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Ellijay, GA

Public Education in Gilmer County.

If I had done it, I would say Oops, but I did not post that. I have admitted being wrong about things before, why would I not do the same for this if I had done it. This is the second time this has happened on here to me. As I have stated before, I do not need to have other nics to support me. The facts that I post is all of the support I need. I posted the numbers for CRCT the other day, and now Reality is upset because those numbers go against what he is saying about public education not working and getting worse. Double digit gains overall is not what he wanted to see, so now he is trying to discredit me and in the process take the focus away from the great increase in CRCT scores in 4 of the 5 subjects.  (Jul 14, 2012 | post #73)

Ellijay, GA

Public Education in Gilmer County.

I am not CC, nor have I ever been. I only post as Fannin Native 22. This is just another one of your schemes to discredit anything I say. You can't handle the fact that the information I post is factual, and by discrediting me, you look better. Talking about the APA, you never posted a link to prove what you were saying was fact then even after I asked you too several times. I looked it up myself and recanted that then after I looked it up and saw that it was true. I only post a Fannin Native 22, I created an account just so that nobody could ever use my nic again like happened before when I just posted as Fannin Native. Now you or someone else has taken on someone elses nic and try to frame me. I guess you are getting desperate since I am not backing down to your abrasive nonsense and you can not provide any proof to the facts I present about education. I do not need to create another nic to have my back, the facts back up everything I say. You are a proven liar in your on posts. You lied about the % of students that are LEP, and even called the educator a liar when they corrected you and provided the link to the correct numbers. You lied in this post about you providing the link to the APA before. You did not. You have even been cauught using a different nic on here( Preachers Son). I did not attend Duke, I am not smart enough to get into there. I went to UGA and graduated with a 3.74 GPA. I majored in Business and accounting, after changing my major from History Education. That is why I know so much about education, I was an education major for a while, but after my first field experience I knew it was not for me. You can't provide proof to discredit the things I say about education, so you try to sabotage me in another way. You are indeed one messed up individual.  (Jul 14, 2012 | post #69)

Ellijay, GA

Public Education in Gilmer County.

What the HEll CC!!! Why are you responding to statements about me like you are me? I thought from reading your posts, you agreed me me on most things, and now look what you have done. Thanks for speaking the truth, but don't reply for me. WTF!!!  (Jul 14, 2012 | post #65)

Ellijay, GA

CRCT 2012 Results

900+ scores are still 900+ scores even at the best school in the state.  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #20)

Ellijay, GA

CRCT 2012 Results

Teachers teach the standards the entire year. During that time, the students are exposed to material and questions that might be similar to what might be on the CRCT because the CRCT questions are derived from the standards. Teachers have a few resources to material and questions that might be similar to the CRCT, their textbook, study guides and OAS. All of the teachers I know use study materials that are several years old, and according to the state the questions on the CRCT are different each year. Teachers do not have access to the CRCT questions that their students will be taking each year. It is even against the law for the teachers to look at the test, before , during or after the students have taken it. Students learn about the Civil War during the 5th grade. There are only so many ways to ask multiple choice questions about this. So the students see the content and are exposed to similar questions when they learn about it during the year. Why can they not use a study guide for material they have already covered the week prior to the CRCT? In math, there are only so many ways to find the area of a square. When it is covered during the year they do 20 or 30 questions from the book that is similar to what they would see on the CRCT. When they take the test for that material, do you think that they all got of them correct? I doubt it. You imply that because they had similar questions they should all do well, but that is just not the case. In college I had Calculus. In that class we covered the material all semester long and done many problems that would be similar to the questions on the test and in the end the final. The professor gave a study guide at the end of the semester with questions on it that would be similar to what was on the Final. According to your logic, every student show have easily passed that final. We had similar problems during the semester, were given similar questions on the study guide, but nearly half of of the class failed that final. Having questions that are similar to what is on the CRCT does not mean that the students will pass. They still have to know the how to come up with the answers to the actual questions that are on the test, not the similar one they have studied. Teachers teach the content from the standards. The questions for the CRCT come from the standards. That is the only similarity. As far as students not having homework in March and April, all I can say is your kids must not go to the same school as mine because mine were still doing homework 2 days fore the CRCT in most of their classes.  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #19)

Ellijay, GA

CRCT 2012 Results

I agree that it would be teaching to the test if the teachers had the actual test, but a study guide, seriously. All the study guide is is an overview of everything they have already taught during the year. I guess the entire year when they are covering all of the standards has nothing to do with it. They have books(Study guides) that they use for everyone, but this only happens about a week before if at all. My daughter's science class did not review at all this year. They finished the content the day before the test. Maybe since you think that this review is where they learn the answers for the test, we should cut the school year down to 20 days and save a ton of money. I guess we should outlaw study guides for every test out there--SAT, ACT, MCAT, LSAT and hundreds more. That gives them an unfair advantage in taking those tests. The more they study for it, the better they might do. Oh no!! LOL!!! We better not let our kids study for any test with the questions at the end of the chapter either!!! It is totally ludicrous to say that they should not study for the test using questions that may be similar to what they will actually see. That would be like telling the kids, we have a test tomorrow but don't study for it. The study guide is simply that, a study guide, and yes, some of the questions might arise again on the CRCT, just as they do on every other test out there. It might be possible that a question in their textbooks might appear too. They review because there could be content on the test that was covered during the first weeks of school. Who cares if they use these guides, or if it was just out of the book to make sure they know how to find volume or area. It is just a review, and the teacher is not there taking the test for them. I guess when they review 7 months of content for one week in 5 content areas, they are able to remember all of that and and if a question is possibly the same, they remember the answers.  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #16)

Ellijay, GA

CRCT 2012 Results

I think the CRCT is a joke myself. It doesn't measure what the student has learned throughout the year, it just learns some facts that they were able to remember on the day of the test. As far as teaching to the test, I assume you are saying that they teach the standards. Correct me if I am wrong on that.  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #14)

Ellijay, GA

CRCT 2012 Results

I totally agree, there is still plenty of room for improvement in each area.  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #13)

Ellijay, GA

Public Education in Gilmer County.

How do you know that all teachers are the product ofpublic education?  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #49)

Ellijay, GA

Gilmer Schools Nepotism

Even in a Charter school, ability groups could not be done. It all has to do with a federal law passed by congress, orginally in the mid 70's, but it has been updated many times. I believe it is the Individuals with Disabilities Act. Even private schools have to follow this, and that is why most private schools do not accept students wth disabilities. If the law is not followed, a discrimination lawsuit could be filed and they would easily win. As far as everything else you discussed, I totally agree that we need after school programs and mentoring programs. I know saying that parents should be more involved will not change anything, but if somehow it could change, that would make the biggest impact on student achievement than anything else that could be done. They did manage to make this shift in Finland about 25 years ago. I don't know how they done it, but they convinced all of the parents that school is the most important thing, and it has made a big difference there.  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #141)

Ellijay, GA

CRCT 2012 Results

In looking at the math scores from last year to this year it looks like EES in 3rd and 4th grade and MVE in 4th grade had significant decreases. All the other grades either had increases or just a 1% decrease. I averaged EES and Oak scores from last year to compare with EES for this year and averaged all 3 elementary schools last year to compare to 5th grade this year. Then averaged CCMS and GMS from last year to compare to 6th, 7th and 8th grade this year. Great job this year in all of the other subjects with double digit increases overall.  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #10)

Ellijay, GA

Gilmer Schools Nepotism

I agree with most of this. Ability grouping can not be done, it is against the law. I do agree that it is ludicrous to expect them to effectively plan for up to 4 different groups of students per class. I would add to #3 Demand parental support and involvement at home, making sure that the students are prepared for the next day. With a high population of Low SES students, this can be a major issue. Many Low SES families to not place the same importance on education as families where both parents have college educations. Sad, but true, and that is not always the case. Also for #4, what grounds would be required to petition the board for a formal review?  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #139)

Ellijay, GA

Public Education in Gilmer County.

Agreed!!!  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #43)

Ellijay, GA

Public Education in Gilmer County.

I agree it is a sad scenario, and know nothing about IEP's other than one teacher told me she had a student that was allowed to curse 4 times a day, it was in a 504 or something. I do think they spend to much money on sports, that is not what is most important. Don't get me wrong, I love sports and I played 4 while in high school. Sports can be very benificial as long as the budget is fine, but in the current situation, I would have rather seem them cut sports instead of days.  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #42)

Ellijay, GA

Public Education in Gilmer County.

I agree that there needs to be a better system of evaluating teachers. One of two 30 min evaluations per year is not sufficient. I also think that tenure should be thrown out as well, and I believe that the majority of teachers would agree with that too. The issue is, How do you determine what makes the best teacher? You can't base it on just scores like some suggest. How do you compare a teacher who teaches Gifted kids to a teacher who teaches sped kids? Also, if the teacher teaches the same thing to every student, shouldn't each student receive the same grade? NO, they would not. This is because of differences in the students. How hard did each student try? How much parental support did the child have? Did he eat 3 meals everyday the entire school year? How many days did the child miss of school? What dramatic events happened during the year for that child? There are so many variables that can affect scores. One teacher told me that a few years ago on the CRCT, they saw a students answer sheet and the student had bubbled in 2 answers on the same line, thus making each answer following that on the wrong line. If the teacher had not seen that and brought it to the attention of the students, they would have missed a lot of questions. Would that have been the fault of the teacher? Here is a great article about teacher evaluations. http://blogs.ajc.c om/get-schooled-bl og/2012/07/12/bill -gates-in-atlanta- dont-rush-teacher- evaluations-do-it- right/  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #41)