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What do u think of Jesus Christ?(God)

What is the matter with you?" cried Peter, suddenly afraid. "It was poisoned, Peter," she told him softly; "and now I am going to be dead." "O Tink, did you drink it to save me?" "Yes." "But why, Tink?" Her wings would scarcely carry her now, but in reply she alighted on his shoulder and gave his nose a loving bite. She whispered in his ear "You silly ass," and then, tottering to her chamber, lay down on the bed. Every moment her light was growing fainter; and he knew that if it went out she would be no more. Her voice was so low that at first he could not make out what she said. Then he made it out. She was saying that she thought she could get well again if children believed in fairies. Peter flung out his arms. There were no children there, and it was night time; but he addressed all who might be dreaming of the Neverland, and who were therefore nearer to him than you think: boys and girls in their nighties, and naked papooses in their baskets hung from trees. "DO YOU BELIEVE?" he cried. Tink sat up in bed almost briskly to listen to her fate. She fancied she heard answers in the affirmative, and then again she wasn't sure. "What do you think?" she asked Peter. "IF YOU BELIEVE," he shouted to them, "CLAP YOUR HANDS; DON'T LET TINK DIE!" Many clapped. Some didn't. A few beasts hissed. The clapping stopped suddenly; as if countless mothers had rushed to their nurseries to see what on earth was happening; but already Tink was saved. *********** Don't be a beast.  (Saturday | post #77476)

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You are ignorant of what "falsifiable " means. It is implicit that for something to be falsifiable, all the evidence must be available to anyone to attempt to reproduce independently. The only evidence we have of a resurrected Jesus is hearsay testimony from anonymous sources who were vested in the outcome. No, that doesn't negate the possibility, but also doesn't qualify as anything resembling "proof" to the uninitiated. That's why the hymn goes, "How precious did that Grace appear... the hour I first believed." You have to first believe, then it all comes true. A similar scene takes place in the Peter Pan story - Tinkerbell will recover IF you believe. It's a cute literary device.  (Wednesday Mar 25 | post #77466)

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That's what I thought. It was apparent before that you didn't have an independent thought about anything in the Bible, but that goes with the territory. Xtianity works best when the people don't think for themselves. That's the reason they kept it in Latin as long as they could. That's the reason they condemned Gutenburg, when he began printing Bibles. They could see that before long anyone could own one, and some few would actually read it and think for themselves, and say, "What the......?!". So when you asked what the passage from Thomas meant, I thought, "Well, sure, the only thing this faither knows is what someone else tells them". You are incapable of even attempting to understand a passage without "guidance ". So, you find something that calls it "secret" , and there ya go, it's a locked door for you. You haven't the circumspection needed to see this is no different than Paul talking about the "hidden mysteries" of his gospel that required him to explain it to one and all.  (Wednesday Mar 25 | post #77465)

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The "context " is right there. Peter objects to Mary being in the He-Men Women-Haters Club. Jesus tells him to step off. It ain't that complexNone said Jesus did not ride the Tilt-A-Whirl at the county fair either, so there ya go, I hope he didn't throw up from eating all those corn dogs. You claim resurrection is the single most important aspect of the Christ, and therefore Christianity. Yet the overwhelming preponderance of early writings about Jesus said nothing about a resurrection. Draw your own conclusions. Whoops.....oh, yeah, you're not allowed to draw your own conclusions. Well, I did, and it's just another reason to show the fictional Christ character as a mythYou're talking out both sides of your head.....again. You present the verses as showing some disparaging thing about women, then turn right around and say they are "secret" sayings. You can't have it both waysYou've got to be kidding. You think you can discern Jesus' parables, but you can't figure out what he's saying hereWhat problems, that their women dressed slutty and talked too much? Where do you get that "context "? What was the point of putting it in the Bible for 2015 United States readers then? According to you it's just fluff and filler, with no application to the present. OK, let's allow that for the purpose of argument. How do we know exactly which parts are "unique to that church"? Paul certainly doesn't say that, so you're just taking license to sift out which parts work for you, aintcha? And that, class, is why Christianity below the surface is a hodgepodge of interpretations and denominations. Oh yeah, they all believe the resurrection part - that's the part where they imagine a Jesus bleeding and broken, suffering horribly, gasping out a ragged last breath in agony, for the iniquity that God condemned their grandfather Adam and all his children, forever. This specter gives them immense joy, because an innocent man was condemned for THEIR sin, and they escaped their punishment. In other words, the core of all Christian belief is supremely self-centered and morally depravedExactly, customs were different 1900 years ago. In 2015 United States we have no reason to cling to the 1900 year old superstition that God split himself into three parts, allowed his creation to kill one part, to save his creation from a second part, and all we need to swallow this mess is a generous helping of the third part. What are we, Bronze-age goatherders?  (Tuesday Mar 24 | post #77462)

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Oh that's nothin'. For my next trick, I'm going to have God talk out my ass like Balaam (Numbers chap 22). Don't be surprised if he sounds like Eddie Murphy, I shop him out to Hollywood sometimes. Disclaimer: Unlike Balaam, no animals were harmed in my show.  (Sunday Mar 22 | post #77451)

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Where did I say Thomas should be part of the NT? Is your position so weak that you must lie and smear, or can you just not help yourself? I merely cited Thomas as one of the better-known of many "alternative " gospels co-existent in the decades after Jesus' death. We could have cited literally dozens of others that did not attest to a resurrection. As for the passage above, of course it goes over your head. Jesus was speaking figuratively, as he did often. How is it you can claim to understand his parables, metaphors, and analogies in canon, but Thomas you take literally? Or did you think Peter was literally going to be changed into a rock? Peter was always the most hard-headed and impetuous. Jesus was chastising him again, by saying, "After all I've taught you, you still are stuck in old ways of thinking? Do you still doubt me? Fine, I will make her male, Peter, just for your benefit." How about we lay that up alongside Paul's pronouncement on women? Funny you should trip over an analogy in Thomas, but think nothing of Paul saying outright that women should cover their heads, keep themselves as drab as possible, sit apart, be submissive to men, and for God's sake, shut the f*ck up. Comment?  (Sunday Mar 22 | post #77450)

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The resurrection is the most important part of the entire story, right? Slight variances. We're not talking about forgetting the color of Jesus' robe, are we? List for yourself the "slight variances of the accounts". Was his ministry one year, or three years? Did he cleanse the Temple at the beginning of his ministry, or the end? What day was he crucified? Did Judas hang himself, leap off a cliff, or both? Who went to the tomb? Who met them there? Were there angels? How many? What were they doing? Was the stone moved, or not? Were they told to wait for him in Jerusalem, or meet him 100 miles away in Galilee? They could hardly be in both places, could they? Again, this is the most important scene in the entire story, the one that happened closest to the time of writing, would be vivid in the eyes of his followers, and talked about the most. Slight variances.....  (Sunday Mar 22 | post #77449)

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....unless you can tell us what and where Paul's "third heaven" is, it is a myth. ....Paul contradicts the teachings of Jesus. ...James contradicts Paul. ...Paul considers himself co-messenger with Jesus aka "God". ...otherwise we must believe that God told the Jews for over 1000 years that the Covenant was eternal, and that they would suffer punishment for turning away, and receive blessings for returning to Torah, only to have him all of a sudden say, "Haha! Gotcha! Just kidding! Here's what I really meant all along. Jesus! You're up, boy!" ...it is ridiculous to believe that God's universal message of salvation for all mankind all over the globe requires so many interpretations, commentaries, harmonizations, and apologies for even believers to swallow, much less people from entirely different cultures. I think enough of God to think he can top that easy if she wanted to. ...we have NO original manuscripts of God's alleged "Word", and the thousands of copies we do have, contain hundreds of thousands of discrepancies between each other, so we have NO WAY of knowing which is God's REAL Word. ...on that perversely-named "Good Friday" there was alleged to be a solar eclipse, and an earthquake that damaged the largest buildings in Jerusalem. The historical and archeological record reveals no record of either event. But that's not the best - as if those cataclysms weren't enough, we are told that long-dead people popped out of their tombs and rambled around the Holy City! Did I mention this is right at the outset of Passover week? Passover week! When the population of the city was swelled by tens of thousands, and the Roman Procurator himself came down to preside, along with his considerable entourage and troops - not ONE person in that entire assemblage thought it worth noting for posterity that following an eclipse and severe earthquake, corpses were out strolling around town, all in the same afternoon? There's a start. source: The Bible  (Sunday Mar 22 | post #77448)

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Impossible. To believers, it would be like proving that one team is better then another. Can't be done. They have their beliefs, and if those beliefs comfort them, then they are just right.....for them. For me: The Christ (Messiah) is a myth because... ...it reveals NOTHING unique apart from previous myths - there is nothing whatsoever transcendent about it and it's only uplifting in the most shallow self-centered way. When you become aware that every single dot-point pre-existed in the mythologies of the region, the gilding is scratched away and reveals the clay underneath. Xtianity is the Henny Youngman of Mideast religions - some other god already did all those gags. ...Jesus did NOT fulfill ALL the requirements for the expected Messiah, and blasphemously violates others. ...the lion's share of it's alleged "prophecies " are robbed from Hebrew prophecy, and reworked for the Xtian mythos. The changes of which Christians are oblivious are nonetheless obvious even to the NT authors. Paul recognized the weakness, and he takes pains to cover it with the barest of excuses - he "explains " the fact that Jews didn't know they were prophecies by ludiscrously calling them "mysteries " purposely withheld by God from even his most beloved Israelite prophets, only to reveal them centuries later in a "vision" to an interloper from faraway Cilicia named Saul. His efforts availeth not - we can pick apart the Xtian "prophecies " one by one with ease. ...it is based on a prior myth, excepting the precursor is a Hebrew God who would NOT procreate with humans, would NOT split himself into three, and could NOT be killed by his own creation. ...the Adam & Eve story on which it is ultimately predicated, is an admitted and demonstrable myth. Jews have not this determination to pretend it's a real story - it remained for Christians to come along and demand that it be taken literally. ...the four gospels contradict each other in numerous inexplicably fundamental details. ...otherwise we have to swallow that God sent messengers throughout history, from Moses to Elijah to Malachi, over the course of centuries, every one to tell God's people exactly what he wanted, the punishment they would receive for disobedience, and the rewards for compliance........ but the whole time God really didn't mean it. ....after all Jesus allegedly taught, and the horror that he experienced for his teaching, God STILL needed a Diaspora Jew from Cilicia to explain what the hell he REALLY meant. ....even though the apostles lived with Jesus for upwards of three years, we are to believe that Paul had to come down and tell Jesus' apostles what the hell he REALLY meant. (continued)  (Sunday Mar 22 | post #77447)

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Evangelical Fail. Jesus of Nazareth was by all accounts a remarkable man. Jesus the Christ is a hoax.  (Sunday Mar 22 | post #77440)

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I could understand that if it was said William of Normandy rose from the dead to fight the Nazis. Since it's just a milestone in English history, can't imagine why anyone would take issue with it, but hey, it's your right as a subject of the QueenAlways gooda "see a familiar face". Best to you and yours. HipG  (Sunday Mar 22 | post #77438)

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Exactly. Even tho' many revered the rebel preacher Jesus, they did not believe in the Christ hoax. This doesn't mean they weren't devoted followers of Jesus, after their own fashion. There were several competing "gospels " - Paul's won due to his tireless perseverance, his canny recognition that writing ensures posterity, and his equally shrewd ploy to get a free trip to Rome, the capital of the empire . I never said he wasn't a sharp playerYou just contradicted yourself - above you say, "Other do not believe Jesus resurrected." Nowhere did I proclaim to be an expert. You resort to smear and lies already? How "true Christian" of you. No, really, how very much like Paul. Mark alludes to an empty tomb, but relays no bodily resurrection appearances. This part of the "plot" was fleshed out in the later versions. Oddly, even among the so-called "canon" of gospels, each one has a different version of what occurred at the "empty tomb". The single most important part of the entire story, and they disagree wildly as to who, what, and when. If they can't even get their stories straight, why is it so hard to accept that there were a lot of popular Jesus traditions that were different altogether? James does not mention resurrection. Thomas does not mention it. Multiple apocryphal writings relay various versions of Jesus' purpose and intent. Among those that speak of a resurrection, many are clear they were talking about a spiritual, not bodily, resurrection. Even this was a radical teaching at the time, depending on the audience, as old-line conservative Jews (such as Sadducees) didn't believe in an afterlife, much less resurrection. The afterlife didn't appear in Hebrew philosophy and scripture until the Babylonian exile, when they were first exposed to such ideas. There were many "gospels ". Paul spends a considerable portion of his letters promoting HIS gospel, in direct contrast to the others in circulation. Back when I was in the faith, this was one my earliest questions - "What are these other gospels he keeps talking about? I didn't know there were other gospels." Obviously you didn't either. The difference is what we each do with the knowledge. Most believers just stay in the sanctuary of ignorance where it's safe and cozy. The wisdom of knowledge is antithetical to of blind faith.  (Sunday Mar 22 | post #77437)

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Please distinguish which ones are descriptions of Jesus, and which are merely descriptions of a cult called or calling themselves Christians. A-g-a-i-n (he said with a resigned sigh) ** note I didn't deny the historicity of a rebel preacher named Jesus hailing from Nazareth who was executed for insurrection by the Romans. The Christ is a different entity altogether.  (Saturday Mar 21 | post #77430)

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No, early Christians did not in fact all believe Jesus bodily resurrected. SOME early followers believed - many others didn't, and it was not an important factor to their remembrance. If one recalls that there were several existing Jesus "traditions " at the same time as the "bodily-resur rection" sect. How do we know this? From Paul's letters themselves. Paul himself tells of the tension between himself and the original apostles (Gal 2). Elsewhere, we find Paul arriving at a place and finding they adhere to "John the Baptist's gospel". Further on, we find people asking Paul whose gospel he preaches. Why would they ask if there weren't in fact several rival "gospels " in circulation? Why does Paul take pains throughout his writings to signify HIS gospel as opposed to the others? It is understood that none of these questions makes sense to those who haven't actually read all of Paul's letters. They make even less sense to those who are ignorant of ALL early Christian writings and history. This doesn't invalidate the questions, it only explains why the typical Christian of shallow knowledge would have trouble with them.  (Saturday Mar 21 | post #77428)

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