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Morgellons and Scabies....they are VERY SIMILAR

OPPS...sorry for the double post. I was trying to post this same thing in Morgellons and so far I'm having trouble getting to that forum....again, sorry....  (Apr 20, 2016 | post #2)

Scabies

Morgellons and Scabies....they are VERY SIMILAR

I've been dealing this this for 5 yrs now and for the 1st yr or so I thought it was Scabies. I then met a nurse on one of the web sites for Scabies and Morgellons and Lyme Disease. To make a very long story shorter...Here is what I've found by a great deal of reading and research & studies by others. 1st U need to know that many of us originally thought we had Scabies, because Scabies and Morgellons are so Similar in a number of ways. I feel they are related, just different branches of the same "Mother" disease. Recently that "Mother" disease for Morgellons has been confirmed to be Lyme disease. I was told this a number of years ago by this nurse that I'd met on a Morgellons board. She and her family had spent a great deal of time and money with Doctors and research to find this out and now that information is available to all of us on the internet (just google Morgellons research). As most people know Lyme disease, supposedly, came from a deer tick in the NE U.S.(At least that is what I've found so far, but where it came from, is not the point of this post. What is the point of this post is what works to get rid of it. 1st besides Scabies and MOrgellons being very much alike (and symptoms seem to be idiopathic(a person may have only part of the symptoms or a degree of the symptoms) and I think symptoms as well as treatments that work, vary regional geographically. So from the this point on I think it's really important for people to understand that with the US being so big that symptoms develop at different rates and that cures/treatments will work better in some areas than other areas. So that being said, everyone, please be sure to include what part of the US and the state and the city you live in. I personally live in the San Diego, California area. Here's what's worked for me for the last 5 years: 1) sprinkle your carpets every few days with lots of 20 mule team borax. I use an old salt shaker and that works well. I live in a small 1 bedroom condo and I typically used 2 full salt shakers of borax every few days,a few years ago. Today I only need to do this 1 x a week, after I've vacuumed. 2) in the early stages, you must vacuum every day and throw out the vacuum bag(wrapped in a plastic bag), every day, except when you sprinkle the carpets with borax, leave it on for 24hrs before vacuuming. Now I vacuum 2xs a week (but know I live alone and no one ever comes into my home, as I don't want to in any way spread this, so I've isolated myself. You get used to it and the Internet is great company and so is the TV and the phone. 3) Spray everything, bedding, walls, especially along the ceiling where it meets the walls, the floors, all your cloths, furniture, I do mean everything (that will not be harmed by 91% isopropyl alcohol. 91% Isopropyl Alcohol will kill these things, but once it evaporate, that's it, it will not work any more in my experience. Also spray you entire body and saturate your hair. 4) I've used 65% alcohol based hand cleaner that I get quite cheaply from Walmart. Anytime I felt an itch, I just put some on that spot and the itch was gone. Now I'm using inexpensive baby oil and it's working the same or better. I also use the baby oil in my hair at the roots and that really stops the itching. 5) for your laundry, to kill these things off you need to let your laundry soak a solid 30 min in 1-2 cups of borax. Recently I started to use Kleen - Free and it says to use 1 oz in your laundry. I've not yet done this and not sure I will. I did spray with Kleen Free and it got rid of all the invisible bits and the white and blue lint like balls that seemed to be all over the place, even with spraying with alcohol. But it Kleen Free also leaves a sticky film on floors and a film on mirrors so not sure what it would leave on my cloths in the wash. So when I try this my 1st wash will be with rags! I'VE RUN OUT OF SPACE, SO WILL CONTINUE IN ANOTHER POST.  (Apr 20, 2016 | post #1)

Scabies

Scabies OR Morgellons VERY Similar!

6) Diet is very very important to getting rid of these. If you want them gone, you are going to have to change your diet and get off the sugar and the carbs. It's your life and you are the one suffering, you have to make the choice. I know it's hard. I'm going to thur it and a lot more diet restrictions,(due to other issues....ie autoimmune disorders, brought on by this issue (I think) but it can be done. It's all up how hard you are willing to work at it. 7) Kleen Free, to the best of my knowledge can only get gotten on the internet. I got my liquid gallon from Amazon. Also from my reading I understand you can also use Kleen Green (made by a different co than Kleen Free), is also sold by Amazon. I have not yet tried this, but from reading, I understand it works quite well. There are some other things I've run across that supposedly work, but until I've tried them, I don't want to say anything yet and possibly send someone down a useless dead end. 8) Again, cheap baby oil from Walmart seems to keep the bites away from me.I've also put Kleen Free directly on my skin and that has also helped. 9) Read every day or at least a few times a week on what is new, what has worked and what does not work, in Scabies and Morgellon (I'm sure they are connected). Also, I've found it very helpful to read what has been done in the past as some of those things still work to relieve this miserable problem. Just know that there are a number of things you can try and what works for you may or may not work for someone else (I've not included all the things that others have tried that worked for them, just what is working for me). Don't give up the fight! It's ultra important you keep a positive CAN DO ATTITUDE thru this. There are people who have been cured. You may very be one of them and if you are...Please come back here and tell all of us suffers how you did it and please be sure to add what part of the world, or the US and the city you are in, as I am beginning to think that cures or treatments that work, are regional. If you do all the things I've talked about above, they should help you and may possibly cure you, but know, now you are not (very likely)going to get over this in a week or even a few weeks. It may take a few months or more. I'm still working on it and I've been at this this for 5 years! I don't post often, but know this, I'm reading about this almost everyday and working on finding a cure for myself as well as I have a deep desire to try and help all of rest of you who are suffering, as I know you are, but keep in mind, as I do every day, there is a way to beat this. We just have to keep looking until we unlock the treatments & cure.  (Apr 20, 2016 | post #2)

Scabies

Do you really need a hand held or digital microscope?

Radio Shack here says their small hand held microscope can be ordered online, but if a person is going to all the trouble to order a microscope, I would think going the next step would be wise, so you can better see details of what you are looking at by ordering a digital microscope, but then it will also will cost around $25.00 or more for a digital microscope, where as a hand held microscope will cost approx.$8. and up. There are merits to both microscopes...low cost & portability of the hand held vs being able to video or take photos and being able to make the image much larger to see detail are benefits of a digital microscope. I'd say think about what else you may be able to use your microscope for and let that help you make the decision on which to buy. If you are going to be on the go a lot and buying things where you need to see detail before buying (for example when buying precious stones, or you are a currency collector or geologist, etc) and you have pretty good eye site, then I'd think buying a hand held non digital would be my 1st buy, but if you have a computer with an open USB port and your eyesight is poor and or you are going to be doing things where you'd like to see detail, like studying the difference between mites(or anything tiny), or doing things like detail model making, or tiny detail painting, or repairing tiny things or sewing or looking at electronic circuits), where you will be doing most of your microscope use at home, then I'd buy the digital microscope 1st. I am not sure how the microscope that attaches to the smartphone works, so you'd need read about it to be sure it would work for your needs...but it might work like both the handheld and the digital...it's worth a few min. to read up on it and it could be the perfect answer for those of you with smart phones The main point is, do yourself a big favor and get a microscope so you can be sure what you are dealing with. That is the only way you are going to get correct treatment to get well. After all....for a moment...lets to go to extremes here....Would you would wrap your ankle in an ace bandage just because your joints ached, if you had the flu? In both cases you have achy muscles, but different causes. Same idea with Scabies or bird mites or morgellons, etc. Your symptoms can seem like one thing and yet end up being another, so they would need to be treated somewhat differently. Yes, some parts of the treatment would be the same. Just like if you have the flu you'd want to stay in bed off your feet, you'd do the same thing if you sprained an ankle....but the next steps would be different depending upon what you have. So if you had the flu you'd drink a lot of water and eat soup, but that would do nothing for a sprained ankle...you see what I mean? That is why Bran and I and a number of others are encouraging all of you to get a microscope.If money is the concern, look at getting one of the really inexpensive hand held microscopes and have someone else help you look at your bites if your eye site is not very good. Then you can buy a better digital one when you have more money. The point is, if you are not getting better on your own, or even with the help of a Dr., then if you want to get well, you need to invest some time & a bit of money into helping yourself by finding out what you have (by looking at it under a microscope), then armed with that knowledge, start researching what others with your same symptoms have done to get themselves well.I'm sure you will find a number of different things that have worked over and over for different people, but remember we are all different, so what may work for your neighbor, may not work for your child.Bottom line, my suggestion, to save yourself a lot of mental anguish, be prepared to do at least 3 + treatments, giving each treatment 7-11 day window to see if you will improve on that treatment. IF you don't improve, move on to the next treatment.  (Mar 19, 2014 | post #2)

Scabies

Do you really need a hand held or digital microscope?

I'm reposting this because it was on another thread (& might not be easily found) and it's really important ---------------- bran0406 wrote: please buy a microscope!!$12 @ radio shack.. i would bet money the specks u see are fibers, not mites.. this will mean ur dealing w lyme and co infections.. it is worth at least checking.. cooking oil will pull scabies to the surface, that is how we got identified, but it also pulls a lot of other black specks to surface, that we thought were dead mites, but they were fibers.. the fibers mean Lyme(disease) and co infections.. if you have been battling for awhile and you don't check this, you will probably regret it.. ...Here in the San Diego area, Radio Shack doesn't carry them, neither does Walmart or a dozen other stores I've checked. The only place I can find that has one, is Toys are US, but then it's a toy & price is as high(or higher)than buying a real microscope on Amazon or eBay. Word of caution if anyone buys a digital microscope on line(a microscope you plug into your USB port on your computer. It's drivers & instruction manual typically come on a CD), be sure to check what size CD your computer will run. Most of the digital microscopes I've seen come with a compact CD for the drivers & instruction manual. My computer won't run the compact CD,. so I have to find a digital microscope that runs on a driver download or a regular CD.I prefer a digital microscope because I can easily see what I'm looking at on my computer screen and it will also take a digital photo and video of what I'm looking at. ...the digital microscope I'm talking about buying can be found on on Amazon or eBay. (A digital microscope connects to your computer via your USB port to your computer. The ones' I've looked at you can enlarge what you are looking at to see very good detail, which you do need to see be sure of which mite you have). The less expensive digital microscopes are running about $25.00 for the 25X-200X(on eBay & on Amazon as of 3-14-14, and they go up from there. Also from what I've read, those digital microscopes in the price range of approx $25.-$65.00 are not a continuous magnification.You see one or the other setting. This I can't verify as I've not yet seen any of these microscope working. Mine came with a compact CD and my computer won't play a compact cd, so I'm trying to get that worked out and get another one. There are also cheaper microscopes that are not digital that you can use with your smartphone and others that are just a stand alone handheld microscope that almost look like a little telescope so you can use it easily all over your body and the one's I've seen(on Amazon & eBay) will easily fit in your pocket, but if you don't have really good eyesight, do consider getting a digital microscope. Mostly, I've seen these smaller hand held microscopes for under $25.00.  (Mar 19, 2014 | post #1)

Scabies

Tea Tree Oil treating scabies?

Radio Shack here says it can be ordered online, but if a person is going to all the trouble to order a microscope, I would think going the next step would be wise, so they can better see details of what they are looking at by ordering a digital microscope, but then it will also will cost around $25.00 or more for a digital microscope, where as a hand held microscope will cost approx. $8. and up. There are merits to both microscopes...low cost & portability of the hand held vs being able to video or take photos and being able to make the image much larger to see detail are benefits of a digital microscope. I'd say in you are going to be on the go a lot and buying things where you need to see detail before buying (like when buying precious stones, or you are a currency collector or geologist) and you have pretty good eye site, then I'd think buying a hand held non digital would be my 1st buy, but if you have a computer with an open USB port and your eyesight is poor and or you are going to be doing things where you'd like to see detail, like studying the difference between mites(or anything tiny), or doing things like detail model making, or sewing or looking at electronic circuits), where you will be doing most of your microscope use at home, then I'd buy the digital microscope 1st. I am not sure how the microscope that works with the smartphone works, so you'd need read about it to be sure it would work for your needs...but it might work like both the handheld and the digital...it's worth a few min. to read up on it. The main point is, do yourself a big favor and get a microscope so you can be sure what you are dealing with. That is the only way you are going to get correct treatment to get well. After all....for a moment...lets to go to extremes here....Would you would wrap your ankle in an ace bandage just because your joints ached, if you had the flu? In both cases you have achy muscles, but different causes. Same idea with Scabies or bird mites or morgellons, etc. Your symptoms can seem like one thing and yet end up being another, so they would need to be treated somewhat differently. Yes, some parts of the treatment would be the same. Just like if you have the flu you'd want to stay in bed off your feet, you'd do the same thing if you sprained an ankle....but the next steps would be different depending upon what you have. So if you had the flu you'd drink a lot of water and eat soup, but that would do nothing for a sprained ankle...you see what I mean? That is why Bran and I and a number of others are encouraging all of you to get a microscope.If money is the concern, look at getting one of the really inexpensive hand held microscopes and have someone else help you look at your bites if your eye site is not very good. Then you can buy a better digital one when you have more money. The point is, if you are not getting better on your own, or even with the help of a Dr., then if you want to get well, you need to invest some time & a bit of money into helping yourself by finding out what you have (by looking at it under a microscope), then armed with that knowledge, start researching what others with your same problem have done to get themselves well.  (Mar 18, 2014 | post #167)

Scabies

Tea Tree Oil treating scabies?

cont. post...the microscope I'm talking about buying on Amazon or eBay is a digital microscope, meaning you hook it up, via your USB port to your computer. With the ones' I've looked at you can enlarge what you are looking at to see very good detail, which you do need to see be sure of which mite you have. The less expensive ones are running about $25.00 for the 25X-200X and they go up from there. Also from what I've read, those digital microscopes in the price range of approx $25. - $65.00 are not a continuous magnification.You see one or the other setting. This I can't verify as I've not yet seen any of these microscope working. Mine came with a compact CD and my computer won't play a compact cd, so I'm trying to get that worked out and get another one. There are also cheaper microscopes that are not digital that you can use with your smart phone and others that are just a stand alone handheld microscope that almost look like a little telescope so you can use it easily all over your body and the one's I've seen(on Amazon & eBay) will easily fit in your pocket, but if you don't have really good eyesight, do consider getting a digital microscope. Mostly, I've seen these smaller hand held microscopes for under $25.00.  (Mar 18, 2014 | post #165)

Scabies

Tea Tree Oil treating scabies?

Bran you might not be aware, but here in the San Diego area, Radio Shack doesn't carry them, neither does Walmart or a dozen other stores I've checked. The only place I can find that has one, is Toys are US, but then it's a toy & price as as high as buying a real microscope on Amazon or eBay. Word of caution if anyone buys a microscope on line, be sure to check what size CD your computer will run. Most of them come with a compact CD for the drivers & instruction manual. My computer won't run the compact CD,. so I have to find a microscope that runs on a driver download or a regular CD.  (Mar 18, 2014 | post #164)

Scabies

Morgellons and Lyme from mite infections

Fred, I'm in the process of reading all you've posted on this thread, as I'm very interested in what you have to say and I'm going to try a number of things you've already talked about, but my question at the moment is OT. I don' t see any way to contact you, so all I can is ask here....I appreicate your indepth knowledge of the human body and how it works.So I'm hoping you also are as knowledgeable about the human brain. Have you posted to any foru or written on any web sites about the brain? If you have, please let me where as I'd like to read what you've posted and if you have not posted to any thread or site about the brain, do you know of any web sites you think are informative and reliable and ones you would recommend for reading?  (Mar 15, 2014 | post #476)

Scabies

How To Stop The Crawling And Biting Sensations From Mites

Will you ideas work in the US? I see you are not in the US. From my reading, seem like different things work better depending up on what part of the US you are in. BTW where is Doha, Qatar?  (Mar 11, 2014 | post #56)

Scabies

How To Stop The Crawling And Biting Sensations From Mites

Question...on this point..".I found that despite regular use of Borax, high heat dryer, and so on, the mites survived in certain clothing. Sweatpants, sweatshirts seemed to be the primary carriers, despite heavy washing." Have you bagged your cloths for 3+ day and then checked to see if the mites are still alive? From what I've read on various forums here and on other sites, these things live just 3 days off of a human, unless they have lots of dead skin (from unwashed bedding or dirty clothes to live on) Since you've washed and dryed them I'd think all the dead skin cells would be gone. How did you discover that they were surviving the wash and dry? I'd hate to get rid of some my favorite like new comfy sweats & fleece clothes if there is some way to save them.Can you tell me if you know of a way to be sure if they are still alive in my clothes?  (Mar 11, 2014 | post #55)

Scabies

new to this madness

I forgot to add, I take capsules. 120 to a bottle, 1000 mg each capsule. The capsules are easy to open, so I'd imagine if you wanted to make cream, you could use the MSM in the capsules, but I know nothing about doing that, so you'd need to google how to do that. Also while you are at it, if you've read up on Olive Leaf Extract, get that too...I really feel it helps...I get 500 mg of Natural Factors Olive Leaf Extract.Olive leaf is known to help with lots of things, not only viruses, but also for cleaning parasite debris out of your body and if you look it up...Scabies is a well known parasite...and it's inside as well as outside of your body and Olive Leaf Extract helps your body get rid of the leftover debris from these things (BTW you can get this brand on Amazon and at most health food store) I only know about this brand, Natural Factors, others may work as well, but I've only say this brand works for me and has worked for me and anything I've used it for, for the last few years  (Mar 9, 2014 | post #37)

Scabies

new to this madness

I get the MSM brand I use at the Rite Aid chain of drug stores. I think they are nation wide. I've been happy with their brand, it works for me. If you have Rite Aid in your area, they could carry it it, just google it and call them and see if they have it...they should..Hope that helps  (Mar 9, 2014 | post #36)

Scabies

new to this madness

Wendy, I really wish I had a perfect answer for you, but to be honest, much of what works is trial and error, because the treatments need to be so individualized...a fter all we all have different chemistry, so it's just natural that what works for one person may or may not work for another. That being said, here's what I did when I 1st came down with these. For the 1st 2 days I read like crazy on the forums, because I wanted to know what other people who were actually suffering with this same thing did that helped them. I started reading the current posts 1st them worked back for 2 years, but at 1st I mostly only read posts with titles that sounded like they may have a few ideas that would work for me.So I may have missed some things, but I did find a lot that did help that was natural or alternative meds, and that was what I was looking for. Since I've been thru years of being ill with something else, I know most Dr.s don't have answers for things like this. If they did, this forum would not exist. There would be no need for it. So I wanted to go the natural route 1st, full well knowing if that didn't work within a short period of time, I could move on to the Dr.s and to Rxs. I believe in having 2 -3 plans of action for anything I do, and especially when I'll looking for answers for a health issues. So I'm not sure what you've done so far, but I'd seriously suggest as well as reading back over this forum, and others, you start to do a few things ASAP...like tonight...If you've not isolated your bed and wrapped it and your pillow in plastic, do so ASAP...tonight...i f you want to get any sleep and this is no guarantee, but it will help. Next, stop eating any sugar. No you won't find much on this idea...but it's true for a number of people, sugar makes these things bite more. Also, go to Walmart (because it will have all these items and it's also cheapest in my area to buy all these things)...and you can get some at a 99 cent store. Now these are just suggestions on things I've read on this forum that have worked for others and that also worked for me...now they didn't' work for everyone..but they did help most people. I'd suggest you buy: Dawn dish soap, Head and Shoulders ,menthol (refresh), Aveeno body lotion, at least 5 bottles of 91% alcohol, large can of Lysol spray, lots of big garbage can size bags (200 & clear is better.(I got them cheapest at Costco) several 2 gallon size bags (for your clean clothes, I got them cheapest at the 99 cent store). 6 bottles of hand sanitizer , Swan brand at WAlmart (88 cents each here, also they will not be with the other hand sanitizers, so you have to ask where they are), 6 more bottles of hand sanitizer from the 99 cent store (this is the same size as the Swan, but it's thicker and good to put on your hair and any place you don't' want it to run), 3 large boxes of Arm & Hammer baking soda (it will be in the laundry soap department, 2 big boxes of borax, 1 large roll of plastic, 25' x 10' (in the paint department), L"Oreal hair conditioner (in a black & gold bottle..this is what I use and it keeps my hair soft), a back scrub brush, 6 packages of women's Kotex like pads (get them at the 99 cent store, 14 to a package. 1 package costs 99 cents) If you don't have them, get an OTC big bottle of allergy meds ( I got mine at Costco for $8.00 for about 100 pills & they are the same formula as Benadryl, but much cheaper) Ok off the top of my head I think that is it...but click on my name and go back & read my posts to be sure I've told you everything. Let me know how you are doing..OK?...Good Luck & come back daily & read & post...& don't let this get you down!  (Mar 9, 2014 | post #35)

Scabies

new to this madness

I really do understand how you feel and the fear you must feel even thinking about the idea of not treating daily. I know I had that fear when I slowed down. You know your own body and you have to go by that, but I can tell you for sure that some antibiotics do not work on certain things, especially if it's a virus. Antibiotics will not work on Viruses. By any chance have you looked into Garlic Leaf Extract (it's for Viruses and it will also work as an antibiotic, most things will not do that) ? If not, you might want to do that, as I've taken it and I feel certain that it helped kill internal parasites ( I've read many sites that talk about how it does kill most internal parasites (it may kill all of what a person has, it just depends upon what a person has). I still take 500 mg of Garlic Leaf Extract daily along with 1000 mg of odorless Garlic tabs (which only works on bacterias. Garlic won't work on Viruses) Actually only a few things will work to kill viruses Olive Leaf Extract is one that will work. Do you have a microscope? Have you done a scraping or has a Dr.? There are other things that mimic Scabies, but (sorry to say) that are actually worse...like Morgellons. Bran thinks I now have Morgellons (it mimics Scabies). I hope I don't, but I'll find out soon enough. Just as soon as I can get my microscope hooked up and I can look at them on my computer. I bought a microscope off eBay, and it came last week, but with a small DVD disk and my computer needs a larger DVD disk, so I'm waiting for the seller to contact me to tell me how to resolve this...then I can check to be sure what I have now and what I had 2 months ago . 2 months ago, each day I collected the ones I had and taped them to sheets of white paper, so I have them for comparison. I really do wish you the best and hopefully you'll find some ideas on here that will help you feel better really soon.  (Mar 9, 2014 | post #33)