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Prove there's a god.

Hmmm, well if i didn't have a father already, and this one claimed to be him and called me son, and made me believe it, and did all the things a good father should do, i don't think i'd care so much if he as ACTUALLY my father. Or are we speaking in metaphor? I think in these days, any guy willing to step up an be a dad should be applauded, biological father or no, being a real father is more about how much you care.  (Oct 2, 2012 | post #545126)

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So, What Is It That The Anti-Gay Groups Actually Fear?

Actually, yes. While Jesus didn't condemn all religion (his definition of true religion was pretty narrow: caring for widows and orphans) he typically didn't have anything nice to say to, or about the religios people of his day. Those who pretended to be holy by practicing religion in order to look good and hold power over the masses, while inwardly they had no real relationship with God, were called snakes and children of Satan. Jesus looks at your heart, not the face you put on, or the things you do to look better than someone else. Or how much more knowledgable you are about the bible than someone else. Jesus is after relationship. Your actions in life come FROM that relationship, they don't make it. It's like when you love someone, and because of that you bring them a flower, or you take out the garbage - even though you can't stand doing that, or you bake them brownies. Jesus isn't looking for people who are really good at making people brownies, taking out trash or consistently bringing flowers to people because it's what their supposed to do. He's looking for people who will love him enough to acknowledge him, listen to what he has to say, talk to him, and be thrilled about just being there in the moments when he's closest. Out of that intense love that we have from him, it is very hard not to want to share it with other people. That's his way and what he wants for us. Not religion where we make rules, dress a certain way, don't cuss, and attend weekly sermons (though those aren't necessarily bad for you). He didn't use his authority to condemn people when he was on this earth. He desperately wanted lost, outcast, sick, and hurting people to find something truly great - love, faith, peace, and hope in him and the promise of life with him forever, beyond our death here. People will always try to take that and turn it into rules and formulas. That's religion.  (Oct 2, 2012 | post #5387)

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Prove there's a god.

No, but he did MAKE the Caribbean :) To qualify my statement that God likes jerks, read Luke 19 about Zacchaeus. He was a rich tax collector. In his time that typically meant he was pocketing money from people he was overcharging on taxes. He was hated by most of the people in the crowd, and the crowd wasn't happy when Jesus told him he wanted to go to his house for dinner. Zacchaeus might have been a jerk, but he was looking for Jesus, and he was found by the same. Because he was looking, he didn't miss othat encounter and he found himself not judged, but loved. I just wish Christians did a better job of sharing the love they profess to know with the jerks they meet.  (Oct 1, 2012 | post #544576)

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So, What Is It That The Anti-Gay Groups Actually Fear?

Religion sucks, but Jesus rules!  (Oct 1, 2012 | post #5245)

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Prove there's a god.

God loves Jerks  (Oct 1, 2012 | post #544568)

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This is a SECULAR nation...practice your religion. Don't...

Many supposed evidences have been found to be either just wrong (Australopithecine s) or intentional hoaxes (Piltdown man). I'd like to see what you believe is an example of a proven theory, and what that proof is. Cheers :)  (Sep 26, 2012 | post #276)

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Prove there's a god.

wow, there should be a math forum :)  (Sep 26, 2012 | post #543191)

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Prove there's a god.

or, since that's probably not going to happen, when Christ returnsThis is a basic lack of understanding of the origin of words for sure. "god" is a generic term for a diety. It's not Jewish or Christian in origin. "Allah" is probably used in a similar if not identical way as "god". However the claims made by the God of the bible, and more specifically of Christ - who claims to be God, are very exclusive. They can be discounted, but if they are to be believed, they do not allow for the god of Islam to be the same god as the god of the bible. All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. (Matthew 11:27 ESV) Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6 ESV) Your argument that (paraphrasing) if i were born to a <insert religion> family, i would believe that religion and stay in that religion for the most part is a pretty common one for sure. But i'm not sure what it intends to prove. If concrete truth exists and religions don't agree/do not express the same truth, then only one (or none) can actually reveal that truth correctly, not all. I'll propose this metaphor to (hopefully) clarify what i mean: If i actually saw the future and knew without a doubt that the only country which survives the nuclear holocaust of 2031 is Australia, i would likely advise everyone (well at least people i like) to move to Australia, telling them it will be the only safe place to live. Others may counter my advice and claim that their country will be safe too, or will be the only safe place for their citizens to live. Then the argument comes along that most people will choose to stay in the country in which they were born in, thus no one claim to which country is best to be in is really more valid than any other. The argument doesn't work here and it doesn't work if there really is a God as described by the bible; one which we don't get to invent, but who is immutable and eternal and who has provided one way to himself - his son Jesus Christ. Move to Australia.  (Sep 26, 2012 | post #542736)

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Prove there's a god.

Does that mean you attended church and understood doctrine, or that you loved God and knew his love for you, and experienced his spirit as a guiding, teaching force in your life? I hope the former, given your response. But i pray you can experience the latter, because without it i don't blame you for once being a Christian. With it, i cannot understand how anyone could ever walk away. But i'd be interested to hear if that's the case.  (Sep 26, 2012 | post #542726)

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Prove there's a god.

To my point, half a million posts does not indicate we've reached an end point. That's what i was trying to say -- no end. Well, until people get bored of it.  (Sep 26, 2012 | post #542722)

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Prove there's a god.

It's interesting that you draw a distinction. In my opinion Paul's books are no less or more valid than any others. They may be more difficult, but not inferior. Your characterization of Christianity as bizarre is understandable for a non-believer. I'm pretty sure most things Christians do are bizzare outside the context of their belief in and relationship with God. Kind of like many relationships on this earth are bizzare if analyzed outside the context of love. Like why two completely different people would want to share the same house for the rest of their lives, or why parents would endure a teen-aged kids' rebellion and still treat them with preference and protect them at all costs. Or why humans are drawn to cats, and cats seem to care less. I digress. Outside of a faith in and relationship with Christ, the actions of a Christian person would be pitiable - i think Paul said that too, in so many words...Pauline, ugh.  (Sep 26, 2012 | post #542720)

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Prove there's a god.

I don't think this thread is going anywhere, because God is not a physical thing that we can lay hold of. However, Paul offered this, which is likely to be offensive to those asking (and long - sorry) but I think it's the closest tning to a reason why this thread is futile. And please, before you think i'm trying to beat anyone up, or before you jump on the bandwaggon of God's wrath, read what follows this in Romans 2:1-10. Also, if you're really looking for God, maybe start by reading "the Gospel of John" (4th New testament book) or any of the 4 gospels, or watching the movie by the same name, and then ask God to reveal the truth of himself to you. Or...just keep on scoffing for now. God still (exsitence proven or unproven) continues to love you and wants you to know him. (Romans 1:18-32 ESV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. (Romans 1:18-32 ESV)  (Sep 25, 2012 | post #542706)

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Prove there's a god.

I'm sorry i came off as representing God as nonchalant. That would be a gross misrepresentation. I'm referring to the God of the bible, old and new testament, as is accepted by mainstream Christian protestants. That God is not nonchalant, but he certainly doesn't require obedience or loyalty. He gave free will to his creation and doesn't impose his will over your free will, when it comes to whether or not you will choose to serve him or even acknowledge him. The consequences of your actions are yours, but he offers and desires your salvation, because he loves you and wants you to be a part of his family. 16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”  (Sep 25, 2012 | post #542663)

Gay/Lesbian

So, What Is It That The Anti-Gay Groups Actually Fear?

You bring up a good point, that marriage has become a civil/economic matter and that there is no requirement for any religious affiliation or for child bearing/raising whatsoever, and there never has been that requirement. That said, what then is the original intent of making marriage an economic benefit? why subsidise marriage at all? Why should a single person loose out? I would suspect the reason lies in the original intent of this economic subsidy, to promote the creation of a family and children. Do you have another reasonable explanation? If the purpose of marriage isn't for family, it kind of loses it's benefit to society i think. And yes, we still need reproduction, who's going to pay our benefits when we retire? This IS a ponzy scheme you know.  (Sep 25, 2012 | post #4771)

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Why Should Jesus Love Me?

God reveals himself through his word and by other means, but he will not "prove" himself to you. It is our job to choose him, not for him to hit us over the head with a club and drag us into his cave. Why does God allow Satan on this earth? Obviously it was his intent to put the one tree in the garden with the commandment not to eat, and obviously he let's the one who rebelled continue to recruit on this earth for a reason. The bible says that God gave man a free will. Why? Maybe because in order to have a real, loving relationship with someone they have to be free to choose you, or to walk away. They have to be given the option to remain loyal to you or to desert you. It's the risk required to have real love and friendship. When Satan was created he was one of the highest angels, but at some point he decided he didn't believe God anymore and he wanted to BE God. So he rebelled and took with him a third of the angels. For this, he is eternally cut off from God's kingdom. I'm sure God loved him, but he cannot allow a willful disident to remain in his kingdom. It would eventually split his kingdom, taking many more down with him. So, when God created man, he put this choice front and center. You get to choose to be loyal to God, to love him and obey him, or you choose to rebel. Well, we chose rebellion as a human race, through Adam and Eve. However, God has made a provision through his son by which he can pay the price for that rebellion and we can be acceptable again to God. Each of us can make that choice. we're not hindered by Adam and Eve's bad decision. In fact it is given to us as a teacher, instructing us in the folly and pain of sin. This was the plan of God all along. He uses the wreckage of satan's work to show us the contrast Adam and Eve didn't know about, and he gave us a savior that we can choose once and for all, allowing us to be a part of his family forever.  (Sep 25, 2012 | post #459886)