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That comment is irrelevant to the issue at handThat comment is also irrelevant to the issue at handNazi Germany and MalawiEmphasis MINE] You'll notice there that the WT is referred to as a "legal servant". Or, in modern parlance, a legal entity which the sect uses to engage in certain activities; then and now, those activities were the publishing of material JWs use in their worship and in their public ministryAbsolutely not. The GB made very clear that WT was a legal entity they used to conduct printing activities. You are the liar who is claiming that the very clear statement about WT being a "legal" instrument makes WT's printing activities either integral to the operation of the sect known as Jehovah's Witnesses, or an irreplaceable aspect of the so-called, "spirit-direc ted organizationWhatev er you say. And just because you say it, too. (2 hrs ago | post #627)
The Bible Students existed before there was a "Watchtower Society". And, as stated in my previous response, nothing I've said hangs on anything dealing with RutherfordExcept that there were, "Bible Students" doing effectively the same thing that JWs are doing to day, and have been doing for the better part of 100 years, before there was a "Watchtower Society", and that there have been numerous instances of JWs succeeding in countries where governments were not favorable to them and had cut off their access to the larger "spirit-direc ted" [as they see it] organizationThere are many aspects to what JW's consider, "God's spirit-directed organization" [as they see it]; the "Watchtower " printing concern is only one aspect of it, and it serves a very utilitarian purpose. Lack of access to it has never hindered JWs, or the Bible Students before them and outsourcing it's functions to a different publishing concern would have a negligible effect - if any at all - on the operation/administ ration of the sect or the day-to-day activities of its adherentsFirst off, "Bethel" - as in people and edifices used in the administration of the religious sect known as Jehovah's Witnesses - has no purpose for existing, other than to coordinate the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses in the various countries in which they exist. You could call that administration whatever you want to call it, but any and all groups of people engaged in organized activities have some sort of top-down structure. You can't separate a head from its body. "Watchtower " isn't a part of the body. Watchtower is a tool the body uses - one that like any other tool, can be replaced or, over time, eliminated. And the body has shown at various times that it can get along fine without itNone of my comments hang on anything that has to do with disfellowshipping, and your silly "dark triad" comments constitute laughable conspiracy-theory nonsense that is not worth responding to. Frankly, it's the sort of silliness we usually hear from your buddy DUHglas Clark. (Friday Oct 2 | post #625)
You've got a little problem here, DUH-GIE. You must have missed what I said  in the post to which the quoted section above replies. You'll notice that I said, "I neither know nor care to know" the details surrounding this situation which you always bring up - in code, and cloaked in mystery and conspiratorial bull-BLEEP. I have no idea what the "loved one's" issues are, nor do I have any idea what problems this person has encountered at UPMC's Childrens' Hospital. That said, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the KGB has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with their issues. You know why I can say that? Because you'd have to be completely DUHvoid of sanity to believe a claim so ridiculous; and to state that, "everything I say [is] true fact"... WOW. You said it. You didn't provide a single shred of proof - other than your own unsubstantiated claims published to the Internet over the past sixteen years [that interestingly coincides with your... period of inactivity] which are equally, if not more ridiculous. Saying that something is doesn't make it so. You imagine that you're GOD'S MESSAGE DELIVERER, and that because you say that it's so that anything else you've said since the day the ex Mrs. Common-Law Clark got tired of your silliness and walked out- ERR... sorry, got brainwashed by the KGB at YOUPEE EMCEE is a "true fact" for no other reason than that you say so. Forgive me for channeling Pastor Manning like I'm UNchained whining about Obama - actually using his "long-legged mack daddy" catchphrase - on his hammy radio, but... YA'LL MUST BE OUTSIDE YO MIND!!! ...if you expect any person who isn't a complete and total mental defective to believe ANYTHING you've published to the Internet in the last sixteen years... of inactivity. As for this "loved one" and their issues... The following paragraph is directed toward any parent or parent of any individual that may exist that DUH-GIE is referring to when he refers to, "the loved one": Presuming you and your child actually exist and are dealing with problems on the order of what has been suggested here, I sympathize with you and legitimately feel for your child, and am not in any way happy if you're dealing with problems at UPMC [and that's altogether possible, but not for the reasons postulated by LIE-u-tenant DUH-GIE, the Xbox Marine Buck Private]. But it's not fair at all for any real problems that you and your child are experiencing to be used as a talking point in the favor of this keyboard commando. You may indeed be the person in that picture browsing this forum - or you may be some random person DUH-GIE bumped into at the Library who graciously allowed themselves to be photographed so that he could throw out some crumb and beat his chest about "proving " his vast, unsubstantiated conspiracy claims. I really hope that any parent or parents of a child in chronic medical distress would know better than to buy into DUH-GIE's nonsense as a way of coping with their situation. But if you have, I hope you wake up, get some help and stop allowing this mentally defective keyboard commando to use your problems as a talking point in his wars of words with anonymous, random people on the Internet he laughably believes are Vladimir Putin. If you're out there, your loved one deserves better. Reference: _____  From: http://www.topix.c om/forum/religion/ jehovahs-witness/T TCVQ0CAITSCPK532/p ost1747 (Wednesday Sep 30 | post #1757)
Not so, fatsoI thought you purchased your own computer/smartphon e? Why not use it? Use a proxy. (Wednesday Sep 30 | post #1751)
Why are you bringing up Rutherford? Nothing I said hangs on what occurred during the time of Rutherford. The Bible Students were preaching in an organized - if not to the degree of the modern JW sect - fashion before there was a "Watchtower ", an administrative edifice referred to as "Bethel" or a group of men that referred to themselves as a, "Governing Body", and long before J.F. Rutherford was born. Invoking that name does nothing to further your silly claim. (Wednesday Sep 30 | post #621)
I don't schedule my comments around your appearances at the Library. But I see you took some time away from playing Marine on Xbox with the kiddies to say hello. So... https://www.youtub e.com/watch?v=K41r 5eD0iXM Or, if Uncle Leo isn't your cup of tea... https://www.youtub e.com/watch?v=5aKn iUjce4s&featur e=youtu.be&t=1 6Okay Chops, let's briss... WE aren't focusing on the anonymous ladies of UPMC's facility that focuses on the kiddies you play Marines with on Xbox. You keep bringing them up, and I'm aware it has something to do with the unfortunately chronically ill child of some person in your orbit whose personal details I neither know nor care to know. I also know that you've weaved this person's tragedy into the melodrama that is your life. Since you posted a picture of a person sitting at a PC viewing this website, they must know at least something about your silliness. That says to me that she's either cut from the same cloth as you - a wacko, to be more specific - or she's extraordinarily desperate, and thinks that running with you is a way to better her position. Come to think of it, she'd have to be something of a wacko to think running with you would better her position. That could explain why, as you've indicated, some authority figures are keeping their eyes on her? Beyond that, is it really fair to this individual, and her allegedly chronically ill child, for you to use their tragedy to further your goal of exposing alleged KGB agents throughout the University of Pittsburgh, and the supposed ownership of the Watchtower by their leader Vladimir Putin? I know, I know, we're losing focus on the Ladies of UPMC Childrens' Hospital, so let's get... V ISKHODNUYU TOCHKU! See, I know the good people at the Library are aware of your silliness, seeing as how you've been using their computers to defame them for the past five years. Understand, they pity you, which is why they let you run them down with their own equipment. I suspect that the people of UPMC's Childrens' Hospital have more important things to worry about than your tall tales of KGB infestation. I'm curious... how does that subject come up? Do you just casually stroll up to the nurses' station and say, "Hey ya'll! Do you fine ladies know that Vladimir Putin is running the show here? Do you know that Steve [DELETED] is a KGB agent? Do you know that the former Mrs. Common-Law Clark was brainwashed here? Do you know that Putin had Bush sabotage my heater and poison my water line?" And if that's how you go about it, how many times has a security detail thrown you out of either a UPMC facility or a Pitt sporting event? (Wednesday Sep 30 | post #1747)
I would say he never rose above Buck Private in Call of DOODIE, but then I don't think the Library makes Playstations or Xboxes available to the general public - except in the kids' play room. (Wednesday Sep 30 | post #1744)
A "TRUE" PLAYA... Playa-ing with himself, that is. (Wednesday Sep 30 | post #1743)
First, the LordyTroll saysThen, the LordyTroll saysGoverning Body" and "Bethel" are, in reality, nothing more than terms that describe certain aspects of administration. The JWGB, obviously, sit at the top of the organizational structure, with other administrators below them comprising what is colloquially known as, "Bethel" . At this point, the individual pieces are interchangeable. Persons from "Bethel" can and do ascend to the JWGB, so in that sense the LordyTroll is "correct " in saying that who leads doesn't matter, but at the same time she wants to say that if one piece was removed it would all fall apart. This flies in the face of established history. When JWs have been under ban in places such as Nazi Germany, they had no "Watchtower ", and they were effectively cut off from the individuals governing the larger organization. In point of fact they didn't even have, "Bethel" , as they were largely cut off from those countrymen of theirs whom had served as their local administrators. They continued worshiped to the best of their ability and they even ministered where possible - all without the support of an organizational structure. And that under the worst of conditionsThe Watchtower Society could exist for a long time without either Bethel or the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. It wouldn't serve much of a purpose, but it would still exist until its trustees fully liquidated its assets. "Bethel" is a term applied to people and places. People and places change. So long as there are humans working together to accomplish a goal, there will always be organizations; as long as there are people - Jehovah's Witnesses - working together to proselytize, they will have some sort of organizational structure; what terms they use to describe the administration of that organization means very littleThe JW sect could exist very easily without the Watchtower printing concern. There were people, the original "Bible Students", doing what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing today before there ever was a "Watchtower " legal entity, and Jehovah's Witnesses have survived and prospered without the support of that legal entity in many places. The rest of your blather isn't worth responding to. If all you're going to do is repeat talking points that lack factual foundation, and which I've already debunked, I'm through with you. (Wednesday Sep 30 | post #619)
LIE-u-tenant DOODIE- What part of thisdon't you understand? (Tuesday Sep 29 | post #1741)
Who in the blue hell is, "frankenflops "? I have no idea who you're talking about. I'm pretty sure I told you earlier today that I know absolutely nothing about the cast of characters in DOODIE's-Play-Worl d over at the library. (Tuesday Sep 29 | post #1737)
He's just the sort to laugh at the total humiliation of the country he, allegedly, leads. But, then, he never got that you don't lead by voting, "PresentAs you know, or SHOULD know, it's been raining here since roughly 9:30 this morning. (Tuesday Sep 29 | post #1734)
"HITH! HITH! HITH!"? You spoke a few posts ago about your love of your country, these United States of America, which you claim to have served as a Marine Officer [LT], and while you whine about Vladimir Putin's alleged ownership of the Watchtower Society, he's making the Phony-in-Chief of your country, who is it's true GREATEST enemy, look like the damn fool he is, was and always will be: http://nypost.com/ 2015/09/29/obama-h as-turned-putin-in to-the-worlds-most -powerful-leader/ Wake up, DOODIE, get whatever professional help you very clearly need and get your head screwed on straight; you've gone on about our "Communist " enemies while the nation is suffering under the dictatorship of the only Communist to ever pose a real threat - and you've never spoken word one about him. (Tuesday Sep 29 | post #1732)
Both, "the Watchtower Society" and "Bethel" could each be called a part of the, "spirit-direc ted organization" , but neither one is synonymous with the other, and neither by itself, or even both together, constitute the sum and total of the, "spirit-direc ted organization" as JWs understand itBecause they're different things with different purposes, and, generally, one has nothing to do with the other; the only thing that binds them is that they're both made up, mostly, of people who are part of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses and they exist to carry out tasks on behalf of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's WitnessesThe Watchtower printing concern and the administration of the congregations in various countries, i.e., "Bethel" , do not together constitute a "body" that directs JWs. Some people who are JWs who may have a part in the administration of the JW sect at "Bethel" may also have a part in the production of literature in the "Watchtower " printing concern, but the two together do not make up a directing entity. The JWGB, in concordance with certain members of the Christian Congregation, direct it; the "Watchtower " printing concern exists only to print literature that JWs use and present to the public. The JWGB does not need the Watchtower printing concern, per se, to "direct" JWs. In fact, it's done so in many places where the Watchtower printing concern isn't able to exist and, as pointed out, all printing activities could be outsourced with little or no change in the structure/operatio n of the JW sectAs has already been explained, and as you should already know, "Bethel" is a term used to describe both administrative facilities in various places as well as members of the CCJW who have administrative roles in the organization. This is not necessarily limited to "worship ", but all aspects of the operation of the sect's day-to-day activities. "Watchtower " merely prints literature. JWs don't, per se, need "Watchtower " to engage in their activities and have done so in many places where JWs are not able to exercise their faith publicly. (Tuesday Sep 29 | post #617)
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