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It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

Any Intelligent Designers get peer reviewed and published yet? I just like to stop in every couple of years and check.  (Aug 23, 2014 | post #138097)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

Hi, Mark. I am glad to see you are still around, but I am a little disappointed you are still dragging out this old "nag" of an argument and beating it's carcass remorselessly still. This is nebula-star-matter -dense with logical fallacies. Let's take a lookThat characterization of the scientific method is mighty slim. There is a lot of hypothesizing, trial and error, and documentation that go along with this whole thing, tooAnd just WHAT, pray tell, is "Human from non-human evolution"? It is not a scientific term. I don't seem to recall reading any papers by Dr. McCoy named "Unraveling the mysteries of Human from non-human evolution". Actually, what this term you like to trumpet is called a Straw Man! Look: http://www.nizkor. org/features/falla cies/straw-man.htm l "The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that positionWithout missing a beat, you throw the red herring into the pan to fry! http://www.nizkor. org/features/falla cies/red-herring.h tml "A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic." As if all of this wonderful drama isn't enough, let's find contention between the Straw Man and the Red Herringdenoted article: http://www.topix.n et/forum/news/evol ution/TFA47A72UBQ0 T364O/p4260#c86870 GRRRR...STRAW MAN VERSUS RED HERRING IN THE NEXT BIG SUMMER BLOCKBUSTER: "FALSE DILEMMA!" http://www.nizkor. org/features/falla cies/false-dilemma .html "Description of False Dilemma A False Dilemma is a fallacy in which a person uses the following pattern of "reasoning ": Either claim X is true or claim Y is true (when X and Y could both be false). Claim Y is false. Therefore claim X is true. " ********** So, you have spent a great deal of time beating us over the head with logical fallacy. Would you care to offer something more substantial? Do you have a better SCIENTIFIC explanation for the collected bodywork of evidence? Are you in possession of evidence that the scientific community has not considered in the Theory of Evolution? One final question I have that I like to throw out from time to time, and anyone can feel free to respond, are there any credible and secular criticisms of the Theory of Evolution that have no religious/supernat ural bias in their construction?  (Apr 19, 2012 | post #87000)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

Who is the creator? Demonstrate how this creator created.  (Apr 19, 2012 | post #86999)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

Humans are certainly primates. Do you believe otherwise?  (Apr 19, 2012 | post #86998)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

*looks around* Hey guys, what have I missed? Earth still flat? Holes still in fossil record? Guy'cha!  (Apr 15, 2012 | post #86332)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

Citation needed.  (Jan 28, 2011 | post #53423)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

http://sciencefail .blogspot.com/2010 /12/trollscience-e volution.html I made a little cartoon. I hope everyone enjoys. I really hope Mark reads it.  (Dec 3, 2010 | post #48235)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

Leave it to someone from Kentucky... I mean, seriously, do you @$$hats think that if you get together and squawk loud enough that it will somehow make you "right"?  (Dec 3, 2010 | post #48233)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

Hours? Dude, I type and read extremely fast. I like debating here, but it never gets "hours" outta me. Also, nice dodge on this faith/falsificatio n dilemma.  (Dec 3, 2010 | post #48228)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

Should I still go for that colonoscopy on May 20th, then?  (Dec 2, 2010 | post #48189)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

Hey Mark, does the Bible say what day God created bacteria that could genetically incorporate arsenic in phosphorus' stead? Which passage from the Bible led Paul Davies to this discovery? http://news.yahoo. com/s/nm/20101202/ sc_nm/us_arsenic_b acteria Surely it was prophesied, right?  (Dec 2, 2010 | post #48164)

Evolution Debate

Earth Life Built With Arsenic

I just about posted this, too! Great article. :)  (Dec 2, 2010 | post #2)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

A final word on the false evolution/faith dichotomy. Marksman, and I hope you will try to see this from my point of view for a second, even though we actually hold moderately similar religious/spiritua l viewpoints, they are more different than the same. Now, I am not prepared or willing to be extensively forthcoming or specific about my own personal brand of spirituality, but I am willing to paint an anecdote that looks like this: Marksman believes (has faith) in Christ/Yahweh and the associated tenets. Feklahr believes (has faith) Kahless and the associated tenets. (I am actually not monotheistic, but that is beside the point.) Science publishes their theories on various topics, including biology. Marksman feels and rationalizes these biological publications are incompatible with his faith. Feklahr does not have these feelings or rationalizations. Marksman declares "problems " with evolution. Feklahr sees no problems with evolution after reviewing the same evidence. Marksman declares his God's creation as a better explanation (conflating science and religion), but then claims science cannot deal with matters of faith (making people wonder why he said anything in the first place). Feklahr still sees no inherent conflict in the biological sciences. Marksman declares that evolution is a harmful agenda driven by humanists to drive religion out of daily life and that we are all risking our souls by believing it. Feklahr is content with his soul and with Kahless and with science. Marksman drives counterknowledge and hellfire and brimstone around Topix endlessly to save our souls. Feklahr goes on with his day. Science goes on with their day. Marksman writes letters to newspaper(s). Mocks others as being blinded for not accepting his particular brand of creationism, which is a better explanation (according to him) even though science is unequipped to deal with it. Feklahr tries to point out the shortcomings in Marksman's arguments, then goes on with his day. Science goes on with their day. Marksman accuses Feklahr of having faith in evolution because it is falsifiable, then claims his own faith in Christianity is not falsifiable. Feklahr tries to point out that his religious beliefs are independent of scientific inquiry, and that his faith lies not in evolution. Marksman says, "Nuh uh!", blathers creationist nonsense about science, completely neglects to realize that other people have completely different viewpoints than him and that just because he is afraid of hell, it doesn't make evolution false. Feklahr goes on with his day.  (Dec 2, 2010 | post #48152)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

Which step is hypothesis?  (Dec 2, 2010 | post #48138)

Evolution Debate

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

For those of you interested, this is a great index for the links I provided: http://www.talkori gins.org/indexcc/l ist.html  (Dec 2, 2010 | post #48137)

Q & A with Feklahr

Headline:

Dor sho gha!

Hometown:

Iowa City, IA

I Belong To:

my wife, and she has the papers to prove it

When I'm Not on Topix:

I'm on Filmdrunk

Read My Forum Posts Because:

they are an affront to civilization

I'm Listening To:

Rage Against the Machine

Read This Book:

Animal Farm

On My Mind:

THE STUPID HURTS!

Blog / Website / Homepage:

http://dirtyhairy.blogspot.com/

I Believe In:

Kahless