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Cat ivermectin info: http://www.pandeca ts.com/x/ivermecti n-dosing.shtml Dog iver info (read demodex treatment for toy breeds): http://www.vetinfo .com/ddemotreat.ht ml more dog info: http://www.boston- terriers.com/demod ex.htm More iver info: http://www.revival animal.com/store/p /274-Ivomec-1-.asp x Dr Jeromin’s articles see the ones on cheylatiella in particular: http://veterinaryn ews.dvm360.com/dvm /author/authorDeta il.jsp?sort=null &pageNo=2& start=9&id=279 Promeris. Note:Cat Promeris does not contain Amitraz, which is the mite killing ingredient and is toxic to cats: http://entirelypet s.ecomm-search.com /search?query=prom eris&x=0&y =0 More fun with Amitraz. This stuff is very harsh and smelly. I have used it on my dogs, but much prefer Promeris: http://www.beagles unlimited.com/heal th/sarcoptic-mange -and-inexpensive-t reatment Sulfur Lyme dip. According to my vet the most nontoxic mite treatment out there for both cats and dogs. Really stinks and will stain white fur kind of dingy: http://www.entirel ypets.com/limedipl us16.html Misc: http://vetmedicine .about.com/gi/o.ht m?zi=1/XJ&zTi= 1&sdn=vetmedic ine&cdn=homega rden&tm=6& f=20&su=p284.9 .336.ip_&tt=2 &bt=0&bts= 0&zu=http%3A// www.vetcontact.com /en/pdf.php%3Fk%3D 35  (Sep 27, 2010 | post #12)

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I have been mite free since last winter. I have 4 young kids and 6 animals. I have lots of carpet, which I didn’t tear out. I have a big old house. I did not throw away my furniture or clothing, or get rid of my pets. If I can do it so can you. Hopefully, you will find less extreme methods. I will post my favorite links and sources, but I probably won’t come back often, if at all. Peace and health to you all. Itchygirl  (Sep 27, 2010 | post #11)

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Something else on skin-Once we eradicated the mites, both my sister and I had a continuation of the crawly feelings, without the bites. At first we thought they were juvenile mites affected by the IGR’s we were spraying, but we eventually figured out that they left us both with fungal infections. The crawly feelings stopped when sprayed with antifungal spray. So we both went on antifungals. My sister used a prescription pill, I used an athletes’ foot spray and Nizoral shampoo daily for a couple of weeks. General observations- The mites that I had were NOT human scabies mites. I post on this forum because I was diagnosed as having scabies for a long time, and I’m sure that there are others in the same boat. My mites managed to survive for long periods off of a host, and infested my attic and closets, and clothing that hadn’t been worn for months. They were quite comfortable breeding on my cats and dogs, and in my dirty laundry and carpets. They seemed to like infesting cloth, fiberfill, cardboard, insulation and unfinished wood. They would move from room to room and floor to floor when I sprayed. They also moved up into dressers when I sprayed the carpet. They seemed to attack me more when a fan was running, so I think that they let themselves blow around until they find a host. I was never able to see them, even after months of trying with a pocket scope. The closest I came was a multitude of little white flakes on my mattress cover that looked like a yellowish amoeba with a black center when scoped. Definitely organic. I think that they were eggs. They seemed to be on a 3 day breeding/hatch cycle, causing many of the weekly treatment regimens to be ineffective. They seem similar to cheylatiella, but cheylatiella is only supposed to survive 3 weeks off host, and mine survived in stored items much longer than that. So I’m not sure exactly what I had, and probably never will be.  (Sep 27, 2010 | post #10)

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Systemic-I tried different supplements, including garlic and sulfur, and altering my diet. At the time I wasn’t treating my environment, just my bedding and personal items (I still thought it was scabies), so my lack of results may have been due to the overwhelming numbers in my environment. But my results were minimal at best. I ordered ivermectin from Magicpharma, but discovered it was nowhere near as strong as the single dose of stromectol that my doctor gave me. I tried ivermectin horse paste as a topical after finding a study on it, but it didn’t seem to get the ones under calluses or crusty spots. I subsequently found out that it is very easily absorbed by skin and would probably be easy to overdose like this if not careful. I finally broke down and ate the paste. It was, by far, my best weapon for the ones on my body. The dosage per pound for horses and humans is the same, and some brands are marked between the 250 pound marks in 50 pound increments, so it is not hard to get a correct dosage. I took a lot of iver over about a 6-8 month period with no ill effects, except when I was taking it daily (yes I know I’m insane). When I was taking it daily I woke up one night with my arms twitching rapidly. I also noticed that my breathing seemed a little shallow, but this may have been a leftover effect from the Diatomaceous Earth. Not sure. I hadn’t slept more that 4 hours a night for months at that point, so who knows. Every three days did not seem to bother me, and my bugs seemed to run on a three day hatch cycle, so that is mostly what I did. I tried to give myself as many breaks as possible using the Sardex or DE when I could, and cut back to weekly when things got under control. Iver is metabolized by the liver, and I worry that I may have set myself up for liver problems down the road.  (Sep 27, 2010 | post #9)

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Hair- My head was a real problem spot for me. I developed crusty spots on my scalp that topicals seemed to have a hard time penetrating. The itching and crawling in these spots was maddening. I used 45% perm dog flea spot on for crusty spots on my head. Very careful to use only a small amount on the worst spots or it gave me headaches. Bought it from the dollar store. Sergeants, I think. I was careful to keep it away from the cats as it is very toxic to them. I tried lots of flea shampoos as well as benzyl peroxide pet shampoo with minimal results. BB also worked in my hair but was stinky. During the day I found that products with dimethicone helped. It is not as good as some of the stinky stuff, but it didn’t make me smell like a freak. One of the posters on here discovered Biosilk, but it was pricy and I didn’t like the scent. Wal-Mart has FX Silk Drops hair serum- much the same, lighter scent and much cheaper. I also used it on my skin. Lice free and some personal lubricants also contain dimethicone in sufficient amounts. There are some skin protectant lotions that have it, but I think that the concentration isn’t high enough. They didn’t work for me. My sister used Cornhuskers lotion in her hair. She said that it dried a little crunchy but looked fine for work. I shampooed with Head and Shoulders extra strength or Nizoral.  (Sep 27, 2010 | post #8)

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My body- I ordered and tried medicine from around the world, and it turns out that the things that worked best for me were easily available at my local farm supply. My best topical was Benzyl Benzoate. After ordering a bottle of Benzemul from Australia, I discovered that bb can be found here in a very similar concentration in Sardex Mange Spray. Convenient spray form, too. I used it a lot at night. It builds up in your jammies and works as a repellant, too. It also repels humans-it is pretty stinky. Limited usefulness on dogs due to their fur, and can’t be used on cats. Another stinky thing that worked for me is sublimed sulfur and Eucarin. This is very nontoxic, but it will trash your skin and ruin your clothes. It stains and the smell does NOT come out of synthetic fleece, no matter how many times you wash it. I kept a container of baking soda and water along with a rag to neutralize it when I rubbed my eyes. Stops the burn immediately. I did about a 25% concentration of sulfur to cream. This is very heavy. Most people do 10%. I tried it in lotion, but the heavy cream in a jar worked better. I used generic Eucarin from Wal-Mart. All in all, I liked BB better. I washed in unscented Arm and Hammer. I would fold a small scoop into the center of a washcloth and scrub with it in the shower. I would also wash my one child in it when he got occasional itchies. I really didn’t treat my other children past the initial perm treatments; the bugs didn’t seem to bother them. My husband would occasionally get crawlies from playing with the dogs or cats, but the mites didn’t really like him. When they did get on him they would usually go for his head or body hair. If I were near they would abandon him for me. He would spray himself with Windex before showering and no more mites.  (Sep 27, 2010 | post #7)

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Bedding- I sealed my mattresses and pillows in plastic. I put away my comforters, as the bugs seem to really like breeding in fiberfill. I washed my sheets and sprayed my mattress cover with Windex every night at first, then every three days once I got some control. Once again washed in Arm and Hammer. Once I discovered the no pest strip thing I cut back to my normal washing schedule. Pets-I took a couple of my animals to Dr. Alice Jeromin after reading some of her articles and getting a recommendation from a friend. She is an excellent veterinary dermatologist with a three month waiting list for new patients. She did numerous scrapes on both pets over about an hour, but was unable to find a mite. She said that that was not unusual. She diagnosed probable cheylatiella and had me put all of them on heavy doses of interceptor since I had tried most of the topical stuff, including revolution and frontline, with no luck. I did that for three weeks. It seemed to clear them, but within a few days of completing the treatment it came back. I got another supply, and did another three weeks. Once again it came back. The three week dosage ran $350 for my animals (that was at Dr. Jeromin’s cost – she did not mark up the meds), and I couldn’t afford to continue this treatment, even if the doc would agree to another round. So I had to find an alternative. I began researching ivermectin as a remedy for my animals. I had been using it on myself, but was afraid to try it on my animals after a toxic reaction in one of my cats early on. I had followed the Merck veterinary manual dosage instructions for cats and put my little old lady in the hospital for four days. Not good. I eventually found dosage instructions that worked on cats without killing them on the Pandecats site. I dosed every three days in an ear and it worked well. I did work up to that gradually, just in case. I put my dogs on a mange regimen, which consists of daily ivermectin dosages. I gave it to them orally on a piece of bread, which they snarfed. I have two herding dogs, so I did a mail in genetic test for ivermectin sensitivity before doing this. Several breeds of dogs, including many herding dogs, can carry a genetic defect, which causes ivermectin to be fatal to them. My dogs are now all on Promeris, which seems to work. One of them picks up mites in the yard regularly if she is not treated with something at all times. There are some reports of toxic reactions to Promeris, but I’ve had no problems. Just in case, I always dose with new products on a weekday during my vet’s regular hours.  (Sep 27, 2010 | post #6)

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Another thing I used liberally was Roach Prufe boric acid. I have found Roach prufe to be superior to other brands. It is finer and sticks better. I used a rose duster and hit all of my storage spaces, as well as walls with it. You really can’t see it if it is puffed on painted walls. I tossed it through a fan into my attic. I worked it down into my carpets. I originally used it in my hair on my skin as well as in my bed as it was non stinky and seemed to work. (I was soooo desperate for relief). I was fine for a couple of months, then began having pain in my feet and legs in the morning. I thought I was developing arthritis, but then I realized that it was related to how much exposure I had to boric acid that day. I’m pretty sure I was pretty close to poisoning myself. Once I laid off on the body treatments the ‘arthritis’ cleared up and I had no lasting effects. No one else was affected by the boric acid. My third big gun was Hot Shot No Pest Strips. These are not flypaper strips or mothballs. They contain dichlorvos, which is released into the air. They were pulled off of the market for reevaluation by the EPA and were just cleared again when I was towards the end of my mite fight. If they had been there sooner it probably wouldn’t have taken me a so long. I used them in storage spaces, attic space, closets, and my laundry room. I cleared my infested bed during the day by standing one up on top for the bedding and covering the bed with a large plastic drop cloth. I did the same with an infested dresser, and kept one in a plastic bag to which I added my jammies in the morning and my shoes and jacket when I came home. It cleared them for use by the time I pulled them out. I was careful to air everything out before wearing/using/slee ping in. A no pest strip in a garbage bag full of dirty clothes would clear it in about 2-3 days. Ditto for comforters and pillows. I left infested upholstered furniture for about 7 days under a plastic sheet. I kept one in my car every night, and aired it before driving. I also hung one in over my dogs sleeping area. You are not supposed to use them around animals, but dichlorvos has been used to control mites in kennels and in farm applications, and flea collars for years, so I figured it was pretty safe. I still use them in my storage spaces. I mark the date on them with sharpies as they only last four months. There are warnings on the back that advise limited exposure. Food grade diatomaceous earth in small amounts also has some limited usefulness. I used it with abandon at first and wound up with a chronic cough and burnt up electronics, but still had bugs. I learned to use a very small amount in my bed, away from my face to catch any stray buggies that wandered across the sheets. I tried it on my skin mixed with oil (I used coconut) and it didn’t do anything for me. I also used it in a shaker on my cats. They don’t mind it as much as chemicals, and it helps. Again, away from their faces. I do not think that it is a cure in and of itself, at least in my case.  (Sep 27, 2010 | post #5)

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The way I got rid of them was by fighting them on all fronts, full tilt, for months. Difficult to do with all of the baggage I have, but we have been mite free since last winter. If I had known at the beginning some of the things I know now, it would have been much faster. Here are the things that worked for me. These methods were found after much trial and error. Many came from posters on this site or on birdmites.org, and some came from conversations with my sister and other mite sufferers. Laundry- Arm and Hammer Powder, scented or unscented. Or I added Arm and Hammer washing soda to my detergent. Either one works. I use it in a front loader with no ill effects. I am still using it to this day. All contain sodium carbonate. That seems to be the magic ingredient. Do not use A& H liquid. It doesn’t have sodium carbonate. A & H worked better for me than ammonia, borax, microwaving, boiling, hot water, etc. etc. Soda ash, used for pools, is also composed of sodium carbonate. I bought some but never tried it. I kept dirty clothes in sealed bags and tried not to touch them. Added a Hot Shot No pest strip (more about this later). Environment- Cyonara mixed with an IGR is my poison of choice. My sister used Tempo and an IGR. Both available from doyourownpestcontr ol. Com . Expensive, but a little goes a long way. The IGR is important; it cuts down on their ability to breed. A garden sprayer worked nicely for applying this. I was careful to cover up, and I started wearing safety glasses when spraying overhead after getting a drop in my eyes. During the worst of it I sprayed every three days, which is far more often than I was supposed to. When I needed something in a hurry I used Hot Shot Ant and Roach with Lambda-cyalothrin (not sure on spelling). It was the first ting I found that would clear my car, but it gives me headaches, so I kept looking. There are lots of different hot shot formulations, so I was careful to check labels. Many other home use type pesticides are pretty useless including roach and flea bombs.  (Sep 27, 2010 | post #4)

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My parrot began squawking and plucking his feathers, which he had never done in the 18 years that I had him. He had chronic respiratory problems, and eventually died from them. But I also believe that he had a mite infestation before he went. My dogs never showed any signs of mites, but I had one in particular that always made me feel crawly when she rubbed against me. I also noticed that I got the worst pinpricks where the animals touched me frequently; my upper arms from holding the cats and my legs to mid thigh from the dogs leaning on me. After my sister got mites from us, we realized that they were not human scabies, since there was no contact between her and my husband, and we had taken extraordinary precautions against spreading scabies. We later figured out that the closet that the suitcase came out of was infested, and that the mites we had were much hardier and more difficult to kill. In some ways I was happy to realize that they were environmental mites, rather than a mutant form of human scabies. Now I had something that I could fight. After months of fighting them on my skin, bedding and clothing with no real advances, I was beginning to lose hope that I would ever be free. And the fact that they were invisible, and I felt like I couldn’t talk to anyone about them, made me feel very isolated. Fortunately my husband believed me and stood beside me, which doesn’t seem to be too common with this crap.  (Sep 27, 2010 | post #3)

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This continued until June with no relief in sight. My dermatologist was at a loss, and diagnosed resistant scabies. She gave me many doses of perm, which I used on my whole family. It worked to some extent while I had it on, but seemed to offer no permanent solution. My family was fine throughout this ordeal, so I decided to quit poisoning them, and just continue my policy of limited physical contact; hard to do with young kids. I asked my derm for Eurax lotion which I read about. It also worked while I had it on, and was much less toxic, so I slept with it nightly. (the price of this lotion has since gone up so high in the US that it's no longer feasible for most of us to use it regularly, even with insurance). I also tried many of the remedies posted on this forum as well as birdmites.org . In June, my husband had a business trip out west, near where my sister and her family live. He planned on staying an extra day to see some friends, so my sister invited him to stay at her house and have dinner with her family. He dosed himself with perm a week before leaving, then again the night before. We had no physical contact during that time. I was handling all laundry with rubber gloves by that point, and the suitcase he used had been unused for many months. All of his personal items were soaked in hot water, bleach, etc. He had experienced no crawlies or itching, this was just a precaution. But three days after he returned home, my sister called freaking out. She, too, began getting biting sensations and pinprick marks. In the coming weeks she developed much the same symptoms as I had. And her family was also largely unaffected. She had had scabies as a teen, and she told me that it did not feel like scabies. She had never felt the hard bites with scabies, just intense itching. Soon our cats (my sister’s as well as mine) began to develop symptoms that included head shaking, foot chewing and twitchy skin. Of my two, one was much worse than the other. She developed scabs over her eyes after a while, and her skin twitched almost continuously. She also had quite a bit of dandruff. Of course she quit twitching at the vet’s when she was under stress. My vet said that since there was no hair loss, my animals didn’t have mange, and were fine. I knew that they weren’t: I woke up one night with intense biting and pinpricks on one foot and leg. When I looked down, I realized that the worst cat had snuck into my room and was laying on the blanket, right on top of where I was getting bit.  (Sep 27, 2010 | post #2)

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Hello all, I was a frequent poster on this forum for quite some time, but it got pretty contentious so I quit posting last spring. I had a chance to look at the forum now that my kids are back in school and see that a lot of the same questions are coming up. I tried many things to get rid of mites in my year+ mitemare, and I would like to share my experiences. Please note that this is not advice, just an account of what I did. It is, in particular, NOT medical, veterinary, or pest control advice. I am not qualified in any of these areas. I am also not interested in debating my methods, I am just sharing my story. First a little background: In October of 2008 my family, which at the time consisted of myself, my husband, 4our kids, 4 big dogs, 2 cats and a parrot, moved into a 3,500sq. ft. house in the Midwest. The house is about 60 years old and has wonderful mature trees around it with lots of wildlife. The house and yard were very clean and well kept, having belonged to a pair of 'snowbirds' who had maid and yard service for the property. Shortly after moving in, two of my kids and myself became itchy and developed rashes. My husband and the other two kids were unaffected. We went to the doctor and were diagnosed with scabies. Several months and two doctors later, my kids were fine, but I was getting worse and worse. I had continual crawly feelings, with lots of biting sensations at night, especially on my scalp. The rash had gone away, but was replaced by thousands of very tiny pinprick marks. I had taken to (not) sleeping alone on a plastic covered mattress and limiting contact with my husband and children. I spent every night covered in sulfur and Eucarin cream, and was ruining all of our clothes by soaking them in scalding water, borax and ammonia. I kept my laundry separate and wiped everything that I touched with alcohol or bleach. All of my animals were on frontline, which is supposed to work for mites. But still I wasn't getting better, I was functioning on 4 hours or less of sleep a night, and nobody seemed to be able to help. Over the next several months I consulted several doctors, pest control experts and veterinarians, to no avail.  (Sep 27, 2010 | post #1)

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Mine came from my animals. You can do it. I used bb nightly (sardex mange spray), sprayed my house and vehicles with Cyonara +IGR and took iver every three days for a while. Then knocked it to once a week. All gone. I used a lot of boric acid as well, but I no longer recommend that as I began to have side effects from it. Keep treating the cats. Soon this will be just a yucky memory.  (May 18, 2010 | post #31)

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Darn. Just looked Maleseb up. It is antifungal and antibacterial. It has miconozol nitrate so its probably great for ringworm. It also has an antibacterial ingredient. Mites, not so much. My educated guess per the ingredients. But I could be wrong??????  (May 17, 2010 | post #27)

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Bitey, I did pretty much what you did. I put my cats in the shower with the door shut. I put the cat in a plastic storage bin and poured/sponged the dip over them. That way their paws were soaked (a problem spot for my cats) and I could scoop up the dip with a cup and pour again. I used the same dip for all of the cats. Once I was done dipping I recycled the leftover dip into a bottle for next time. It did not seem to loose its effectiveness and still smelled just as lovely. I did invest in a couple of those cone collars so I didn't have to watch the cats while they dry to keep them from licking. I am quite interested in that Maleseb shampoo. I'm going to have to look it up. I have found out that mites are common here from my rescue friends. I'm sure that I will run to mites again as I seem to be taking on more volunteer work with both domestic and wild animals. Have you tried the Maleseb or the Pet's Best RX ?  (May 17, 2010 | post #26)