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It's interesting that he keeps using the term, "corruption ". He whines a great deal about the "corruption " he, in his infinite ignorance, ascribes to ALL JWs (even though we have absolutely no idea how many actually did this, if any) rather than to the truly corrupt Mexican officials who accepted money from more well-to-do people to allow them to avoid military service. (Tuesday Jul 26 | post #137)
Not at all. In fact I didn't say anything that even bordered on thatThe only mental gymnastics on display are your own, because I'm sure no one else could explain how my statement, which was a response to your laughable assertion that your company [again, you work for a US Government agency] would be brought up on charges if it engaged in bribery, equates with, "it's ok for Christians to be corrupt". (Tuesday Jul 26 | post #136)
He works for a US Government agency; they're inherently corrupt. (Monday Jul 25 | post #108)
Several persons close to Ray have suggested that the so-called "607 issue" was only of minor concern to Franz at the time he was working on compiling the "Aid Book", and even less of one during and immediately after the events that took him out of the JW sect. He was advised by others to play up the 607 non-issue because it was a big deal to people like Randall Watters. I can't verify that anymore than any anecdotal claim Franz made, but so many of those are taken as indisputable... It says something, to me, when people on both sides of an issue say similar things; people still around who I personally know who were at Bethel at the same time as Franz have stated that this was something that was discussed, but never given all that much consideration and that Franz never actually made an issue out of it until after people started reacting to Crisis of Conscience. I don't know if you've ever seen the original version, or the subsequent revisions, but the 607 non-issue took on more prominence with each one. I suspect he employed a degree of dramatic license in his commentary, particularly with regard to that topic. (Thursday Jul 21 | post #64)
You seem to be greatly misinformed on this topic. Perhaps you should do some research on it independent of the false claims of ex/antiJWs. "The WTS" never decided anything with regard to the Mexico situation; the JWGB opined, in response to questions asked of it, that they were not going to take an official position regarding how individuals facing a very specific situation should respond to it, but left it up to each individual to let his own conscience be his guide. They never "decided bribery was okayThe WTS" is a publishing company; it "decides " nothing. It publishes, on behalf of the JWGB, the teachings of that group which people are free to follow or not follow as it pleases themNot only are you extremely ignorant/misled on a number of topics, but your spelling is atrocious. What does, "assumptions lack credibility" even mean in this context? The only "assumption " made by the JWGB was that, given the specific facts of the situation in Mexico at the time, they were not dictating a position to JWs, but leaving the decision of how to handle their affairs in their hands, in line with each one's own conscienceThere is no such thing as a, "doctrinal gray area"; as a matter of "doctrine ", there is a specific suggestion which those who profess to be JWs should probably consider. A "conscience matter", for lack of a better term, is pretty much the exact opposite of a doctrinal position. (Wednesday Jul 20 | post #56)
You forgot to mention that the book was widely known about among JWs with many of them reading it, and even freely discussing it. I've mentioned myself on several occasions that a CO that served PA Circuit 14 in the early 90s - Ron Soliday - actually mentioned Ray and "Crisis of Conscience" by name from the platform and discussed not only his false framing of the oft-mentioned letter about "apostates ", but a number of his charges. He did so in a manner such that it was expected that was he was talking about was generally knownThe analogy I draw is that of someone circa the present year being critical of "wrong" information in an 18th century medical textbook that was based on what was known/reasonably inferred at the timeThere were some half-truths and a few outright misrepresentations , but it was more a retelling of historical events based entirely on the perception of a single individual with his own agenda, using anecdotal claims about others that were impossible to confirm or deny. One example is his tale of an alleged meeting of elders wherein one allegedly held up a bible and commented that if "the Society" told him it was a different color, he would say it was a different color. An entire urban legend has grown up around this anecdotal claim, with people alleging to have heard this same speech in numerous settings - never with any proofNot because they're interested in facts, but because they're looking for validation of their own feelingsThey're looking for a talking point they believe they can use as a "gotcha" in their engagement with JWs, as if something Franz said about some person they've never met that can't be confirmed as being the truth will help defeat the JW in a "debate" . As is typical of SJW types, they appeal only to the lowest common denominator: people who aren't interested in thinking all that much and who are only moved by feelsFranz's book, in and of itself, can be easily accepted or dismissed as little more than the reflections of an individual whose life didn't follow the course he expected it to follow; it's always been more about the reactions to it, particularly on the part of ex/antiJWs. I don't believe that Franz either expected it to generate the reactions that it did, nor that he was particularly happy that people made it into a sort of quasi-"holy " bookRay was either misinformed or ignorant regarding both the Mexican "bribery " matter and the situation JWs faced in Malawi; for reasons that make little sense he was determined to draw erroneous comparisons between the two. (Wednesday Jul 20 | post #55)
I'm not worried in the slightest. I just want you to know what to expect, seeing as how you imagine you're going to go all in touting that you live in DA WHITE HOUSE and people are going to take you seriously. They don't take "MR. PRESIDENT" seriously, and he's more charismatic than you. But that's just gossip, so you didn't hear that from meYou think someone's replaced good ol' FH? That'll be the day! But because there are those out there who might need some encouragement in these crazy days, let us pray: Our father, who art in heaven... HALLOWED by thy name! Thy kingdom come! Thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven! Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil! For THINE is the Kingdom and the POWER and the GLORY! FOREVER and ever! AMEN. (Monday Jul 18 | post #2534)
Most of your comments are either going to be deleted, ignored or mercilessly ridiculed by people a lot nastier than me who aren't bound by Topix's prohibitions against profanity. (Monday Jul 18 | post #2530)
Does it amaze you as much as it amazes me how much free rent ex/antiJWs are giving "Bethel" in their heads? (Monday Jul 18 | post #46)
You might be on to something. He's acting like someone who is legit concussed. (Monday Jul 18 | post #190)
I amI'm quite aware of creeping globalism, and I don't find it funny in the slightest. It's you who I laugh atRidiculing globalism won't make it go away. Neither will your pointless, endless blather and conspiracy theory nonsenseI wasn't alive in 1970, so I couldn't tell you what it was like back then. (Monday Jul 18 | post #44)
Yep. (Friday Jul 15 | post #6)
I wish this forum had emotes, because I'd use an ROFL one thereYou presume I'm not familiar with the ideas of the persons you mentioned. (Friday Jul 15 | post #42)
Dougie, I've really got to thank you for pointing this dame's video out to me. I've quickly rummaged through the comments section and come to discover that as harsh as I've ever been with ex/antiJW thugs and lowlifes on the Internet, they're infinitely more crude and hateful to each other. (Thursday Jul 14 | post #185)
That's what happenedLovely is a bit of a stretch. She's sort of cute, a solid 5, but that's about itI didn't see that, actually. I'd never seen any videos from that person until you posted it hereI rather doubt itWhich speaks to the idiocy of the majority of ex/antiJWs on the Internet. Of course, that could also be attributed it to her sort of cuteness. I'm sure there are plenty of white-knight ex/antiJW beta males clamoring for her attentionNo, I'm not Lard-Lips Lloyd. (Thursday Jul 14 | post #184)
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