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Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

Summary and final post on this particular thread, for a while, at least: - Trayvon wasn't doing anything wrong when George decided to pursue him. - According to the state of Florida, Trayvon's actions would have been supported by the Stand Your Ground law, IF indeed he had struck Zimmerman first. - Trayvon's past of recreational marijuana use and having once taken a photo of a gun DOES NOT APPLY, according to the judge, and it shouldn't in any manner. What kid hasn't done something stupid? When I was a teenager, I smoked pot AND I've taken pictures with guns that didn't belong to me before, as well. However, I'm not a bad person. - George Zimmerman is an adult. - He had proper training as a neighborhood watch captain and blatantly broke protocol on that fateful night, ignoring the orders of several higher-ranking officials. - If you want to bring up these people's pasts, Zimmerman actually has a history of domestic violence. While Trayvon has no criminal record. We have the right to our own opinions, but the Florida justice system will have the final say.  (Jun 28, 2013 | post #52)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

You're a sick, sick person. I see who you are now and I'm not going there with you. Have fun!  (Jun 28, 2013 | post #51)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

Also, the point of the Stand Your Ground law is to NOT retreat. It gives a person the right to fight, instead of flee. In most states, you have to at least try to get away, but not in Florida. And just to clarify... It has yet to be proven that Trayvon hit Zimmerman first. At this point, it's just hearsay. If the judge allows this new video to be released, we'll know, without a shadow of a doubt, what really happened. Until then, this is going nowhere. You have your mind made up and no amount of evidence, law or fact will change that.  (Jun 28, 2013 | post #49)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

Even Zimmerman's lawyer has noted that BY FLORIDA STATE LAW, the Stand Your Ground law could have been applied to Trayvon. WHICH IS WHY THEY WAIVED THE RIGHT TO USE IT IN ZIMMERMAN'S CASE, because the prosecution would have slaughtered them. Just because YOU may not feel threatened by being followed in a public place, doesn't mean that plenty of others wouldn't. I, personally, wouldn't feel threatened, but I can see how a 17 year old might. Trayvon may have been taller, but he was scrawny and not built like Zimmerman was. Also, how was Trayvon "up to no good?" He walked to the store (at a reasonable hour for a teenager, I might add) to get a can of tea and to buy some skittles for his soon-to-be stepbrother.  (Jun 28, 2013 | post #48)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

Surveillance footage of the confrontation has apparently surfaced... They are in court discussing it now and Zimmerman is sweating bullets! If you're at all interested, turn your TV to CNN or HLN.  (Jun 28, 2013 | post #46)

West Point, KY

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This isn't new. Happens all the time... Freedom of speech, isn't as free as you think.  (Jun 28, 2013 | post #2)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

The Stand Your Ground law in Florida applies if you feel that you are in imminent danger, which Trayvon did. It does not matter whether George hit Trayvon first, as long as Trayvon had reason to believe he was in danger. And by George continuing to follow him, he did. Don't believe me? Look it up! The Stand Your Ground Law applies for: 776.013  Home protection; use of deadly force; PRESUMPTION OF FEAR OF DEATH OR GREAT BODILY HARM.— (1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if: (a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and (b) The person who uses defensive force knew or HAD REASON TO BELIEVE that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred. Zimmerman got what was coming to him, period!  (Jun 28, 2013 | post #45)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

Who cares I see it like this it's one less ni***r in the world he should be given an medal not on trial. But it's not appropriate in this politically correct farce of a country." "no you black pieces of crap are whats wrong you all should have chains on your legs plowing my field. But i forgot most of your kind are in prison so i guess you like them chains." "your just an n***er lover who breeds these half breed pieces of garbage!" Etc... Nope! Not racists. Just the fine upstanding citizens of the wonderful state of Kentucky!  (Jun 28, 2013 | post #44)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

Mason, you've repeatedly stated that Zimmerman didn't break any laws, but what law did Trayvon break? If he were still alive today, he could have used the Stand Your Ground law as his defense for beating Zimmerman's a** or worse, killing him. Which is precisely why Zimmerman waived his rights to apply that law to his own defense... Trayvon wasn't doing anything wrong! He noticed a man had been following him and he defended himself. What's so hard to understand about that? The fact that Zimmerman had legitimate training as head of his neighborhood watch group and broke protocol by taking matters into his own hands, will come back to bite him. Mark my words. By the way, I'm far from the youngin' you're assuming I am.  (Jun 28, 2013 | post #42)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

I was responding to the ridiculous racist comments in my first response. I don't necessarily believe that this case is fueled by race, although Zimmerman did repeatedly call the police on young black males, which makes one wonder if he considers all black people suspicious. But that's beside the point, because he isn't being charged with a hate crime. And why not dignify those hate-fueled comments with a response? Being silent is the same as reciprocating, in my book... Yes. Trayvon referred to Zimmerman as a "creepy cracker." He also called him a n***er.  (Jun 28, 2013 | post #41)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

The police department OFFICIAL who worked with George Zimmerman on establishing a neighborhood watch program at a gated community in Sanford, Fla., testified Tuesday that members of such groups were not supposed to follow suspicious people and were told to stand aside and allow the police to do their jobs. On the second day of witness testimony in the well-publicized murder case, Wendy Dorival of the Sanford, Fla., police department described the protocols under which neighborhood watch groups operated." http://www.latimes .com/news/nation/n ationnow/la-na-nn- george-zimmerman-n eighborhood-watch- 20130625,0,7056736 .story  (Jun 27, 2013 | post #28)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

By the way, following someone is against the law. It's called STALKING. Also, the dispatcher IS an official. And the person who trained Zimmerman's neighborhood watch group was an actual police officer and even he told Zimmerman not to follow anyone that he deemed suspicious, but to call the cops instead... Again, you lose.  (Jun 27, 2013 | post #27)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

You've just lost all credibility in this debate, Mason. There is no mention of a cinder block in any of the police reports; No mention of a cinder block brought up in the trial; No cinder block was marked as evidence or present at the crime scene. Your bubble news source is the only web page that has even mentioned a cider block... If you knew the first thing about this case, you would know that Trayvon apparently bashed Zimmerman's head onto a CONCRETE SIDEWALK. However, like I said earlier, according to Florida state law, Trayvon had every right to fight back and stand his ground, because he was being stalked. The whole reason Zimmerman waived his rights to use the Stand Your Ground law as part of his defense, is because the prosecution could have proved that Trayvon was the only one who had the right to apply the Stand Your Ground law... You lose.  (Jun 27, 2013 | post #26)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

You certainly aren't a law professor, Mason, and it's painfully obvious! George Zimmerman pursued Trayvon Martin, not the other way around. And in the state of Florida that gave Trayvon the right (by law) to stand his ground... Even if nobody had told Zimmerman to stop following the kid, the stand your ground law would still have applied to Trayvon, because he had felt threatened. The fact that George was advised, by a number of higher ranking officials, NOT to follow Trayvon or any other suspicious person(s) - is just icing on the cake and will lead to his undoing... Trayvon wasn't doing anything unlawful that night, and for whatever reason, George targeted and proceeded to stalk him. Anyone would have fought back. Also, no one was hit with a cinder block... Do some research, before you spew such crap!  (Jun 26, 2013 | post #20)

Elizabethtown, KY

travon martin

Hey Cletus, I AM WHITE, you idiot! I just don't believe that I'm any better than anyone else is, simply because of my skin color. Nor do I believe that anyone is any less of a human than I am, because the pigmentation of their skin happens to be a darker shade than mine... You wanna talk about stereotypes? Let's have a discussion about all of the uneducated, toothless, meth addicted, cousin loving, kid touching, WHITE wonders out there (like yourself, I'm assuming.) How about the fact that the majority of the serial killers/mass murders/pedophiles in this country just so happen to be WHITE. Or the fact that the most disgustingly heinous crimes are typically committed by WHITE men... You're also leaving out one very important point as to why so many black people are in prison. It's because racism is still rampant in this country, you fool! When a white person gets caught with drugs, etc. their dope is confiscated, they get a ticket, and they're sent on their merry way. When a black person is caught with drugs, etc. it's "go directly to jail; do not pass go, do not collect $200." It really is THAT simple... You're an embarrassment and a disgrace to the fine, upstanding people of this country! Do us all a favor and go count mufflers on the nearest highway! ;)  (Jun 26, 2013 | post #19)

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