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Wayland, NY

Wayland pulls from study

Thank you Mike. As far as the conduct issue, I have already messaged this person offline for further details. I feel that ALL of our agencies provide a professional service and I expect members of emergency services (paid or volunteer does not matter) to act in a professional manner when on duty. As such, I take any complaints about our service seriously, whether it is a patient care issue or inapproproate behavior on a call. We have also tried to make it easier for people to contact the department by adding a contact form on the website at http://www.wayland fd.org and by having a facebook page. Mike, I do have to respectfully disagree about your stance on stats. Statisitics is something that I have been harping on for years. We (and I mean most every department in this county) have virtually no statisitics to review service performance and each department tracks their data differently. Without knowing where our services are right now and in the recent past, how are we going to improve our services? We need to have benchmarks to compare performance to when any change is made, so as to see the effect of those changes. When I talk to the EMS agencies in Livingston County, I hear about how they get monthly reports from their 911 center with response time averages, call summaries, etc. Unfortunately, our Steuben County 911 center has not been able to provide a consistent report for us. This is not due to a lack of trying, but from my understanding, the county decided to not purchase the reporting module with the current 911 software. I hope that part of this new 911 software being purchased will improve reporting. I have been compiling our EMS run data for the past 3 years and I feel comfortable with the validity of the past two years of data (I was trying to figure out what to track in that 1st year). The primary issue that Kent reported in his study was the dispatch to enroute time. By implementing "I Am Responding" and by fixing up the rec room to turn it into a "crew quarters" type of environment, the Wayland FD is trying to directly address that root issue. We are in the process of integrating the "I Am Responding" system into our processes and I want to see how that affects our response times. With the improved communication and scheduling that this system offers, I hope we can improve response times and improve the overall performance of our Fire and EMS services as a whole. This is where statistical benchmarking comes into play... we can look at the stats for the next several months and see how they compare to past performance. On a final personal note, I would like to point out that if there is any major change to the primary recommendations put forth in the final study by ESCI, I would question the validity of the study results. ESCI was hired to give their professional opinion and if they are willing to change their opinion in the face of criticism, then what is the value of their professional opinion. If anybody from the public wants to review the draft document, it should be considered FOIA material and should be able to be viewed at any of the village or town clerks. And, I urge anybody who wants to get involved in this issue to attend their respective village and/or town board meetings. That is the democratic process. I also feel that it should be publicly reinforced that this is ONLY A STUDY that was commisioned to look at the pros and cons of consolidation of EMS services. It is up to the individual agencies and boards to decide what to do with the results of the STUDY, if anything. Fred Grambs  (Feb 1, 2011 | post #7)

Wayland, NY

Wayland pulls from study

Here are several quotes from the draft study: "ANCFD is down to only three medically trained personnel while CFD currently lists seven medically trained personnel on its roster. Conversely, WFD has a healthy cadre of medical response personnel" (p.15) "Based on the geography and distribution of historical service demand, ESCI does not believe that a single facility centrally located within a consolidated district would be sufficient to provide effective coverage to the entire area." (p.40) "ESCI is pleased to report that all available evidence shows that each organization consistently provides excellent service to the citizens of their respective communities, although each agency is having difficulty producing sufficient personnel to handle the increasing demand throughout the area." (p.64) I would also ask Ms. Perham why she only quoted Mike Sprague (who was only supposed to be an organizer for the study and not put in his opinions) and did not approach anybody from the Village of Wayland or the Wayland Fire Department for the other side of the story? I also mentioned your post to a Village Board member and he said that anybody with any questions can attend a Village Board meeting to ask them.  (Jan 16, 2011 | post #3)

Wayland, NY

Wayland pulls from study

There are several reasons why Wayland FD wanted out of the study. First, let me state that I am the ambulance captain for the Wayland FD and have dealt with the study process for the past two years....including taking off over 15 days from my night job to attend these EMS consolidation committee meetings, so I have a lot of time invested in this process. I personally was split on the decision for the department to step out of the study and both myself and the Village of Wayland representative offered to continue to assist the process and were turned down. There were misgivings about joining the study to begin with and when representatives from ESCI came out to interview our members and gather data, Kent said to the Chief and myself that he does not "see a need to change something that is not broken". Another factor in the decision was the fact that Wayland FD responded to more calls within the 1 sqaure mile of the Village (158 calls) than the Cohocton fire Department responded to their entire territory (the study showed 100 calls). Looking at the dispersion of calls in the Town outside the Village, there is a huge concentration just outside the village with smaller concentrations along SR-21S and in the hamlet of Perkinsville. From an operational standpoint, it makes no sense to move EMS resources from the highest concentration of call volume. That being said, the draft copy of this study was released to the villages and towns. The study was performed by ESCI, a company that specializes in EMS and Fire Research. Part of my support for the Vilage pulling out of the study was because the financial costs proposed by the study were actually higher than my own independent research showed it would be. The "best" and lowest cost proposal in the draft study included $781,196 per year in Personnel costs, $200,000 per year in Operational Costs, and an upfront Facility Cost of $1,039,912. To put those numbers into perspective, there will be an estimated yearly recurring cost of $981,196...and this was the cheapest alternative shown in the draft study. The study then proceeded to review how to distribute the cost of the proposed service to the taxpayers, with the options ranging from 65% to 73.5% being levied on the Town of Wayland. Now, to make a comparison to current tax costs, in 2009, the Town of wayland collected $926,143 from taxpayers at a rate of $8.50 per thousand ( http://www.steuben cony.org/rpt/tcrat es2010.pdf ). So, if it was decided to use the lowest option of 65% to Town of wayland taxpayers, it would be $637,777, which would add $5.85 per thousand to Town of Wayland taxpayers. The "coverage of historic service demand" is currently 88.7% and would increase to 92.4% by going to fulltime paid crews and stationing units AT THE EXISTING FACILITIES. The "best" proposal is for 3 ambulances and 1 paramedic fly car. One ambulance and 1 EMT will be stationed at the three EXISTING bases and the paramedic fly car will be based in the proposed new building near exit 3 on I-390. The fly car would meet the closest ambulance and transport 1 patient. If a concurrent second call goes out, the 2 remaining ambulances would meet at that scene and transport the patient. The current ambulance service provided by the Wayland Fire Department spends about $40,000 to provide 2 ambulances to the Village of Wayland, Town of Wayland, and approximately half of the Town of South Dansville (approximately 60 square miles). We currently have 19 EMTs, with 2 additional members in class. During daytime hours, the department usually has between 3 and 5 EMTs available for calls. So, is increasing performance by 3.7% worth increasing taxes by $940,000?  (Jan 16, 2011 | post #2)

Dansville, NY

Immigration - Dansville, NY

Absolutely. States have the right to enforce any state or federal laws. Additionally, targeting Arizona when the feds ignore sanctuary cities is selective enforcement of federal law, which states that no state or municipality will impede enforcement of federal immigration laws.  (Jul 15, 2010 | post #2)

Dansville, NY

Health Care - Dansville, NY

This mandate will hurt businesses and will overload the already overloaded medical system. I am not aware of any provisions to increase the number of doctors or nurses, but the bill will add 25,000 IRS agents. That's just what we need...  (Jul 15, 2010 | post #2)

Wayland, NY

Wayland Mayor

Attending meetings is a way to start to get things done and helps keep people infomed as to what is going on. A couple of things that happened under his watch: 1 - Clean up / removal of abandoned underground tanks at the old gas station at the point of N Main st. That site is close to one of the village wells and posed a threat. 2 - Implemented a low interest business loan program for Village businesses. This is based on economic development money that the village had laying dormant in a bank account earmarked for economic development for years. The loans are up to 10K at 2% interest. And, I agree there are serious issues with local government, both village and town. The biggest issue is lack of communication with the citizens. Everything you hear on the street is he said/she said and very little of the real substance is getting out. I think the town and village need to get into the 21st century and have a website where meeting minutes and other newsworthy events can be posted...and maybe even a blog for the mayor and town supervisor.  (Mar 29, 2009 | post #33)

Wayland, NY

Keep Perkinsville Fire Dept in Perkinsville!

To answer your question...Wayland allows members that want to only do EMS, as long as they are willing to be certified as an EMT. There are currently 17 EMS only staff, 2 are grandfathered in as drivers, and the rest are either EMTs or scheduled to take an EMT class. There are an additional 22 firefighters that activly run ambulance calls in addition to fire responses. Of those firefighters, 5 are EMTs and 1 is a CFR. Firefighters are not required to do EMS calls, but many do and it works well. For the public's sake, let's define an ambulance crew: 1 NYS certified EMT with the patient and 1 driver with a minimum current CPR card. Even though the drivers are not required to be EMTs, they must be familiar with all of the equipment on the ambulance and be trained on proper moving of the patient, etc. All EMS personnel participate in most in-house fire training, but EMS only staff do not actively participate in fireground operations (EMS stages in a safe location on a fire scene in case on injuries). EMS staff do practice with the rescue unit and are directly involved in most rescue operations. My point about EMS should not be construed to say that there is any EMS staffing issue right now. Actually, Wayland FD Ambulance is is very good condition right now. My concern is to ensure that EMS staffing is maintained or increased in the future. 2008 saw 376 ambulance calls, up from 324 in 2007. We don't know whether 2008 was a fluke year or is indicative of increasing use of EMS. So far, WFD ambulance has responded to 66 ambulance calls in January and February alone, so we are on track to meet or exceed 2008's numbers. Additionally, most EMS agencies are seeing an uptick in call volume due to the average population age increasing. So, I want to make sure we continue recruiting and continue to staff the ambulance at current or better levels. And, Firegirl, you point about where the tax increase is well made. There was also a 2.8% increase in County and .6% increase in town taxes, which because of their higher rate per thousand comprises just under half the effective increase in taxes.  (Mar 28, 2009 | post #50)

Wayland, NY

Keep Perkinsville Fire Dept in Perkinsville!

In my opinion, THAT is part of the problem. With our aging population, EMS calls are only going to go up and with better safety regulations and education, fire calls are going down. The budget for Fire response is way larger than EMS response and EMS calls make up better than 2/3 of all calls in the area. If any fire service wants to provide proper public safety and justify their budget, they should be involved in EMS responses. This is true not only in Wayland, but every other locality across the country. Why do you think that Rochester FD and FDNY have instituted EMS First Responders on their engines?  (Mar 27, 2009 | post #45)

Wayland, NY

Keep Perkinsville Fire Dept in Perkinsville!

A couple of points: 1 - The old rescue truck is not in service and has been stripped of all rescue equipment. It has been placed up for sale by the village to offset the cost of the new truck. The old rescue was over 21 years old and maintenance and replacement parts costs were increasing. All equipment was moved from the old rescue to the new rescue, so there were no equipment costs (which could add up to well over another $100K). 2 - The rescue truck goes on almost all fire and rescue calls. In addition to the rescue equiment, it is also equipped with area lighting and a cascade system to fill air packs on a fire scene. 3 - I did not like how the town board added the increased cost of the truck to the taxes, but from my understanding that increase will drop off when the truck is paid off. I was also under the impression that the town and village boards were in agreement about the truck purchase and would help it's payment before George came in as supervisor. 4 - I posted the 2008 ambulance statistics on the Wayland FD website a while back, http://waylandfd.o rg/index.php?pr=Ne ws&=SID Village of Wayland 159 Town of Wayland 153 South Dansville 16 Mutual Aid - Dansville 29 Mutual Aid - Springwater 14 Mutual Aid - Town of Cohocton 5 I do not know about the breakout of fire calls, but I will ask the officer that does that. However, I can tell you most of the rescue calls are on 390, which is in the Town. 5 - If you want WFD to stay within the Village and leave the rest of the town to Perkinsville, well, I don't know if you have any Fire or EMS experience, but as a town resident, that idea scares me. Perkinsville has a total of 9 interior certified firefighters (as listed on their website). Wayland has 25. When you remove the chief officers from that list (since the Chiefs have to manage the entire scene), that leaves Perkinsville with 6 interior FFs and Wayland with 22. Which means that even if Perkinsville were primary response for the town, they would have to call mutual aid for any interior activities on a fire. In addition, Perkinsville does not have a ladder truck, so they would need to call one in (like Wayland's S-1) via Mutual Aid on a structure fire. Perkinsville does have a water tanker and a good engine, which are needed on fire calls outside the village water supply area. For these three simple facts, I prefer the dual tone out for fire calls in our town. Simply put, I do not feel that Perkinsville alone has the resources to handle the bulk of the call volume in the Town. They do not have heavy rescue equipment or enough staff trained in rescue operations. They do not have any EMS cross training and they have told WFD they are not interested in helping with EMS. Additionally, with the limited number of volunteers available during various hours, I, personally, prefer to see the dual-tone out on fire calls. 6 - The figures I stated earlier were from 2007, which is the last full year that the state released fire reports and also the last year that www.openbooknewyor k.com has listed for the town budget. The 2008 fire reports have not been released yet and I have not seen Perkinsville's numbers for 2008. I can tell you that for 2008, there were 376 ambulance calls and for 2007, there were 324 ambulance calls. Fire Apparatus responses for 2008 were 161, with a total of 15 actual fires. As for my "twisting " things. I posted figures publicly available on state web sites. I would love to see the town and village both embrace technology and put meeting minutes, agendas, etc on the web. But, for a public discussion, I prefer to post stuff that I can link directly to support my points.  (Mar 27, 2009 | post #42)

Wayland, NY

Wayland Mayor

Renee, thank you for clearing that up. Like I said, "if the accusations are true". I would prefer to see people able to publicly defend themselves, so I aplaud you for visiting this site. As for Mayor McCoy, I have seen how active he is in trying to bring business into this area. He is THE ONLY local politician to attend almost every revitalization meeting and community event. The biggest negative is his inability to work easily with the Town...but I don't blame Brian for that...he worked well with the previous town supervisor. That is really a problem with the current town administration.  (Mar 26, 2009 | post #29)

Wayland, NY

Keep Perkinsville Fire Dept in Perkinsville!

I hate Topix...just lost my last comment. Anyway, I don't see how a district would increase taxes. It would not change the fact that the apparatus is staffed by volunteers. The Fire Commissioners would still have to hold open meetings and be accountable to the public. The big benefit would be that the taxes to the district are not as risk of being reallocated by either the town or village board and used for other expenses. That being said, I am not sure I fully support a fire district per se. I would love to see a state official speak about the pros and cons of forming a fire district. I don't want to rely on info from either side or even Steuben County representatives right now. I do think there would be a benefit to consolidation. I think a new fire response structure in the town/village should be a Fire Chief for all Fire/EMS in the town. Then, each department could be called Battalions and we could have a "Battallion " Chief for Wayland, Perkinsville, and EMS. This type of structure would allow each department to maintain their identity/history, as well as allowing for better communciation between departments, more opportunities for crosstraining, the possibility of staffing up each other's apparatus, and possible cost savings in fixed expenses like insurance, combined equipment purchases, etc. There would have to be some operational changes, but that could be hashed out by the senior officers and fire commissioners.  (Mar 26, 2009 | post #38)

Wayland, NY

Keep Perkinsville Fire Dept in Perkinsville!

I'm glad to know that you do understand the issues I am talking about, as a taxpayer. I own 3 properties and a business in town, so I feel the effects of increased taxes in multiple ways, hence the reason I am so vocal about the tax implications of this issue. With the economy the way it is, we need to make sure our government officials aren't squandering money.  (Mar 25, 2009 | post #30)

Wayland, NY

Keep Perkinsville Fire Dept in Perkinsville!

From a taxpayer perspective... Perkinsville did 24 calls in 2007. Wayland Fire/Ambulance combined did 492 calls in the same year. For that same year (2007), Perkinsville got 49K from the town and Wayland got 44K from the town. In 2008, Wayland responded to 536 calls. The numbers on the NYS website are not out yet, so I do not know the exact number for Perkinsville, but for the years shown on the NYS website (http://www.dos.st ate.ny.us/fire/fir edata.htm), the highest number of calls PFD responded to was 40. I respect anybody that is willing to volunteer and I would never denigate their service to any community. However, when an organization is getting financial support from taxpayer dollars, everybody needs to consider what is the best "bang for the buck" for the community. I am not saying that we need to do away with Perkinsville FD, but as a taxpayer, I am concerned with our ever increasing taxes. Our town board has increased funding to Perkinsville FD despite the fact that their call volume is about 5% of the Wayland FD's call volume. Even if you split the ambulance call volume out and only count "Fire Response" calls, PFD responds to about 14% of the call volume of WFD. However, most of the Firefighters with Wayland get involved with EMS calls on a regular basis, so I think it would be doing the volunteers at Wayland FD a disservice to split those calls out (after all, is an EMS call any less a dedication of time as a fire call). So, why has Perkinsville received a larger portion of the town's budget than Wayland for only responding to 5% of the calls? Based on prior posts, it appears you live in NC. So, I assume you are not aware of the recent 3.9% increase in town taxes due to actions taken by the town board (assumption of sales tax revenue from the county). 3.9% is a big increase when Gunlocke just laid off 125 people around the same time. In addition, the town board is looking to build a new town hall from scratch, with most of the expenses not yet budgeted. The budgeting issue with Perkinsville FD is only a small part of the financial mis-deeds of the current town board.  (Mar 25, 2009 | post #28)

Wayland, NY

Keep Perkinsville Fire Dept in Perkinsville!

Firegirl, the main issue at hand is not whether a department got a new truck or not...rather it is a duplication of services, increased cost to taxpayers, and a conflict of interest of town board members who vote on the fire contracts when they are affilaited with a specific department. Perkinsville purchased a new truck that is classified by the manufacturer as a rescue truck and they advertised that they were raising funds to purchase a "rescue truck". Because they do not have the equipment, it is currently being used as a replacement for their old Squad truck. I personally would have no problem if that was their original stated intent. It is a safer unit than the old truck. However, that does not appear to be their intent. And, the cost to fully stock that truck with rescue equipment will probably be close to half the cost of the truck. What I don't want to see is money wasted on duplicating services. Wayland FD has a fully equipped Rescue truck with plenty of firefighters trained to operate all of the equipment. Most of their FFs have some cross-training with EMS and participate in non-rescue EMS calls, so the provision of Rescue and EMS on accident scenes is fairly seamless. In addition, Wayland's front line Engine carries a 2nd set of Jaws. Not to mention, Dansville FD and Cohocton FD both have fully equipped Rescue trucks. With all of these rescue resources available in the area, why does Perkinsville need to get a Rescue truck? And, yes, there is a conflict of interest on the Town board. 1 board member is an active firefighter with Perkinsville and, from my understanding, 2 others are "social" members and rumor has it the town Supervisor was invited to be a member of Perkinsville FD. Any elected official with a relationship to any organization that gets funding from that government entity should abstain from voting. Again, I wouldn't have a problem if the truck was a direct replacement for the uses of their old Squad Truck. But a $190K truck that was used as a manufacturer's demo rescue truck will increase their ongoing costs for insurance and fuel, which will most likely increase PFD's budget request from the Town.  (Mar 25, 2009 | post #26)

Wayland, NY

Wayland Mayor

I don't know Reneee personally and I don't know if the accusations are true. But, if they were true, I would be concerned that someone willing to take money under the table may also be willing to bend the rules when it comes to supervision requirements (ratio of caregivers to children). The other point in this discussion about gaining certification for the planning board...well, there was a lot of talk one to two years ago about forming a consolidated town/village planning board. Whatever happened with that idea?  (Mar 23, 2009 | post #21)

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