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You've got to be kidding with this. Your posting behavior is reprehensible. In the last day or two, you have called me a suppressor of over two billion people, a fascist, and somebody that would commit genocide if he had the means. And why? Because I dared to express the opinion that Christianity (and Islam) to be a net negative in the world, and want to see its influence diminished. That's the gutter you live in. And by living in it, you are evidence that I am correct about the corrosive effect of religion.  (32 min ago | post #884968)

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Religion is essentially tribalistic and xenophobic. Outsiders are the enemy. The faithful learn to interact with us with personal attack, like a hive of stinging insects. Challenge their beliefs and they respond by calling us pagans, demons, the anti-Christi, or god haters. They consider us rebellious, and see us as the enemy of all that is good and right as their god. We come from a different tradition that promotes a very different ethic and worldview. And look at the difference between the type of people the two programs generate. Make a mental list of the most prominent posters on each side. Which would you rather have as friends? As neighbors? As coworkers? As fellow citizens and voters? Waasssuuup or Tide? Nanoanomaly or River Tam? Riverside Redneck or Catcher? Buck Crick or Double Fine? Sorry theists, but it's a rout. You're a very gentle and inclusive soul, so you gravitate toward reaching out to these people. Apart from with Al Garcia, how has that been working out? Does the word "futile" describe that effort? We have zero obligation to reach out any more, and zero obligation to show any respect for such an institution as the Christian church. We are fully justified in making every democratic and legal effort to disempower such an institution.  (5 hrs ago | post #884926)

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QUOTE who="Double Fine"]Please describe to us how something with no nerve system will "suffer" . [/QUOTE] It's more of his quibberdickery and fallacious reasoning.This is an equivocation fallacy. I used the word suffer meaning to experience pain, and he rebutted the claim that an embryo or early fetus suffer pain by using a different definition of the word, as in to suffer a loss. Typical bad faith disputation. Finally, and as always, we are treated a big slice of pigeon pageantry, wherein he puffs up, struts, and congratulates himself and declares his disputant defeated. To add another layer of insight-free commenting to his post - I mean apart from it being bellicose and arrogant - he calls others insufferable.  (15 hrs ago | post #884733)

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Catcher commented on the same thing recently. And I believe that Happy Lesbo did as well. Buck has always been a pedantic quibberdick, a bad faith and ill-mannered disputant, and full of himself - pigeon pageantry appears in virtually ever post more than a few words long. But some unbelievers also considered him witty and charming. Not any more.  (15 hrs ago | post #884724)

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The Redneck has also taken the position that academic degrees are a waste of money, or not worth what they cost, or something in that department.  (15 hrs ago | post #884711)

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QUOTE who="karl44 "]now there is a modest statement [/QUOTE] LOL. And I had just commented on his insight.free comment accusing others of presenting ad hoc and subjective definitions before doing precisely the same. Now he accuses another poster of being bellicose and arrogant. What next? Clearwater accusing someone of a persecution complex? Nanoanomaly accusing someone of being continuously petulant?  (15 hrs ago | post #884701)

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Really? Quite flattering!  (16 hrs ago | post #884695)

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That's True Truth's MO - character assassination of the source of an idea that he doesn't like. I just got a dose of it, and so did Al Garcia. Of course the Middle Eastern Muslims are anti-Semitic - just like American Christians distrust Muslims. That's what religion does. It divides people and makes them enemies. It does every day on this thread.  (16 hrs ago | post #884692)

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Thanks for that, Al. Of course I don't hate you, and of course I would not be a danger to anybody even if I held power. That's the kind of attempt to cause discord and character assassination we have come to expect from most of these theists. But not you. You are doing a great job as a human being. I can't help but believe that that is in your DNA, or the gift of good parents, friends, and schoolteachers. If this was being taught from the pulpits and apologetics resources, shouldn't there be more like you? There seem to be dozens of the kind of people chastising you for every one like you. I can't help but assign significance to that. So good for you. You transcended the muck.  (16 hrs ago | post #884679)

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Yes, Al, I have learned from you. I read every post you write that I seeThis is how Christrash posts - trying to foment dissent and conflict where there is harmony and mutual respect ("he hates Christians. That includes you, Al" - obviously incorrect and defamatory), and calling trying to find common ground pandering. This, too, is the legacy of Christianity, and why it is righfully called a disease.  (16 hrs ago | post #884668)

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Maybe, but if so, I've never seen it. I can tell you that our mission is to share information of interest to people that self-identify as freethinkers. We do this during a monthly meeting and with a flurry of daily emailsIn case you weren't aware, I'm not quibbling with believers over these matters, at least not for the time being. I would only address them for the benefit of an unbeliever. If any of the unbeliever would like to see any of the theists claims answered, I'll be glad to upon request. Does any unbeliever here have any difficulty dispatching with this tired chestnut above? Would rehashing it be of any value to anyone? Deconstructing this very argument consumes a few paragraphs of my upcoming discussion, which is principally about reason and critical thinking. It's full of examples of unsound arguments used to illustrate assorted logical fallacies.  (17 hrs ago | post #884653)

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Almost immediately, two theists savaged Al for not being nasty and divisive enough, Waaassssup http://www.topix.c om/forum/topstorie s/TOCO8TEGNA8I5JT6 3/post884248 and True Truth http://www.topix.c om/forum/topstorie s/TOCO8TEGNA8I5JT6 3/post884245 . The first, a Christian, alluded to Judas hanging himself, undoubtedly offering him to Al as a kindred spirit and role model. The other, Muslim, called him foolish, weak, and lacking self-respect. For what? For promoting harmony and trying to find common ground? He is not validating atheism or hurting theism. So why the vicious assaults? Because that is one of the many rotting fruits of organized religion in our midst. That is the kind of character these systems generally produce - very tribalistic and xenophobic, just like their ancient religions. “There is a cost to deciding that you’re going to take Christianity on faith, and that is that when you run into folks like us who don’t believe it, you are compelled to think all kinds of horrific things about us, and come at us with these threats of eternal torment which draws an insurmountable line between us. We cannot be friends because of what you have decided to take on faith.” – Jeff Dee Remove religion and there is no squabble here.  (17 hrs ago | post #884643)

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Nice post, Al. You do have an open mind, a good mind, a good heart, and we do hold most values in common. As far as I can tell, the main difference between our beliefs, values, and hopes are your supernatural beliefs, which don't seem to have negatively impacted your intellect or character. That's not what I'm used to from the believers I have experienced here on Topix, which, frankly, is the only possible place for somebody like me to do that in such depth and breadth. Would you have me believe that outside of Topix, Christians are different than they are here, and that the numbers of them like you is substantial? You're almost unique here. There have been one or two other Christians I admired on Topix, but that's out of I don't know how many hundreds or even thousands. Look at these people posting here - the intellectual and moral roadkill. Are they not representative of what's out there in proportionate numbers?  (18 hrs ago | post #884619)

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That's the essence of Christian apologetics. It comes in many flavors, from quote mining to quote manufacturing to the outright lies Scaritual outed with his Snopes source to the list I presented of assorted just so excuses manufactured on the spot to explain why somebody who accepts the bible on faith, and who has a stake in it being not just coherent but transcendent, would interpret it more objectively than somebody looking at it from outside of the faith. We are paying attention, and we are bringing our observations to the attention of others, especially younger people.  (18 hrs ago | post #884609)

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Did you just call that a rebuttal? You didn't rebut a single point. You confused self-actualization with sorcery, and you repeatedly invoked answers that you should know have no meaning to an unbeliever. I know how you come by those ideas. I don't care what you believe is true by faith, nor what you think your god's will is. I only care what you can demonstrate to be true. And maybe you wouldn't be so bored if you addressed those points with something of substance. You confused self-actualization with sorcery and atheism with paganism. Yesterday was our monthly Freethinker's meeting (third Wednesday). The presentation was "Is Religion the Cause of Religious Wars." The speaker mostly concluded not - that there were always other factors involved - political agendas, greed, etc.. And of course, the Holocaust came up as an example of something that was politically motivated, not religiously. My Topix experience prepared me to answer that. It's not about whether religion is the sole cause of religious wars or not, but whether the world would be better off without organized, politicized religion. And it was easy to argue that Christianity had a permissive effect regarding the Holocaust. A nation of Christians is easily demagogued by anybody carrying a bible that can convince them that their god speaks through him. Furthermore, the toll taken on society by religion is not limited to wars and violence. The cost includes the countless damaged souls such as you that cannot think clearly. A lifetime of faith based thought and religious apologetics (fallacious sophistry intended to deceive), has left you at a huge disadvantage in discussions like these with others raised in the tradition of evidence and rigorous reason, and in the spirit of dialectic and scholastic values. We simply have better ideas, better values, and better methods.  (19 hrs ago | post #884586)

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