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Israel has completed about 2/3 of a proposed 440 mile fence. It has gone up in sections over years amid debate, a scenario not unlike our own. At the same time, Israel's border issues include ancient territorial disputes and rockets. No one questions whether it could be built, of course we can build a fence That was not the question. It's a solid bet that a considerable portion of those voting "for" a fence, would, in a different poll, name "the deficit" as a priority issue. Given that, I wondered if people's response to the poll would differ if the question went from an abstract to an actual out-of-pocket cost. Perhaps the cost would offset. Have you seen actual comparative numbers? In various interviews, Trump has offered numbers ranging from 4 billion to 20 billion. This is from Trump - heaven knows what actual costs might be, but it might be interesting to see a comparison of current outlay vs potential costs/savings.  (Saturday Aug 20 | post #192199)

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Your welcome. That's a real good plan - "Hey! I got it! Let's deposit $400 million of our own money in an American bank, take some hostages, and then demand our money back!" Brilliant!  (Friday Aug 19 | post #192190)

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Deporting criminal illegals is a no-brainer. As for the wall, I'd like to see the numbers if the question were posed like this: "In order not to increase the deficit, would you favor a permanent tax increase dedicated to funding the building and maintenance of a 2000 mile wall?" Taking it from an abstract question to one with real cost and consequence.  (Friday Aug 19 | post #192189)

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That's very kind of you, thank you. It is a shame you decide to disengage every time as you are one of the few left who will carry a substantive debate, at least until the point you get frustrated and veer off into personal asides. It may feel like you "really told him" but to the reader it just looks like you're frustrated that someone has the audacity to argue their position, and you're just tapping out. The record shows that it was yourself who truncated what had been an interesting discussion with a smarmy, "You lost me at....," followed by a two-paragraph tangent on creative writing. If you're done with a topic, it's simple enough just to say so, or say nothing at all. There's no real shame in it in an anonymous discussion board. Even tho' I don't apologize for arguing my position with passion and determination, this does not mean I'm not absorbing what the other has to say. I engage in boards and social media precisely so as to not live "in a bubble", as one of several ways to stay current on alternative views and information. For instance, I had formed the opinion that it was almost exclusively far-Right who utilized misdirection and smear tactics in debate, but Berners, Occupiers, anti-vaxxers, and the like have shown that it is universal at all corners of the compass. I seek exposure to a full range of views, not just those that resonate with my own. But it is what it is, as they say. I appreciate your warm wishes and Hoping the same to you and yours. thx. HipG  (Monday Aug 15 | post #192164)

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heheheh yeah, Willie, you nailed it.....  (Sunday Aug 14 | post #192155)

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For one working on their creative writing skills, sarcasm always seems to elude you. Just because I think Trump advocates are wrong-headed, it is entirely your own leap, characterized in your progression above, to equate this with "lunacy" . Yes, it is your creation. You need look no further than your prefacing phrases, which tend to something like, "You seem to be saying...". IOW, your defensive assumptionThat the investigations have been costly is certainly true. It does not follow that it is her fault that the investigations are perpetual. "Fiscal conservatives " should be up-in-arms over the wasted dollars and effort, but somehow they manage to choke these down because, why? The answer is obvious. If she lied under oath, there would be grounds for charge, or at least official censure. She received neither, or in your words, "she skated". The only conclusion is that the FBI, the Attorney General, AND the entire Republican-led Congress are incompetent, or complicit. This strains credibility. Your final point align with one of my points. The Clintons are arrogant and sloppy. They are forever obliviously giving their detractors rope with which to fashion a noose. How could she not know that using a private server would lead us right to this point? How could she not know that connections between the Clinton Foundation and State would be heavily scrutinized and magnified? How could she not know that a speech, however generic, to Wall Street bankers would be used by her opponents? It is this very sloppiness that tells me that if they were "criminal ", they would really suck at it, and would have been caught long before now. Xmas Card list "investigatio n". That's all we need to remember. Nothing better characterizes a healthy skepticism when it comes to three decades of costly and fruitless "investigatio ns". The people love them, can't get enough. Which is another reason they should support Clinton for President. Imagine - four more years of "investigatio ns". Woo-hoo!  (Sunday Aug 14 | post #192138)

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It's interesting that the source claiming a fact-checking site is biased, contains these two memes in the sidebar: "I Don't Believe The Liberal Media" and "Failure " over a picture of the President. IOW, an openly biased blog accuses a respected fact-checking site of bias. This is called, "Life in the Mutual Affirmation Bubble". The sad fact is, those of the Right, while certainly having no monopoly on false and misleading information, are far ahead in sheer numbers. The vast majority are passed around by email, with facebook running a close second. The primary demographic who still utilize email heavily anymore are older white people. Inboxes are full of riveting stories like "Obama Changes Oval Office Curtains to Muslim Colors". A few, very few, people want to know if these are really true, sourced by facts. Fact-checking sites serve this end. Ipso Facto: Any fact-checking site that serves to point out these falsehoods must, as a matter of course, be delegitimized. Related Sidebar: My very favorite example, tho' there are many, was the one that accused Obama of some travesty of the day. It even cited snopes as a source. The hilarious thing was that the snopes article actually debunked the myth! The obvious take-away was that the writer knew that citing snopes would give credence to the charge, while also knowing that the majority of it's recipients were too mentally lazy to actually check that source. Perfect!  (Sunday Aug 14 | post #192137)

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Excuse me, I regret somehow making you defensive, but this "loon" stuff is entirely of your own construction. You're right, there are a phone book of people who know more about her than I do, and she has been "investigated " by them all, from every possible angle, right down to her Xmas card list. Not one criminal charge. Each and every one of the hundreds of "investigator s" over the last three decades is either incompetent or in on the fix. I get it. You win. She's crooked. She'd sell Chelsea's baby teeth for a buck, and have the Tooth Fairy whacked in the bargain. She's also the best choice, the only real choice we have for President. Ka-ching!  (Saturday Aug 13 | post #192134)

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I answered each of your several questions directly, only missing the the one about a daughter/granddaug hter, which I promptly answered after a follow-up question. Where did Trump come in? In direct response to your final question. Of the choice we have, there is no choice; it's Clinton by default. Maybe people will be more careful what clown-car they chase after next time, and realize the President of the United States is some serious sh!t. I voted for Kasich in March, how about you? Man, it ain't just "liberals " that are appalled at the idea of "President Trump". It is a wide consortium of Republicans, Democrats, national security professionals, foreign leaders....the list is legion. Clinton is a professional politician with domestic and foreign affairs experience. With that I can hold my nose and vote. There really ain't no choice.  (Saturday Aug 13 | post #192133)

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Guilty" in the public forum is a far lower bar than "guilty" in a court of law. And that's the entire point of continuous accusations and specious "investigatio ns". If it's any consolation, even Berners - generally far-end Left - have linked arms with the Right to proclaim her "guilty" . Imagine that caucus!  (Saturday Aug 13 | post #192125)

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You're being disingenuous. "She is no more or less "dishonest " than the general run of the breed, or the American people they reflect for that matter," is a clear and direct reply. It's obvious that the positive side of that same statement is equally true - "She is no more or less "honest" than the general run of the breed, or the American people they reflect for that matter." Now you have either to choose from. I would have no problem with my child emulating the example of Hillary Clinton as a woman achieving success. You have to realize that outside the bubble of mutual affirmation, Clinton is not seen as an evil genius, just an imperfect candidate. She has human flaws, but they are normal flaws. Her opponent's flaws, relative to the most powerful office in the free world, are enormous and, apparently, insurmountable, judging by his own inability to rein himself in. Early in the week, any Clinton opponent was handed a gift - the further release of emails suggesting connections between the Clinton Foundation and State. Anyone in their right mind and a modicum of self-restraint, would have leapt all over that, no matter what it actually revealed. Did The Donald make sure to get that all over the news cycle for as much mileage as he could get out of it? Nope. Nada. Nothing. Not one thing about them. Instead he blusters his 2nd Amendment "joke", which dominated the news, followed by "Obama and Clinton founded ISIS". The guy is a Wizard-level Carnie Barker - that's it. The point for all the Trump insertions are simple. Any mixed feelings I may have for Clinton - and I have been completely straightforward about them here, while Trump surrogates can't admit a single flaw - any misgivings I may have about Clinton are completely mitigated by a shuddering revulsion at the idea of that narcissistic egotistical buffoon representing the United States on the world stage. It ain't his politics - he's likely left of Clinton on some things, tho' neither you or I really know. But judging on past statements, it's a solid bet. He ain't your 21st century conservative, so it ain't his politics. It's himself. Voters had 17 people to choose from and they thought it'd be funny to pick the guy that says outrageous stuff. Well, a whole lotta people have buyer's remorse over that lark, and there's a real good chance there won't be any joy in Trumpville on Nov 9. Like the ol man used to say, maybe that'll learn 'em.  (Friday Aug 12 | post #192122)

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Because I value my country. Trump has all the makings of an absolute disaster. His economic package sounds good to voters, when it would only benefit the wealthy and balloon the deficit. His trade "policy" , if you can call it that, would ignite trade wars that would only hurt the average worker. His immigration policy has been called by himself as "only entertainment ", so who knows what it really is? His foreign policy........oh come on, the guy has no foreign policy. He lied in using the troops as a campaign backdrop, saying he'd make a charitable contribution, and had to be shamed into following thru months later. He abused McCain's service record, he used the campaign to try and influence his private legal issues, and in doing so impugned an American judge simply for having a non-Anglo name. He has wondered openly why we can't allow the spread of nuclear weapons, and why we can't use ours as first-strike. He holds Putin and Hussein as examples of success. He calls on a foreign nation to hack an American election. Christ, how much font do we have left? More than anything, his filter-free mouth, thin skin, and vindictive impulses, in the highest office in the most powerful nation in history, could have disastrous global consequences. Clinton is a life-long politician, and as such, she is no more or less "dishonest " than the general run of the breed, or the American people they reflect for that matter. But at least she takes the position of POTUS seriously. This ain't no reality show; this is reality.  (Friday Aug 12 | post #192120)

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No, the facts proved beyond a doubt that OJ was the murderer. Current events, an inept prosecution, a masterfully manipulative defense, and the vaunted American jury system, all came together in a perfect storm to save him. The later civil suit found him entirely culpable. Just as with the brand new Hillary "scandal " to add to the list, it's all accusation and innuendo. And that's really the point, ain't it? As bob said, not one criminal charge. And she's been "investigated " by the best. Are they ridiculously sloppy and paranoid? Oh hells yeah! They would absolutely suck as criminals. But, again, as bob alluded, not one criminal charge, and she's been "investigated " by the best. Dat's da name o'dat tune.  (Friday Aug 12 | post #192119)

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We can find video that "proves" Mother Teresa wasn't a good person. I'm concerned with facts. The fact is, dozens of people over three decades whose job and mission are to find actionable wrong-doing have been on the "Hillary case" since Arkansas, and, as bob ruefully admitted, none have found any crime. That's not the point however - the point is to say "crooked " loud enough and long enough that even shallow lefties are sucked into the maelstrom of doubt. Mission Accomplished. "Just because he wants to build a wall"? A) You know he's backed off the "wall", right? He admitted with a grin that it was all just "entertainmen t". B) He has demonstrated again and again that he sees "others" everywhere, in such a cascade of quotes that they're nearly impossible to track. You yourself have decried the profligate use of labels, while Trump is a walking label machine. It's far more than just an imaginary "wall".  (Friday Aug 12 | post #192114)

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