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Evolution vs. Creation

QUOTE who="the Dude"] Did you never think to look it up? You didn't realise that Tiktaalik was PREDICTED to exist, in THAT particular fossil strata? [/QUOTE] *That does not address any of the questionsSo what happened: did fishes evolve into amphibians or did amphibians evolve into fishes?  (Jan 26, 2015 | post #149004)

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Evolution vs. Creation

Even a dumb clock is right once a day. *shrug*  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148440)

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Evolution vs. Creation

But if evolution is not goal directed; how can it allow you to make predictions. While "goal" can be used to mean "end point" or "result" or "outcome "; what are you going to use to make a prediction, since there is no general outcome (i.e. "goal")? That all things dont have gills while 75% of the earth is water is a problem YOU should consider. It should violate the concept of natural selection; shouldnt itWell, we see man using evolutionary algorithms to function more effectively in the world; so I dont see why God couldnt use evolution effectively...  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148438)

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Evolution vs. Creation

By "wiggled " the author is suggesting that the fish made small struggling movements, not that it necessarily wiggled the way a lungfish does. Does your lunacy actually have a terminating point?  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148434)

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A dunce will argue that a genius is wrong too. *shrug*  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148432)

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Evolution vs. Creation

How many fishes with gills have survived for more than 30 minutes after being taken from water?  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148430)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

WOW!! MASTERFUL!!!! You just debunk my assertion all the way to the shit pits of hell, with one meaningless line of drivel!!! I am in awe of your brilliance!!! ... you wish.  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148429)

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Evolution vs. Creation

Thats a statistical probability; not a mathematical one.  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148428)

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Evolution vs. Creation

But skipping to another area with water would mean that it returns to its natural type of habitat. What is the need for developing new traits there? Lets assume that they did somehow cultivate a deep desire to "skip": what are the chances that weather and climate remained the same for 1000s of years so that the off springs would survive? For example: Where is the pond or puddle that contained water for over 1000s of years so that species could remain in it and survive?  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148427)

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Evolution vs. Creation

Ok. Begin with the one I suggest. Evolution as described by the scientific community, is a mathematical improbability; as the the mathematical probability if evolution ever occuring is Zero, Zip, Zilch, Nadda, Nothing, None, Not any and 0.  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148426)

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Evolution vs. Creation

The sudden "leap" onto land etc is definitely not going to work; but then again neither is the gradual change. You would be one tail short of a baboon if you assume that ANY environmental influence remains the the for 1000s of years, so that specific effective (i.e. functional and vital) traits could be developed... Take a look at the idea of the fish flipping out of the pond or whatever you call it; and not amphibians now, but fishes with gills: Even if fishes habitually did the same thing in the same type of place at the same time all the time, there would be no change in the evolutionary context. Because each fish would simply die due to the detrimental effects of the new conditions. And those changes it underwent at the genetic level would NEVER get passed on by reproduction. How many minutes does it take a fish to die when it is out of water?  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148424)

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Evolution vs. Creation

Well, dont say I didnt teach you anything.  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148420)

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Evolution vs. Creation

Did someone tell you that, or is it your own conclusionOh. So where is the correct data? Just so you know; it takes more than sentiments to refute a claim of that nature. What have you to offer in contradiction to my argument, in terms of evidence of /data for the contrary?  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148407)

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Evolution vs. Creation

No. All I have is a sense of equality or what it means when something "IS". Epistemic humility forbids me to claim I have a sense of anything else.  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148402)

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Evolution vs. Creation

Whatever happened, it had to have happened with a particular organism or sets of organism at a particular time/s. Present the scenario in which the events being discussed here are accurately representedSo what? What does saying that tell usYet natural selection continually allows the survival of organisms that cannot survive without water-oxygenSo how many individual fishes were exposed to the same environmental conditions for over 1000 generations? Which environment or single habitat remain unchanged for 1000s of generations? Is it that there was this pond or group of ponds where water levels never rose and it never dried up and never experienced ANY significant change in weather nor climate? FOR 1000s OF GENERATIONS? Or perhaps there is a "natural selector" which decides to start the next organism where the previous one left offTIME DOES NOT MAKE THE IMPOSSIBLE POSSIBLE.  (Jan 22, 2015 | post #148400)