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Global Warming

Who still takes global warming seriously?

Compare those with the Vietnam wars, the revolutions in China, the killing fields of Cambodia, Katanga, Biafra, and going back a little bit we have WWII and its predecessor wars, the Spanish Civil War, WWI, the Balkan wars, and I'm sure with the help of history books you could track down the rest of them. Seriously, we're in a period of world peace unmatched since the time of the Pax Brittanica.  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #2329)

Global Warming

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leavin...

Computer models show how computer models work. They are incapable of actually showing what is happening in the real world unless extensively 'ground truthed', which none of these have been..  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #19831)

Global Warming

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leavin...

And none of it has to do with the actual science. It's a waste of time to concentrate on news releases and simplistic popularizations.  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #19830)

Global Warming

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leavin...

It's a nice mantra, and doubtless reassuring to the flock of the believers, but flatly not true. Warming has never been steady. We can see the 2-3 year nino-nina oscillations, and when those are filtered out the deeper drops from volcanic eruptions are visible. This last slump is longer than that produced by Pinatubo (early 90s drop) or El Chichon (early 80s drop) and has occurred without any monster volcanic eruptions. Obviously something that isn't GHG related is important enough a factor to overwhelm whatever amount of warming the ever-increasing CO2 might be creating.  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #19829)

Global Warming

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leavin...

When it is trivially obvious that the pace of warming is nearly zero, this sort of lying is most egregious. pretty graphs of global temperature averages updated monthly: http://hadobs.meto ffice.com/hadcrut3 /diagnostics/globa l/nh+sh/ http://tinyurl.com /cvnzt7 http://data.giss.n asa.gov/gistemp/gr aphs/ http://tinyurl.com /yv3a9x http://www.ncdc.no aa.gov/img/climate /research/global-j an-dec-error-bar-p g.gif http://tinyurl.com /ycbzv63 all three http://www.wmo.int /pages/mediacentre /press_releases/im ages/compare_datas ets_big.jpg All three of the terrestrial based datasets show that the 0.17 degrees per decade warming ground stalled out after 2001.  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #19810)

Global Warming

Who still takes global warming seriously?

That was the 19th century, and perhaps the first half of the 20th. Free trade (or a lot more free than in the past) has eliminated the need for military empires. That's probably why we have fewer wars, fewer casualties, and less war damage these days than at any time in the last two centuries.  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #2304)

Global Warming

Who still takes global warming seriously?

More to the point, when the solar cycle finally peaks in a few years and the temperatures continue to refuse to rise, the absence of detectable impact from GHGs will be even more obvious than it is already.  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #2303)

Global Warming

No one believes us, admit global warming scientists

You would not be the only AGW proseletyzer, FG, to be so mesmerized by the 1970-2000 upward trend that you fail to notice that it has not continued.  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #236)

Global Warming

No one believes us, admit global warming scientists

FG, temperatures stopped rising after 2001. Even with all the years of accumulating CO2, plus the added warming effects of an El Nino, 2009 failed to produce even a single new record warm month in any of the four datasets that keep track of such things: text chart of monthly averages (first column right of the date): http://hadobs.meto ffice.com/hadcrut3 /diagnostics/globa l/nh+sh/monthly http://tinyurl.com /yjm3fzc http://data.giss.n asa.gov/gistemp/ta bledata/GLB.Ts+dSS T.txt http://tinyurl.com /2xpyuo http://www.ncdc.no aa.gov/oa/climate/ research/anomalies /index.html http://tinyurl.com /yfqvpmx UAH satellite data. http://vortex.nsst c.uah.edu/data/msu /t2lt/uahncdc.lt  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #234)

Global Warming

Who still takes global warming seriously?

That's fine. You go ahead, with your own money. Meanwhile I'll continue to oppose people stealing my money for their wierdo dreams, be it with direct taxation, horrendously generous 'feed-in tariffs', subsidies, or anything else.  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #2287)

Global Warming

Who still takes global warming seriously?

The Sun is close to the maximum it ever gets to. It would be unrealistic to hope or expect the Sun to continue even at its current high levels, much less go beyond.  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #2286)

Global Warming

Who still takes global warming seriously?

Solar activity levels as shown by the C14 proxy clearly show the declines of the little ice ages of the Wolf Spoerer, Maunder, and Dalton minima: http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/File:Ca rbon14_with_activi ty_labels.svg And they show the recent century of solar maximum, equalling or possibly exceeding levels found during the Mediaeval Climatic Optimum. The graph ands at 1950 since the production of C14 from nuclear tests overwhelms the solar activity signal. And the next Grand Solar Minimum is soon to be upon us, with the extreme length of solar cycle 23 and the extremely slow onset of cycle 24 matched only by cycles 4 and 5 at the beginning of the last little ice age of the Dalton Minimum. http://www.landsch eidt.info/  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #2283)

Global Warming

Who still takes global warming seriously?

The Sun has been on an exceptional warming cycle up until about 2000, and has only since then started to go into a cooler phase. Cycle 22, for example from 1986-1996 was one of the shortest ever observed, at 9.7 years, whereas the following one lasted at least 12.5 years and cycle 24 has the slowest onset since cycle 5 at the beginning of the Dalton Minumum and the last little ice age. And we have seen how worldwide temperatures used to be increasing, but after 2001 that warming stalled out. pretty graphs of global temperature averages: Hadley: http://tinyurl.com /cvnzt7 NASA GISS: http://tinyurl.com /yv3a9x NOAA: http://tinyurl.com /ycbzv63  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #2280)

Global Warming

No one believes us, admit global warming scientists

Theories make predictions. Theories are tested against their predictions. When the predictions FAIL, theories are normally revised, re-evaluated, reconsidered, re-calculated, or just plain re-jected. The only thing keeping the AGW theory still staggering along is the forces of political correctness that have been attached to the issue. 'Political correctness' being the belief that you can teach someone how to pick up a turd by the clean end.  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #227)

Global Warming

No one believes us, admit global warming scientists

Or the Sun's activity level declines, as happened to cause the little ice ages that followed the mediaeval climatic optimum. And Landscheidt's predictions of yet another Grand Solar Minimum appear to be coming to pass, unlike the predictions of the IPCC for more rapid warming. http://www.landsch eidt.info/ Figure 10.4, page 762 of the IPCC Fourth Report shows the projected temperatures for this year to be more than 0.1 degrees warmer than actual: http://tinyurl.com /2wjytr graphs of global temperature averages updated monthly: http://hadobs.meto ffice.com/hadcrut3 /diagnostics/globa l/nh+sh/ http://tinyurl.com /cvnzt7  (Feb 25, 2010 | post #226)