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The Urantia book

The Urantia Book reveals what's wrong with the bible. LOLFuture prophecy is another matter, and no, it's not necessarily what "revelation " means. Revelation reveals, but not necessarily the future. Can you name any "prophecy " in the bible that ever came true, other than Jesus telling about the destruction of JerusalemGod didn't really "make" a bible. That's just what you've been indoctrinated to believe.  (Jul 16, 2015 | post #203)

Jehovah's Witness

The Urantia book

No one has said anyone was going to gain eternal life by The Urantia Book. That information is already in the bible, FROM JESUS (not from Paul or anyone else): "Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" And Jesus said to him, "What is written in the law? how do you read it?" And he answered saying, "Thou shall love God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." And Jesus said to him, "Thou has answered right: this do, and thou shall live." (Luke 10:25-28) "Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21) You must do the Father's will to enter into the kingdom of heaven. The Urantia Book says the same.  (Jul 16, 2015 | post #202)

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The Urantia book

Who told you thatWHAT is "another name for contacting demonsGod's Word" is largely not true. And it's even largerly not "God's WordNot according to Jesus. Why don't you listen to Him? "To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth." (John 18:37) Look, Jesus didn't say anything about Genesis being the foundation for why He came in the first place.  (Jul 16, 2015 | post #201)

Jehovah's Witness

The Urantia book

Where did you get that presumption from? And what's the difference between "celestial beings" and "outer space celestial beings"? Do you believe in angels? Are they ""outer space celestial beings" or are they just plain old "celestial beings"? You show yourself to be a dishonest character when you do thatThere was no "editing " or editorializing. Who told you that?: Dr. Sadler wrote, "The Papers were published just as we received them." "The contact commissioners had no editorial authority." "Our job was limited to spelling, capitalization, and punctuation." Emma Christensen, contact commissioner wrote, "The authors are all listed in the book itself..." "I can categorically assure you that no humans decided the content of the Urantia Book. The Book is as the revelators gave it to us." "The Urantia Book was not written by the Urantia Foundation. It is a revelation given to this world by superhuman personalities. " "The Urantia Book was published precisely as it was given to the people of this planet. Not a word has been added or deleted." "No human scholars edited the book." Thomas Kendall, Foundation trustee wrote, "The Urantia Book is arranged and assembled exactly as revealed." "No human ever edited this materialYour ignorance of these things is profound. At every step of the way long before 1971, each older set of documents was destroyed. The reason for this was to prevent the creation of sacred religious artifacts that might be worshiped the way things are done in the Catholic church, were bones of saints are worshiped and a chunk of wood supposedly from the cross is worshiped. I think you are referring to the 2200 nickel plates that were used for the First Printing. Yes, it's probably good that they were destroyed, humanity doesn't need another 2200 religious icons to fight over. The First Printing is an exact copy of those printing platesThe First Printing is what the revelators wanted to be printed. That's why it was printed. All other working copies would only be a distraction. They were just scaffolding. Once the building is complete, you take down the scaffolding. It's not necessary anymore. There are no "original manuscripts" of the bible either.  (Jul 16, 2015 | post #200)

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The Urantia book

The Urantia Book doesn't teach that. Who told you thatThe Urantia Book is not a sci-fi book of "fancy stories and conjecture." But you'd have to read it to dispel your ignorance. As Philip said to Nathaniel, "Come and see." You're not open to that, are you? And the Book of Revelation is a mess. No one knows what it means, certainly not you. 139:4.14 When in temporary exile on Patmos, John wrote the Book of Revelation, which you now have in greatly abridged and distorted form. This Book of Revelation contains the surviving fragments of a great revelation, large portions of which were lost, other portions of which were removed, subsequent to John’s writing. It is preserved in only fragmentary and adulterated form. -The Urantia Book  (Jul 16, 2015 | post #199)

Jehovah's Witness

The Urantia book

There are no prophecies in the bible either: "The writings of the prophets are among the most misunderstood parts of the Bible today, in no small measure because they are commonly read out of context." Many people today, especially conservative Christians, read the prophets as if they were crystal-ball gazers predicting events that are yet to transpire in our own time, more than two thousand years removed from when the prophets were actually speaking. This is a completely egocentric approach to the Bible (it's all about me!). But the biblical writers had their own contexts and, as a result, their own agendas. And those contexts and agendas are not ours. The prophets were not concerned about us; they were concerned about themselves and the people of God living in their own time. It is no wonder that most people who read the prophets this way (they've predicted the conflict in the Middle East! they foresaw Saddam Hussein! they tell us about Armageddon!) simply choose, to read one or another verse or passage in isolation, and do not read the prophets themselves in their entirety. When the prophets are read from beginning to end, it is clear that they are writing for their-own times. They often, in, fact, tell us exactly when they were writing-for example, under what king(s)-so that their readers can understand the historical situation they were so intent on addressing." Excerpt from "God's Problem" by Bart Ehrman  (Jul 16, 2015 | post #198)

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The Urantia book

But you haven't read it, right? So you really don't know what you're talking aboutWait, which is it? They haven't heard about it, or they laughed it off (when they did hear about it)? Do you know how ironic it is for you to suggest that Jehovah's Witnesses laugh off The Urantia Book? JW's are already the laughing stock of the religious world. Google "Jehovah's Witness" jokes.  (Jul 16, 2015 | post #197)

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The Urantia book

What aliens are you talking aboutJesus never taught that gospel. It does not come from Jesus. You should consider preaching the gospel that Jesus preached to the people.  (Jun 18, 2015 | post #179)

Jehovah's Witness

The Urantia book

You likely don't even know what the gospel is. Look: "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and [b]preaching the gospel of the kingdom,[/b] and healing every sickness and every disease among the people." (Matthew 9:35) "And it came to pass... that Jesus went throughout every city and village, [b]preaching and showing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God:[/b] and the twelve were with him..." (Luke 8:1) (Also see Matthew 4:23, Mark 1:14, and Luke 4:43.) What do you think the gospel was that Jesus and the 12 real apostles were preaching to the multitude before Jesus died? It certainly wasn't that you are "saved by grace" or "washed in the blood of the lamb," and so on. Jesus never taught those things. Those gospels do not come from Jesus.  (Jun 18, 2015 | post #178)

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The Urantia book

Jesus warned us about Paul: "For there shall arise... false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." -Mat 24:24 Then, In EXACTLY the same "signs and wonders" language that Jesus used in his warning about false prophets, Paul brags: "Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ." -Rom 15:19 And Paul said: "Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds." -2Co 12:12Paul was not one of the original apostles. Look: "Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent forth..." Matthew 10:2-5 Paul's name is not among themWhy don't you just follow Jesus, the Son of God? Why do you follow all these other voicesThat's right. Listen to Jesus and no one elseWhat intergalactic beings are you talking about? Jesus? He was one. Angels? They are them. Gabriel? Sure. Melchizedek?  (Jun 18, 2015 | post #177)

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Is "Michael" Jesus Christ' New Covenant name?

There is no Archangel Michael in Daniel 12:1 Michael is a Great Prince. A prince is the Son of the King, a member of the Royal Family. An angel is a servant in the King's house. The verse in Jude should is wrong and should read: Jud 1:9 Yet Gabriel, the archangel OF Michael, ... Gabriel is the archangel. He's the one who visited Mary. Yes, Jesus' name is Michael when Jesus is not here, but Michael is not an archangel. Michael is a divine Son of God.  (Jun 16, 2015 | post #157)

Jehovah's Witness

The Urantia book

I think you mean it's not true because it's not what you already believe. Right? That's really all you haveIt does notIt does not. It simply corrects the fairy tale you believe to be the truthSatan is a spirit being. He doesn't have a headNeither Jesus nor any of his 12 real, personally chosen and trained ever preached the "gospel" that you just preached above, to the people while Jesus was alive. Your gospel does not come from JesusIf you are a Paul follower, that's your problem. Jesus said, "Follow me." He never said Follow Paul. He never heard of Paul. Jesus tells you how you have redemption. Listen to Jesus. You don't need Paul. Paul tricked you: "Being crafty, I caught you with guile." (2Co 12:16) [b]"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."[/b] (Matthew 7:21) You must DO the Father's will to be saved. That's the gospel FROM Jesus.  (Jun 16, 2015 | post #161)

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The Urantia book

I just wanted to make a note regarding the integrity of this site. I see, farther up on the page I'm seeing that it says: Furchizedek West Covina, CA I have no idea about "West Covina, CA." I have never been there and certainly did not put that in my profile. My profile should say Kingman, AZ. I'll have to look at each entry from "Furchizedek West Covina, CA, to see if they are all what I wrote, or if perhaps the profile has been hacked. Anyway, just saying. The West Covina, CA is wrong, and it's an error of some sort.  (Jun 16, 2015 | post #157)

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What place do the Urantia papers have on a JW discussion ...

Their attitude seems to boil down to: "It's not what I already believe so it must be wrong." That's basically it.  (Mar 18, 2015 | post #226)

Jehovah's Witness

Tangible proof that Jesus is Michael, the angel

No, that's not why I think you're a pharisee. I think you're a pharisee because, like them, you think you already know it all and you reject new revelation out of hand, just like they rejected Jesus. I think, had you lived then, you would have rejected Jesus too, out of hand, because it wouldn't have been what you already believed. You follow Paul because he warned you not to accept any gospel but his, Paul's, even if that means rejecting Jesus' gospel, which is not the gospel that Paul preached. One way or the others, you're up to your neck in the cult of Paul. What do you think this verse means? "Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21) How does that fit in with Paul's gospels, that Jesus died for sins and that you are "saved by grace"? It doesn't fit. And neither Jesus nor any of his real apostles ever preached those two things to the people as the gospel while Jesus was alive. Then Paul came along and fooled the "elect" with guile. Jesus warned about it, but still Paul was able to do it. He who does the Father's will shall enter the kingdom of heaven. He who does the Father's will shall be saved. That's the gospel according do Jesus. Do you believe it? Do you know why Jesus came to earth? What does Paul say? What does Jesus say? [b]“To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.”[/b] (John 18:37) You would think that he would have told Pilate that he had come into the world to die for the sins of mankind. But he didn't. I don't care if you read The Urantia Book and I don't think you should. As Jack Nicholson said, "You can't handle the truth!". The problem with you is that you are indoctrinated and your mind is closed, because you think you know it all already. What's the difference between your attitude and that of say, the Jehovah's Witnesses (or are you one of them?), or the Mormons, or the Catholics who say, "There is no salvation outside of The Catholic Church." How are your know-it-all views any different from the rest? Anyway, your one line insults, "freak," "sucker, " and "hoobie doobie" whatever, show that you have nothing. And by the way, in my previous post I NEVER mentioned The Urantia Book. I used entirely scriptural references from the New Testament. You're the one who is apparently obsessed with The Urantia Book. You're the one who mentioned it. You remind me of the atheists who are always ranting and raving about a God they say doesn't exist. OK, your turn.  (Nov 27, 2014 | post #69)

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