinking

Big Al: "The fact that he has convinced you that the science of educated, professional scientists, is not science..." I hope that's an insult, not an opinion. But there's still a bright side. I'd much rather be thought to be stupid, than actually be! xo  (Thursday | post #9139)

Christian

Religion, higher education and critical thinking

Little Lamb: "And your last sentence reminds me of John Newton who wrote the song " Amazing Grace ' He went from being a trader in slavery to being a Christian and the transformation was wonderful." It's a wonderful LIE. Newton did NOT go "from being a trader in slavery to being a Christian". He went from being a slave trader to being a Christian. slave trader! He continued trading slaves and captaining slave ships for many, many years after he converted. He only quit actively trafficking slaves because he HAD to - he suffered a STROKE. But even then, he still remained involved in the slave trade long afterward, investing heavily in slave-shipping operations from Africa to Caribbean and American ports, and he did so both during his time pursuing theological studies at the seminary up to and including the seven years later when he was finally ordained. And many, many more years would pass after that before he ever participated in the abolition movement, a total of 40 YEARS altogether between the time of his initial conversion and his campaigning to abolish slavery. He wrote "Amazing Grace" 41 YEARS after becoming a Christian. I'm glad you cherish being a Christian. I mean that sincerely. I can see you delight in Christ, as do I. But don't praise people for becoming Christians, and don't praise Christians for BEING Christians. Praise the Lord! It's to HIS credit, not ours. That's why we must take great care that we never, ever do or say anything that might discourage someone who doesn't know Him, from seeking to.  (Thursday | post #9131)

Christian

Evidence Against God

Messianic 114: "So far the oldest claims (which I would dispute) of what we know as humans is about 11,000 years old." But there's much older proofs of humans' existence than that of a mere 11,000 years ago. Hundreds of sites with cave paintings dating between 30,000 to 40,000 years old have been discovered, documented, verified and re-verified ad infinitum. Denying FACTS because of being wholly invested in believing the Bible to be an infallible source of God's Word and all TRUTH, speaks more of NOT having faith in God than of having it, IM (perhaps not so) HO. Messianic 114: "However if I make a religious claim, then it is not expected to be scientific." Well, that's for sure. Non-believers EXPECT religious claims to be irrational, stupid, absurd imaginings of the pathetic delusional believers who make them. And actually, it can be quite fulfilling to disappoint non-believers' expectations whenever one's energy and opportunity allow it!  (Wednesday | post #4288)

Christian

A God Who Disagrees With The Data

Blodewedd: "The existence of evil, is logically inconsistent with an omniscient, omni-benevolent, omnipotent God." Well, that can't be right. Because evil DOES exist. And God IS omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent...... So I would urge you to keep thinking on it until you find a logically consistent explanation for evil existing and God being omni-LOVING. I can promise this much - when you arrive at a correct understanding, it will make perfect sense! Btw, lovely screen name .... "Who'd not rather from flowers be created, ne'er to fade than be formed with a piece from one spit and dirt made?"  (Wednesday | post #160)

Christian

A God Who Disagrees With The Data

If the soul is the person, and the person is the soul, then the soul dies when the person dies. I.e., your soul dies when your body dies, whether the soul/person sins or not. It also means men CAN kill our soul. Right along with your body. DUH.  (Wednesday Jun 22 | post #157)

Christian

The Referendum - 28 Reasons to leave - part9

The link didn't work for me - tried 3 times - it wouldn't open.  (Wednesday Jun 22 | post #2)

Christian

Religion, higher education and critical thinking

This SHOULD have been so far beneath you as to never have occurred to you in thought, much less you to ever have succumbed to the temptation to SAY it.  (Wednesday Jun 22 | post #9120)

Christian

Proof that Christianity is a lie

Osmius: "I believe consciousness is fundamental, whatever that makes me." VAGUE is what it makes you. Imprecise; indefinite.... Consciousness is fundamental....?? To what? For what? In what? It's an all-encompassing, generic blanket statement,... an unspecified generalization that could be taken to mean 'consciousness is fundamental' to ANY and/or EVERY and/or NO thing in particular whatsoever! You've taken non-committal to a heretofore unknown, unattained, profoundly unassailable level of inscrutable inexactitude. (Except, of course, in and of it for being that!) ' Osmius: " Evolution does not explain consciousness. " And neither does "fundamental ". So would you, kindly?  (Wednesday Jun 22 | post #50)

Christian

Religion, higher education and critical thinking

Given your penchant for referring to believers as SCUMS, it's already been made obvious you're a dumbazz, and like all dumbazzes, you think yourself clever and love to hear yourself talk. That of course, in turn, compels you to demonstrate in every comment you post, your most evident and undeniable characteristic,... that of being DUMB. This much is expected and is nothing out of the ordinary. However, if, on occasion, you should excel or surpass your previous demonstrations of DUMBNESS, or our expectations of it, someone may be inclined to point it out for the entertainment of others here, as I am now doing. In this case, I am directing my fellow-posters attention to your accusing BELIEVERS HERE, on this CHRISTIAN Forum, of trying to hide .......: "Why all you scums try to hide when there's nowhere to hide?"!!!!! "HIDE"!! !! LOL, LOL! Get why that's funny?  (Tuesday Jun 21 | post #9117)

Christian

Evidence Against God

What does whether all Christians believe the same thing or not, have to do with what he's talking about in his comment you're replying to? And, just out of curiosity , how would you answer the question you asked him/her........... . "...if you're so smart, why aren't you happy?" P.S. I don't know how happy he/she is or isn't, but I do know he/she is pretty smart, as well as as smart and/or smarter than most of his/her antagonists/detrac tors here. Which is NOT, in any way, to say I don't think that some of the stuff he/she believes isn't as astonishingly mud-witted as it is preposterous, because I do.  (Tuesday Jun 21 | post #4273)

Christian

Evidence Against God

Well, it's nonetheless obvious that you're informed by your own ignorance and prefer your own version of history over reality. At the time the Bible was written, over 93% of the world's population was illiterate. Only the upper-class, the nobility and the wealthy, were formally educated. Sheepherders certainly wouldn't have been among the literate,...i.e., they did NOT author books. What's more, you don't have to have faith to believe. To have faith IS to believe. Just as to not believe is to have faith that what is not believed ISN'T. The difference between believing and not believing is this....... We (people) can believe God exists with 100% certainty. We can KNOW God exists. But we can never KNOW God doesn't exist. Because we CAN'T know something's true that isn't.  (Tuesday Jun 21 | post #4271)

Christian

Religion, higher education and critical thinking

Big Al: "No he simply claims that the scientific conclusions of educated professional paleontologists are "only inferences". That's not "challenging " that's "dismissing ". Actually Al, that's what YOU claim he claims. You make it sound as if he claims ALL of the scientific conclusions of educated professional paleontologists are "only inferences". And you further express YOUR opinion that he's NOT challenging their scientific conclusions by claiming they're "only inferences", he's dismissing them. You not only misportray him as claiming ALL the scientific conclusions of educated professional paleontologists are "only inferences", you assume with prejudice that he's DISMISSING (ALL) their conclusions by doing so. When IN FACT, he DOES NOT claim that (ALL) the scientific conclusions of educated professional paleontologists are inferences, but rather, he challenged specific particular conclusions of paleontologists and pointed out they were inferences, not wholly factual. Big Al: "I value education. I respect educated professional, scientists... " It's one thing to value education, and quite another to make yourself sound like a dumbazz by repeatedly referring to scientists as "educated professional scientists". A SCIENTIST is, by definition, both educated and professional: 1. "A person who is engaged in and has expert knowledge of a science." Referring to scientists as "educated professional scientists" is redundant as well as ignorant. It's like referring to MD.'s as educated professional physicians. Instead of saying, "I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow", you'd say, "Tomorrow I have an appointment with my educated professional physician"! Big Al: "I dismiss his absurd claims because he cannot back them up with evidence." You dismiss his claims BY calling them "absurd" , and you contend various specious criticisms to support their dismissal. However, HE ALWAYS EXPLAINS why he's disputing a scientific conclusion or assertion, while YOU NEVER ADDRESS or DISPROVE what he has said. Big Al: "No it's not just my opinion that the points he makes are based solely on his beliefs." Yes, it IS "just your opinion." And though the mystery remains as to WHY it's unbeknownst to YOU, he thoroughly explains that the point he makes relevant to a scientific conclusion is based solely on the doubtability of the particular conclusion he's challenging. Big Al: "He dismisses the conclusions of educated, professional scientists by saying that they are not following the scientific method." If that were true, then why don't you PROVE the conclusion Messianic is challenging was arrived at by following the scientific method? PROVE he's wrong, instead of just insisting he is. Big Al: "Your attempted defense of messianic114 is admirable but unconvincing. " The same might be said of your attempts to justify your criticism of Messianic, omitting the word "admirable ", and qualifying "unconvincing " by preceding it with "utterly "! Big Al: "I'll take the conclusions of educated, professional scientists over the absurdities of messianic114 any day." The only absurdity evident is your absolute rejection of everything Messianic says without ever addressing it, evaluating it's merits or demerits, or giving any indication whatsoever of your having even comprehended it. But I nonetheless commend you for not having used the "BELIEF" card against him in this reply nearly as much as you did in your previous replies to me on this subject.  (Tuesday Jun 21 | post #9114)

Christian

Was Paul a False Apostle?

SLWC: "I'll break it down for you pretend ignorance." But we already KNOW you can pretend ignorance. How 'bout pretending you're NOT ignorant for a change?  (Friday Jun 17 | post #6467)

Christian

Design, Nowhere Evident

Yes, you CAN believe the Gospel without believing Genesis. You can believe in God without believing in Jesus! You can believe anything you CAN believe. But you CAN'T believe anything you don't! Not that it'll matter when you believe in Jesus... You have everything when you have Christ!  (Friday Jun 17 | post #124)