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"Open carry" bill shot down

I fine with being paranoid lol Everyone has that thing that people don't like; a behavior, a style, a mannerism... For me it's openly showing a weapon with no other purpose but to kill. I've had comments thrown at me about hammers, kitchen knives and other household objects that can be just as deadly... but all of those objects are designed for other more mundane purposes. What other purpose is a gun designed for? What more can I expect when I see it being openly shown from someone's hip? And I don't remember actually bashing people for carrying guns. If you feel "bashed" then I apologize... but I stand by my view that I see no reason to actively interact with someone who is clearly showcasing their ability to kill me. Why should I deal with that idea being up front and in my face, when I could just turn around, walk away, and stick to my friends who, even though they may carry, don't advertise it like they're looking for something to happen? Why should I have to just suck up my discomfort and be chummy? It'd just be awkward and forced. I have a right to be "paranoid ", after all.  (Apr 30, 2017 | post #62)

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Senate votes to eliminate concealed gun permits

We kinda already pay a tax for safety... it's part of how police officers are paid in the first place lol. And we also pay a tax for free speech already. We pay taxes that keep our government from collapsing. A country can't exist without its people, or its government. Our governing system is a major part of what maintains our constitutional and amended rights, and our taxes help to maintain it. So... yeah. Now I do see the point in that actively paying a "free speech tax" in the form of a permit would sound wrong on so many levels... but last I checked words didn't have the ability to literally pierce hearts... so I may have a bit of a s skewed perspective on that. Also, I think you're missing a detail on the right to have a gun... "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..." while I'm pretty sure the regulation isn't meant to come from the federal level, but rather from a state or local level, I can see why the use of "papers" can help that process. There has to be a way to be sure that no one gets a gun who would use it against the citizens of a community. Therein lies a huge issue, though. We can regulate all we want on the legal purchasing and ownership of guns, but that's just a drop in the barrel when it comes to getting a handle on the illegal transactions that occur daily. So when a person who has a history of abuse, violence against others, and whatever else, is denied a gun permit because of the risk such a personality presents, he can just turn around and buy one anyway from some schmuck selling from the back of his van. If a state is to adopt legislation in regulating us, then there should be an accompanying piece of legislation with a way to handle them as well. But that's just how I see it. Sure a solid chunk of mass shooters bought their guns legally, but getting a handle on them, doesn't really do squat for stopping those criminals who didn't get their guns legally. It's a step, but it's not enough. Now I'm not going to pretend I know exactly HOW we should go about these things, but one thing's for sure, we had better be doing something.  (Apr 30, 2017 | post #11)

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Grandfather says three teenage armed robbers 'did not des...

Yeah... I remember reading a while back about research being done on a "smart" gun, as a way of protecting officers from the threat of their guns being taken in scuffle with a criminal. Something about a fingerprint recognition software, or something along those lines, so that no one aside from the gun owner can use the weapon. I question how effective this will be with how easily technology can be hacked, but it's certainly an interesting development. Unfortunately, bills providing funding for the research was apparently blocked in congress by "representati ves" influenced by various gun-lobbyist groups. Groups like the NRA have been lobbying to block funding for research into these possible improvements for decades now. Is it any wonder the government hasn't been able to pass or allow much in that regard? It's a shame.  (Apr 30, 2017 | post #56)

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"Open carry" bill shot down

Why yes. If I see an officer some place I don't really expect, I think "Oh, is something happening? Well, I want no part in it, so let me just get out of their way." Seems simple enough. The only difference is, since I see the uniform an badge, the intent in having a gun isn't really in question. Don't see a reason to conduct myself any differently.  (Apr 30, 2017 | post #59)

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Grandfather says three teenage armed robbers 'did not des...

I take issue with that too. Why not? Being able to disable is a very useful skill. There are situations where killing is not necessary, but if they are not trained on how to use multiple resources to take down and subdue, then what other recourse do they have? I know it's putting a lot of pressure on them, giving them so many other choices, and options in how they handle things. It makes those split-second decisions they need to make that much harder.... But that's what we pay them for. It's their job to serve and protect citizens lives, and no matter how much I dislike them, how much I may hate them in the moment of their misdeeds, how low they've dropped themselves as human beings, these people who commit crimes are (usually) still fellow citizens. I mean, if they get killed, I'll be unhappy but it is what is... shouldn't have put themselves in the situation where they could have been killed like that; however, if it is possible to properly subdue them, arrest them, fine them, send them to a corrections facility... That feels like a far greater justice to me. I want them to pay for their crimes, possibly even feel regret, go sit in that cell and think about their sins, and they can't really do that if their dead. People call it paying the "ultimate price" but I don't see it that way. There are fates worse than death after all, and I'd much prefer if these people live to possibly (and likely, if they continue their scummy behaviors) see them. Plus, there's always a chance that, given the chance to live, they could turn things around. I know an older man who likes to go to the basketball court nearby and tell his story to the teenagers there. He was stupid, and at the age of 19, was convicted on several counts of shoplifting and petty theft, as well as a burglary. He stole mainly food for his younger sisters, as their father had died, their mother was sick, and he, being the oldest, was already working what he felt was too hard and still couldn't provide well enough for them. But no matter what the situation is, the law is the law. He spent his time in jail, and used that time to better himself, reading up on everything he could, training his body and keeping fit. Once he was out he managed to find work again, worked harder than ever, and eventually was promoted to a management position. From there he had enough of an income to do what he really wanted. He now owns a small local gym, that is actually doing rather well, according to him at least. I've never been, since it's not in the same town. Anyway, now that his retirement is just around the corner, his arthritis is keeping him from doing much at the gym and he's sure that there isn't anything there that his son who's going to take over can't handle himself, he's looking for some way to pass on what he's learned from his past, and wants to help others to avoid making the same mistakes he did. From theft and burglary, to moderate success owning a local business. If he was able to do it, who says none of the people committing crimes now can't?  (Apr 30, 2017 | post #53)

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"Open carry" bill shot down

Lol "freak out", quietly evade and walk away.... same difference.  (Apr 30, 2017 | post #57)

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Senate votes to eliminate concealed gun permits

You pay taxes don't you? I always figured that paying for things like licenses, and permits, no matter what it's for, is essentially just a different form of taxation. Not too many complain about the $10 or so to renew their drivers license. Rarely do I hear complaints about having to pay for sellers permits, or anything like that. It's just part of the capitalistic system. It can be really annoying, and if the fees are too high, there's something wrong with that, but I accept this as a part of the system we are trying to sustain.  (Apr 30, 2017 | post #8)

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"Open carry" bill shot down

hmm... don't remember condoning actions that harm others. The whole point in my arguments on guns is that I don't want anyone getting harmed at all if possible... you know, if only the world were more ideal, and wishes such as that. For example, ideally, the government is meant to be a system through which our society regulates itself, sort of an arm of the greater majority of society. This creates a give-and-take sort of system. Government can't exist without us, but without a governing system, there's a high chance society would fall apart. There needs to be an equilibrium between both entities, but therein lies an issue. If society is unable to come to a firm stance on where that equilibrium lies, giving too much power on either side of the system, then things will fall apart. As Plato points out in his "Republic " a democracy can only end in tyranny. Even with issues like this related to guns, it's a matter of balance. What is the point in which "regulation " has gone too far, and the government has seized too much power? What is the point where "deregulation " has gone too far and no one has discipline and society exists in chaos? Where is that sweet spot in the middle that would keep us in balance? We could argue about that for a millennium and likely never come to a full agreement. So instead, we teeter back and forth, taking steps toward the balancing point, then stepping to far, only to step back in the other direction, back and forth. It was because of the need to keep from giving too much power to the government, that the bill of rights was created, and amendments were written, added over the years, both giving and taking away powers from governing forces. Democracy survives on the ability to communicate our views and sometimes compromise, and it's stubborn fools like some of us here, who would be the downfall of the system. We fair a bit better, being a democratic republic, rather than a true democracy, but the same issues still plague us, as it has since the birth of our country.  (Apr 27, 2017 | post #54)

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"Open carry" bill shot down

I fail to see a problem there. If they are also finding me suspicious, then there's that much more reason for us not to interact. We avoid each other, and there will be no issue. Sounds good to me. I mean sure, that would mean that the two of us could never be friends, despite us both being perfectly decent people who could even have common interests... but I think I can live missing out on a few potential friends... And I don't care much for shooting ranges or things like that, so aside from the few times I went while wanting to learn how to handle the gun my mother had given me, I never go. So You don't have to tell me not to go to gun ranges or hunting grounds... I already don't lol  (Apr 27, 2017 | post #53)

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Chicago: Mayor Emanuel Demands Tougher Laws For Gun Deale...

Correction... I have yet to see any governing power within our country get it right... There are some countries that have gotten gun control to work in ways that were fine with them... but probably wouldn't fly if we tried them here.  (Apr 25, 2017 | post #4)

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Chicago: Mayor Emanuel Demands Tougher Laws For Gun Deale...

I feel like gun control, if done right, could be a useful part of crime control though... The issue is that I have yet to see any governing power get it right... This gun dealership thing is just a drop in the bucket... one step among a thousand possible steps that could be taken in the process of bringing crime rates down. I can see how it COULD help, but without the right actions taken alongside this new legislation, it'll likely fall flat and even do more harm than good. I don't claim to know what the best actions to take are... I don't live in Chicago. Chicago HAS attempted to make other changes as well within the communities... to varying levels of success and failure... at this point it feels like they're baby-stepping and throwing ideas at the wall to see what sticks nicely, and what just pools into a big mess on the floor...  (Apr 25, 2017 | post #3)

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Senate votes to eliminate concealed gun permits

I dunno... The argument of money can go either way.... It also kinda feels like requiring the permits was more of a "threat" to the growth of pockets of gun dealers and gun lobbyist groups like the NRA... Either way... someone was getting "short-change d" in the deal. I mean... that's $20 that could have been going towards the gun you buy! Lol I mean... I don't claim to be rich. $20 can feel like a lot of money... I can buy lunch for at least a week with $20. (I have actually) and with the US having the largest number of guns per capita and permits being required and costing varying amounts for different states and different types of guns... permits for purchase, permits for carry... permits permits permits.... it certainly can add up... and given the times I honestly have my doubts that the Sheriff's office and such were putting that money to any real good for the people anyway... Probably was just pocketing the money themselves and buying expensive and unnecessarily extravagant things... Welp... after thinking myself in a circle just now I have come to a conclusion... people are kinda screwed either way... so it is what it is.  (Apr 25, 2017 | post #5)

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Senate votes to eliminate concealed gun permits

Meh... rather than "loosening " the reigns on legal gun ownership... I wish they would find an effective way to tighten them on illegal ownership... I mean... I can't help but think that not requiring a permit makes the illegal ownership even easier than it already seems. Oh well, it is what it is... maybe they have some kind of legislation or policy in mind that will deal with the illegal ownership, that they needed to get rid of the permits to make work? Trying to be optimistic... Though lets face it, history has proven our government to be quite ineffective when it comes to legislation regarding public safety in general... especially when it relates to guns. They probably have nothing...  (Apr 25, 2017 | post #4)

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Grandfather says three teenage armed robbers 'did not des...

I am sorry about your home being broken into. I hope you and anyone in your home weren't hurt. I remember when my college apartment was broken into... my roommate was hysterical for weeks. It was freaky, to say the least, waking up with a stranger standing over us in our beds... lucky for us he was just one of our neighbors from another hall, drunk/high/whateve r. I tossed him out of the apartment rather easily, and the police found him down the stairs lying in a pool of vomit. no one was hurt... aside from him when I punched him in the chin, but it still stands that our place was broken into. I was unsettled, but being an insomniac, there wasn't really much sleep left to lose, and once I knew how he got in, (broke the lock on our door, that we had already reported as being loose and was scheduled to have fixed soon anyway.) we fixed the problem, my roommate started sleeping with some kind of "stun stick" or whatever that zappy thing was, under her pillow, and I was just fine. Just last year a family friend had her house broken into twice, because the house nearby and across from her, that was abandoned a year ago, had become a hub for lord only knows what those hooligans were dealing in over there. The first time, they were scared off by her alarm and didn't take anything. The second time she grabbed her gun and hid in a closet until the police came, but since she had an idea where their hub was, she was able to send the police to the house where they caught like 3-4 of them with her china and loads of drugs. It's nice having a decently effective police force in town. They even staked out the house and rounded up a few more people before word got around and they stopped using that house... I hear it's been fixed up a bit and is up for sale now, too. She was very unsettled by what happened, and began regularly looking around her neighborhood for any houses that might be "empty", but she seems to be holding up okay. Never once talked about moving or anything. She was actually really happy with how well she managed to handle herself, and even submitted a column to the local newspaper thanking the officers that helped her and expressing her appreciation of our police department.  (Apr 25, 2017 | post #48)

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Grandfather says three teenage armed robbers 'did not des...

I am not fond of semi-automatic guns like the AR 15 because of the rate at which it can unleash bullets... Its all part of my idealistic wish of having no one die. Kinda hard not to die when you've had up to 20 bullets unloaded at your body over the course of like 6 seconds... I mean... who cares if it's only a .22 or so caliber bullet, if you just took 3 to the chest? (0.22 bullets are standard for the AR 15 right? Or did I mix that up with another gun?... ).223? Whatever it's a lower caliber than others...) I understand AR 15 is popular, because of how "easy" it is to use, but for Christ's sake, is it really that hard to just have decent aim with your handgun? One good shot (out of the like 3 that you probable missed with lol) with a strong bullet can be just as if not more stopping than 2-4 shots with the lower caliber. And if it's well placed to disable rather than kill, all the better. It's idealistic to think that in your panicked state while being threatened, you'd be able to keep wits about you enough to even care about not shooting to kill... but still. I don't like semi-automatic rifles because it makes riddling a body with bullets all too quick and easy... for good and bad guys alike. That's just my opinion though. A personal gripe. I dislike them, but hey, they're legal... and they make it "easier" when you have to use them... so why not? I just wish they weren't so... "easy".. .  (Apr 25, 2017 | post #47)