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Martinsville, VA

Where did everybody go? hhmm

If God sovereignty willed all men to be saved, all men would be saved. This is why I continually tell you fellows to study more on the "wills" of God. Has anyone here ever debated someone of Universalism? They very scriptures you use are the same ones they use. You should convert to Universalism. "For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur," (Acts 4:27-28). God had Herod and Pontius Pilate carry out His will. This was in the plan of God from the foundation of the World. God predestined the crucifixion to occur at the hands of sinful men. Didn't they sin in condemning Jesus? Yes! This predestination required that people sin yet God did not make them sin? God does not tempt anyone (James 1:13). However God in His sovereignty carried out His will using their sin to accomplish His will. God’s sovereign will: Job 42:2, "I know that You can do everything, And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You.” Ephesians 1:11, where we learn that God is the one “who works all things according to the counsel of His will,” God’s preceptive will: Do not steal, love our enemies, repent of our sins, and that we be holy as He is holy, etc. Therefore, there is no excuse for sinning, and we can not claim that by choosing to sin we are simply fulfilling God’s sovereign will. Judas was fulfilling God’s sovereign will in betraying Christ, just as the Romans who crucified Him were. This does not justify their sins. They were held accountable for their rejection of Christ (Acts 4:27-28). God’s permissive will: While it is clear that God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, it is also clear that He wills their death. 1 Timothy 2:4 we see that God’s will is all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth,” yet we know that God’s sovereign will is that “no one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day”  (Nov 21, 2012 | post #14)

Martinsville, VA

Free will or Calvins will

I’m not really interested in discussing witches goblins devil worship in your living room that stuff is from “Marrs”  (Aug 23, 2012 | post #14)

Martinsville, VA

Regeneration is a monergistic

Sir all I see on this discussion board are people you just described. I do not see any one on here in full complete agreement yet still you fellows debate over baptism and other stuff over and over. If you do not take my word look at the countless threads on here. It seems as long as the talks here relate to the particular Church you fellows attend then all is fine and dandy. But how dare I discuss my views. Come on Dave NG you know this isn’t fair. I have spent a great deal of time reading through the threads on here and have you convinced anyone of your water salvation? Nay. You didn’t bail out on them talks but always tried your best to persuade others that you have the truth on the matter. This is what I am doing as well. This Catholic, Disciples of Christ, LDS, Church of Christ discussion board has been taken over by the Presbyterian Church. I have no plans to leave so if the fellows of this discussion board desire to debate Catholic, Disciples of Christ, LDS, Church of Christ doctrine … you fellows may want to find another site to push your water salvation. I’m here for the long haul.  (Aug 23, 2012 | post #10)

Martinsville, VA

John 3:3-8

Explain. I do not follow your line of thinking.  (Aug 23, 2012 | post #34)

Martinsville, VA

Free will or Calvins will

In due time this all shall be addressed. In short I will say I do not know who are the elect and who are not thus I preach to ALL MEN.  (Aug 23, 2012 | post #12)

Martinsville, VA

God's Will

If God sovereignty willed all men to be saved, all men would be saved. This is why I continually tell you fellows to study more on the "wills" of God. Has anyone here ever debated someone of Universalism? They very scriptures you use are the same ones they use. You should convert to Universalism.  (Aug 23, 2012 | post #19)

Martinsville, VA

God's Will

"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur," (Acts 4:27-28). God had Herod and Pontius Pilate carry out His will. This was in the plan of God from the foundation of the World. God predestined the crucifixion to occur at the hands of sinful men. Didn't they sin in condemning Jesus? Yes! This predestination required that people sin yet God did not make them sin? God does not tempt anyone (James 1:13). However God in His sovereignty carried out His will using their sin to accomplish His will.  (Aug 23, 2012 | post #18)

Martinsville, VA

God's Will

God’s sovereign will: Job 42:2, "I know that You can do everything, And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You.” Ephesians 1:11, where we learn that God is the one “who works all things according to the counsel of His will,” God’s preceptive will: Do not steal, love our enemies, repent of our sins, and that we be holy as He is holy, etc. Therefore, there is no excuse for sinning, and we can not claim that by choosing to sin we are simply fulfilling God’s sovereign will. Judas was fulfilling God’s sovereign will in betraying Christ, just as the Romans who crucified Him were. This does not justify their sins. They were held accountable for their rejection of Christ (Acts 4:27-28). God’s permissive will: While it is clear that God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, it is also clear that He wills their death. 1 Timothy 2:4 we see that God’s will is all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth,” yet we know that God’s sovereign will is that “no one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:44).  (Aug 23, 2012 | post #16)

Martinsville, VA

Regeneration is a monergistic

"Do not cast your pearls before swine - don't give what is holy to the dogs" is a common cop out for those who can not answer. Jesus didn't use that saying as you are towards me a fellow believer in Jesus Christ. True no matter how many times I beat the dead horse you fellows will not give it a second thought just as I will not give your water salvation a second thought.  (Aug 23, 2012 | post #8)

Martinsville, VA

John 3:3-8

Witches? Men who are witches? Sitting in the living room with devil worshipers? Crossed eyes healed? huh? I think I need a cup of joe. I have no earthy idea what point you are trying to make.  (Aug 23, 2012 | post #27)

Martinsville, VA

Free will or Calvins will

Remember you were away for awhile?? I don't know you.  (Aug 22, 2012 | post #8)

Martinsville, VA

God's Will

No. I never said dummy it down to you as in calling you dumb. I think I said that to Just a Christian person. I didn't mean no harm just a saying when someone does not understand. I also dod not say you are an universalist. I must retire for a few hours, Im very tired. I consider you and friend and sister in the Church despite out differences.  (Aug 22, 2012 | post #14)

Martinsville, VA

John 3:3-8

I am tee totally lost as to what point you are making. Please forgive me but honestly I am struggling to follow your points. I have no earthy idea what you mean by devil worship in your living room. Are you Pentecostal or something on those lines? I have no issue with this even though we may not agree. Sister I am running on very little sleep. I want to stress once more I am not your enemy. If we have responded to Gods call we are the Elect of God this brother and sister in Jesus the Christ.  (Aug 22, 2012 | post #25)

Martinsville, VA

Free will or Calvins will

Sorry but I do not follow you point. I use Word and other programs to write what I plan to post here. I then cut/paste what I wrote and place here.  (Aug 22, 2012 | post #6)

Martinsville, VA

God's Will

This is one thread I do wish some on here would study more. I strongly suggest a study on Universalism as this will make you aware of the error that many here hold.  (Aug 22, 2012 | post #12)