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Long Beach, CA

FDA Banning Electronic Cigarettes?

The FDA keeps making claims that they are going to regulate electronic cigarettes. How quickly they forget the past when they were sued by the first couple of companies and lost both cases. They have no right to put regulations on something that isn't considered a drug. The FDA sets regulations on drugs and made the claim that electronic cigarettes are a drug device. The US Court of Appeals in Sottera Inc. v. Food & Drug Administration, 10- 5032. The U.S. Court of Appeals, District of Columbia Circuit ruled that the FDA lacks the authority to regulate electronic cigarettes as drug devices. Articles continue to appear from states making the claim that they will ban electronic cigarettes. They are all so frustrated from Big Tobacco to the individual states themselves. The tobacco industry is doing a nose dive to the death of their rolled tobacco product. Rolled tobacco is still the highest taxed commodity in the country. So the states are just as upset because they are not getting ALL those tobacco taxes they counted on every year from sales. I tip my hat off to all those who have made the switch. Source: http://bit.ly/1bBb lZX  (Nov 19, 2013 | post #1)

Long Beach, CA

Buy Electronic Cigarettes to Stop? I'd read this first

I would say they are already trying. Not to my experience though. I use the transit district here in Long Beach because I don't drive. I take a hit off my electronic cigarette all the time within 20 feet of a bus stop. This has been near stops that are empty, have others waiting as well and at the end of a route. Where the bus turns around to head back. Doing a 180 on the route so to speak. The driver usually takes a break for 5 minutes before he has to start trucking again to stay on schedule. I have used my electronic cigarette with them as well looking right at me. They say nothing to me so I'm assuming they know what burning tobacco smells like and guess what, they don't smell it. They have probably heard of them as well. I haven't watched television for 2 years and all the better for it. However, I hear from others that one of the big tobacco companies decided to buy a company. Get their feet in the door and get a piece of the pie. So big money is running commercials for this Blu Cig (crap) electronic cigarette. LOL The 50s all over again. So I'm guessing the bus drivers and many of the passengers have seen these ads on TV. When they see me taking a couple hits they probably freak out. Since they look SO real. Seeing the LED light at the end that looks just like the cherry of a cigarette. Then they see me shove it back in my shirt pocket and probably think some crazy thoughts. "DID you see that fool? He just took a few puffs of his cigarette and put it in his pocket." Only to watch and see that nothing starts burning. Especially me. Then come to the realization, "Oh, that must have been one of them new fangled things. What do they call them Ellen?" Thanks, Ronald. I appreciate all your feedback on my venture.  (Nov 13, 2013 | post #7)

Long Beach, CA

Buy Electronic Cigarettes to Stop? I'd read this first

Electronic cigarettes are the best alternative I have found to replace lighting up. I was disappointed with one I purchased in a retail store. Then a friend online told me to avoid the stores. Purchase online only. Better prices and quality. After going to Electronic Cigarettes Stop I found myself reading all the articles and information. After choosing the green smoke brand, I received it in five days with FREE shipping. That was about two months ago and I have not lit up any rolled tobacco for six weeks now. I would recommend them to anyone thinking about kicking the butts for a new year's resolution. All the holiday discounts are here and will continue online through the end of the year. I'm going to purchase a couple for some friends. The perfect holiday gift. Source: http://bit.ly/1hFh U3O  (Nov 11, 2013 | post #5)

Long Beach, CA

Buy Electronic Cigarettes to Stop? I'd read this first

To start with, everything I have found during my hours of research are the 4 ingredients. Liquid/water, flavor, nicotine and propylene glycol. The last one is the ingredient that gives the vapor an appearance of smoke. The same is used in fog machines you may have seen at a haunted house during Halloween. It is also used in many products including those you ingest. Having more than the "4" is possible. I can only go by the labels and many pages of literature I've read. To eliminate chemicals from coming into your body, just stop drinking, eating and breathing. They are everywhere. It's called the "Slow Kill" by the corporations. The frog in the pot of simmering water. I don't think they are attractive to kids. The young generation has been hammered by the Mainstream Media with "Second Hand Smoke" ads they've seen on television. An electronic cigarette looks too much like real smoking to an onlooker. When I'm out in public using mine, passing kids walking home from school, I see them going out of their way to go around me. They don't want to inhale any of that second hand smoke. Little do they know, it's just vapor. *snickering* This is where the "Big Boys" find themselves in the middle of their own, push and pull predicament that they created. In the middle of their own ying and yang. They had their own FDA slamming the gavel in court, losing every time. Then they tried with the BBB which was a joke. While the CDC gave it a shot as well. With all losing big time. So what's their last ditch effort? Go for the gusto, go for the gut and state how they could affect a child's life. THAT will get them! In my opinion, if you're so concerned about the children, BAN Vaccines completely! Now Big Tobacco is on the other side. Walking in with their heads down. "We're sorry for all the false propaganda. In fact, if you can forgive us we'd really like a piece of the pie." So now, three of the largest tobacco companies have come out with their own brand of electronic cigarette. THAT'S where you need to watch for more chemicals than those listed on the label. Lorilard bought out "Blu Cig" in 2012. Famous makers of Camel and Pall Mall, Reynold American has introduced their own electronic cigarette on the market named, "VUSE". While "Altria" of Phillip Morris, makers of Marlboro was the second company in 2013 to release their brand of electronic cigarette named, "MarkTen ". Stay away from ALL of them! That's where you'll find the toxic chemicals. I remember the Rams of Millikan. I was a Jackrabbit myself. Class of '76. As far as stores go, I wouldn't be too concerned about them. Again, the children remember the second hand smokes ads. For adults looking to kick the habit 90% of the products I've seen in retail are garbage, including Blu Cig. Electronic cigarettes of true quality can only be found and purchased online. The quality is better, the price is more affordable and the customer service is nothing to sneeze at. Source: http://bit.ly/1hFh U3O  (Nov 9, 2013 | post #4)

Long Beach, CA

Buy Electronic Cigarettes to Stop? I'd read this first

Buy Electronic Cigarettes to Stop? I'd read this first before falling for all the false propaganda being fed to the public. The local newspapers are full of fear mongering and scare tactics. Don't be mislead by all the garbage they print. Don't let them put the fear in you that nicotine is toxic. While the whole, "They haven't been around long enough. So we don't know what the effects of long term use could cause", is a fear with no facts. Let's see, ...the FDA has approved nicotine patches and gum, hundreds of vaccines along with pharmaceutical drugs. These are available on the shelves everywhere to purchase. They are all killing you and they have been approved by the Fraud & Death Association. Electronic cigarettes have 4 to 5 basic ingredients. They can save you thousands of dollars along with improving your health. Most of all they fulfill the physical part of the habit that most don't pay any mind to. It's not the nicotine that addicts you as much as the physical gestures. An electronic cigarette gives you the satisfaction of that throat hit you get with regular smoking. The physical hand to mouth gesture is a big part of the habit along with the fact that most who light up are simply bored at the moment. On the couch watching television. Stuck in bumper to bumper traffic during the rush hour. That is when most smokers grab the pack, pull one out and light it up. I enjoy my Green Smoke and it looks and feels like smoking one of those old rolled tobacco cigarettes. Without the ashes, the odor and the high cost which is crazy. Rolled tobacco is still the highest taxed commodity in the States. Going for as much as $120 in some big cities. You can purchase a starter kit for electronic cigarettes which only needs to be purchased once to get you started. Now is the time to start looking for all the Sales and big discounts around the corner with the Holidays coming. I started getting mine at a site that is full of information and facts. If money is tight and you are a smoker, fix two with one decision. Make the switch today. I did and will never regret it. Source: http://bit.ly/HI6r TX  (Nov 7, 2013 | post #1)

Long Beach, CA

Angry Po' Negroes Threaten to Riot

I hear ya. It's too bad they couldn't use them where I work. Well, actually I volunteer my time at a station that is listener funded by donations. The individual that owns the station is a farmer. Since it runs on donations only, he's tossing in a special seed pack for a $100 donation. 34,500 non-GMO non-hybrid seeds. Along with a free dvd which contains 900 documents on preparation, how to grow, harvest the food and seeds along with canning the food. To many, $100 may sound like a lot but how many times have you walked out of a grocery store, spent a $100 and the basket isn't even full? Most grocery stores spend the whole night before the first of each month raising prices anywhere from 20 to 60% because they know that stamp rush is coming in. Live in the city, say you have no where to plant? There's plenty of ways to plant with no back or front yard. Check it out sometime. Good Talk Radio/Alternative Source: http://bit.ly/19sX 8ks http://bit.ly/1cFq D2f  (Nov 4, 2013 | post #17)

Long Beach, CA

Angry Po' Negroes Threaten to Riot

Thanks for that and correcting me. I wasn't aware and apologize if I misinformed anyone on this Forum  (Nov 3, 2013 | post #15)

Long Beach, CA

Angry Po' Negroes Threaten to Riot

Hilarious but true. Is anyone aware who introduced the word racist to the public language of this country?? ...Obama was the first to ever use the term in a public speech. We are all here in this life and need to put a stop to this damn prejudice that you learn from the television and movie theaters on a monthly basis. Simply, it just doesn't have to be that way but is being passed down and taught from generation to generation. I mean, HOW CRAZY IS THIS?!?! Here's a perfect example. I produce an online radio show that has a chat room for visitors. Something on the show being aired was mentioned about "Dark Holes in space." Some fool went on this big rant in chat how that reference was racist! I asked, "Can you explain how?" He replied, "Every time the word dark or black is used it refers to something negative." I couldn't believe it. I was busting up in laughter! I stated, "So... when I turn the lights off in a room at night and it becomes dark, that is a racist remark??" Then they came back with, "You don't get it. 200 years ago I couldn't buy a house or couldn't vote." ROTFL I replied, "Wow... are you saying you were here 200 years ago??" Yall need to stop this CHIT!! If not, the children 200 years from now, if this planet exists, will claim they are being judged because of their ethnicity. GIMME A BREAK!! Stop teaching the youth around you old labeling that is centuries old and has no emphasis on anything these days. Only in your minds. ...like the title of this thread. That's where it begins.  (Nov 3, 2013 | post #11)

Long Beach, CA

Angry Po' Negroes Threaten to Riot

I have to agree with you on this one. I've never been on Food Stamps and am unemployed at the time. I eat once a day and sometimes go a day without eating. Since I don't collect Food Stamps I'm not familiar with the amounts paid on a monthly basis. I'm sure it would take some good organization to make the amount last through the thirty days. I have to agree with the comment above. I don't think it was good that the Fast Food places started accepting them. Who offer nothing but trash with no nutritional value at all. Is that what this program was intended for? Not in my opinion. For those who have used EBT at these places, you need to rethink your habits. Especially if you have children. A story comes to mind that a neighbor shared with me one time. "I can't understand these kids. I just went to MickeyD's a couple of hours ago for them. Now they're coming to me and saying they're hungry." ...Yeah, their body probably is. HELLO  (Nov 3, 2013 | post #7)

Long Beach, CA

Electronic Cigarettes Stop the Urge to Light Up

One of the interesting things I've noticed in researching is where you can purchase electronic cigarettes. Since their debut in late 2009, the only place you could purchase them is online. I'm sure that had a lot to do with Big Money not being part of it and not wanting them in the public eye. As I spoke of earlier, Big Money has been battling them in the court system since 2010 and lost every case. Coming to the realization that they would keep losing it appears they came to a conclusion. "Instead of fighting this with no victory in site, we should be getting a piece of it." I've noticed in my reading that three of the biggest tobacco companies have jumped on the band wagon. Lorilard bought out Blu Cig which appears to be one of the first big ones that came into the market. I go into a Wal-Mart once a year if that. Which is where I found this brand when I became interested. I was not happy with the product. The vapor was okay but the flavor didn't last very long with this brand of electronic cigarette. I asked some friends who use electronic cigarettes and I got a "That's too bad" reply from them. Telling me if I wanted to find the quality brands of electronic cigarettes I needed to look online. Not in retail stores. I guess that goes with the old saying, "You get what you paid for." I started looking for one in particular that many were supporting and came across the following article, "Can You Buy Green Smoke In Stores?" This had good information and suggested the same that other people were saying. The first advantage is that you won't have to spend any money gas. Which is a plus with the way gasoline prices are today. The other advantage is that you'll be able to use your keyboard and shop from the screen in front of you. Taking your time and not feeling rushed into make any decision. That's always a good thing and you are more likely to be pleased with the decision you make. Source: http://bit.ly/1hFh U3O  (Nov 3, 2013 | post #10)

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BEST Smoking Alternative is Not Endorsed by the FDA

It is becoming clear even to the most anti-social "Liberal " that the Government's interest in the "health" of the citizenry has nothing to do with health. Rather, it has everything to do with thieving politicians' satisfying their addiction to ever more worker *("middle ")* class tax money for purposes of increasing levels of taxation and greater Government control. Big Government's sudden interest in beneficial electronic "cigarettes " proves the point. Electronic cigarettes may appear to be the latest fad to many. After smoking for twenty years I was looking for an alternative to smoking that would help me. I just didn't know much about them and surfed the web looking for information. I found many sites that were selling them but couldn't find much information about them. If anybody has thought about switching to electronic cigarettes I recommend looking for a review site. I got what they call a starter kit about a month ago. After two weeks using this electronic cigarette called Green Smoke, I haven't lit up one cigarette since then. I've also got an old pickle jar and been dumping the cash that I would have spent on regular cigarettes in it. It's starting to add up and I might need a bigger jar in the future. What's even funnier is that the FDA has come out to say, "They haven't been around that long. We just don't know the long term effects of them." So let's put those two together and look at the track record. If nicotine is toxic, why are the store shelves covered with products like nicotine gum and nicotine patches that contain the same "product "? Which you have approved and made available for sale? In an article, "United States Court of Appeals Rules Against the FDA" written by an author that shall remain nameless, they lost a second court trial. Trying to repeal the decision of the first judge. The FDA made the argument that electronic cigarettes should be marketed as a drug device. We all know the FDA prevents the sale of any dangerous drug and prevents them from getting on store shelves. The Federal Appeals Court ruled, "Electronic cigarettes can be regulated only as tobacco products under the 'Family Smoking Prevention' and 'Tobacco Control Act' which defines tobacco products as those 'derived from tobacco' unless they are marketed as a therapeutic device, which reputable brands of electronic cigarettes are not." The FDA lost the case 5 to 4 vote. Now the FDA continues to be the center of many articles stating they are currently working on regulations and legislation to ban or restrict the use of electronic cigarettes. Did they forget the last ruling that is discussed in the paragraph prior to this one? Sounds to me like "Big Money" isn't getting a piece of the pie and are not very happy about it. Because it's gobbling up the big pie they had in their back pocket, "Big Tobacco" and are chewing it apart. Source: http://bit.ly/180E bSo  (Nov 2, 2013 | post #1)

Long Beach, CA

Electronic Cigarettes Stop the Urge to Light Up

Thanks for the replies, Ronald. You made excellent points of view in both of them. I'll bet most readers thought nicotine could only be derived from a tobacco plant. Eggplant, peppers and tea may not be part of many diets today. I would bet the other two are. Potatoes and tomatoes play a big role in many diets. Enjoying that backed potato, some mashed potatoes or a plate of Mom's potato salad. Think of all the sauces where the tomato is the base ingredient along with salads or toppings for sandwiches and burgers. While you thought you enjoyed ketchup just because it went well with mustard on a hot dog or was perfect to dip those french fries in. Maybe it was just the nicotine and you are addicted to it. I believe all plants were put on this earth because of the benefits they could supply to humanity. Be it done by the Creator of whoever you believe in. As Ronald stated this has been proven with nicotine. The health advantages to Tetrahydrocannabin ols (THC) are becoming more apparent everyday. It has been proven that the human body has receptors that are screaming out for some. So what's the problem here? Again, there was no money in it for "Big Money". At least, that's what they want you to believe. So they made it demonic starting in the 60s followed by President Nixon claiming a War on Drugs and shoved cannabis into that category. I have found the same with electronic cigarettes. They offer you another choice for smoking without the smoke. This has been fought in the courts since 2010 by the alphabet agencies. Number one being the Fraud and Death Association (FDA). They lost their first case by a Federal District Court Judge while being sued by two of the first companies on the market. In an article, "United States Court of Appeals Rules Against the FDA" written by an author that shall remain nameless, they lost a second court trial. Trying to repeal the decision of the first judge. The FDA made the argument that electronic cigarettes should be marketed as a drug device. We all know the FDA prevents the sale of any dangerous drug and prevents them from getting on store shelves. The Federal Appeals Court ruled, "Electronic cigarettes can be regulated only as tobacco products under the 'Family Smoking Prevention' and 'Tobacco Control Act' which defines tobacco products as those 'derived from tobacco' unless they are marketed as a therapeutic device, which reputable brands of electronic cigarettes are not." The FDA lost the case 5 to 4 vote. Now the FDA continues to be the center of many articles stating they are currently working on regulations and legislation to ban or restrict the use of electronic cigarettes. Did they forget the last ruling that is discussed in the paragraph prior to this one? Source: http://bit.ly/180E bSo  (Oct 31, 2013 | post #6)

Long Beach, CA

Electronic Cigarettes Stop the Urge to Light Up

I really enjoyed the points made in the comment before this one. I will do my best to reply with that in mind. I've continued to read about this product. I did a lot of research before making the decision to give them a try. What I find hilarious about some articles I've read is that electronic cigarettes contain nicotine which is a toxic. First of all, that's not true. The amount of toxicity is SO small, it could be compared to a particle of sand. What's even funnier is that the FDA has come out to say, "They haven't been around that long. We just don't know the long term effects of them." So let's put those two together and look at the track record. If nicotine is toxic, why are the store shelves covered with products like nicotine gum and nicotine patches that contain the same "product "? Which you have approved and made available for sale? Sounds to me like "Big Money" isn't getting a piece of the pie and are not very happy about it. Because it's gobbling up the big pie they had in their back pocket, "Big Tobacco" and are chewing it apart. To answer your other question, from the research I've done I see most of these products have a total of four ingredients. While regular cigarettes have up to 500 chemicals in them. It gets higher when you light one up. The combustion of a regular cigarette raises the number to almost 5,000 that you are inhaling. After reading all that, the choice appeared simple to me. While I have 60% more cash in my pocket. Hmm... wonder where all that is coming from? Tobacco cigarettes are still the highest taxed commodity for sale in the United States.  (Oct 31, 2013 | post #4)

Long Beach, CA

Electronic Cigarettes Stop the Urge to Light Up

Electronic cigarettes may appear to be the latest fad to many. After smoking for twenty years I was looking for an alternative to smoking that would help me. I just didn't know much about them and surfed the web looking for information. I found many sites that were selling them but couldn't find much information about them. As I continued to look around, a friend was telling me how they helped him kick the habit. While suggesting that I look for electroniccigarett esstop(dot)com because it helped him. This place had reviews that included the information I was looking for. How they work, what I need to get started and the mechanics of them. The articles caught my interest talking about all the talk and propaganda around electronic cigarettes. They separated the truth from all the myths being spread out there about the product. If anybody has thought about switching to electronic cigarettes I recommend looking for a place like this. I got what they call a starter kit about a month ago. After two weeks using this one called Green Smoke I haven't lit up one cigarette since then. I've also got an old pickle jar and been dumping the cash that I would have spent on regular cigarettes in it. It's starting to add up and I might need a bigger jar in the future. Best of all, I'm starting to feel better and not breathing hard after doing some work in the back yard for thirty minutes. These are better than any nicotine gum or patches I've found available in retail stores.  (Oct 31, 2013 | post #1)

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