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Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

Sure, NOW, after I called you out for it. No points for honesty after the fact. Too lateThe domestic kind, which would like nothing more than to make people like me into an unacceptable, abominable lower caste, with no civil rights, no marital protections for my family, and the target of medically discredited psychological torture practices, is far more pressing. We are ALL at more risk of violence perpetrated by home-grown American extremists than by jihadists. Stop letting Fox News tell you what to be afraid of. I'm not DISinterested in hateful foreign ideologies, but I know that the military will face them LONG before I'll have to.  (6 hrs ago | post #43543)

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Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

Yes, it's excessively dumb for you to abridge my full comment. You shouldn't do that to look so deliberately dumb.  (7 hrs ago | post #43536)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

I'm not particularly interested in being protected from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology, if it's simply going to be replaced with the violence and oppression of a hateful DOMESTIC ideology. I'll take my chances with the ideology that's 8000 miles away.  (8 hrs ago | post #43531)

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Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

I'm talking about a lot of things. Christian ministries taking state money to proselytize. Christian flags in court rooms, Christian bumper stickers on police cars. Creationist attempts to infiltrate science classrooms. Slap-on-the-wrist punishments for molesting pastors and faith-healer parents who let their children die. Monopolies on capitol building displays. Overlooking political involvement of churches without taxation. Exclusion of non-Christian invocations at city meetings. And on and on. Christians think they own EVERYTHING, marriage included, and their current outrage is over nothing more than having their throne reduced to the same size as all the other chairs at the tableEveryone is only married if the government endorses themDid all these numerous newly-wed friends of yours get marriage licenses? If they did, they sought government endorsement. If not, no one will consider them married except for their deluded selves, which counts for nothing.  (Friday | post #43504)

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Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

That's why Christians are seeing less protection of their privilege. They're being treated like everyone else (finally) instead of benefiting from over 200 years of bias in their favorBoomers were right alongside the rest of us in the fight for marriage equality. They didn't settle for sham marriages, they wanted government recognition. You don't know squat about the people you talk aboutIt already did in the Masterpiece case, and the Azucar case. Liberty is way ahead of you.  (Friday | post #43500)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

Like any court justice, she's supposed to review laws which are being challenged, assess whether they are constitutional or not, and strike them down as invalid if they are not constitutional. That's just what she did. Don't pretend as if every court justice doesn't have a bias. They all do. Some are just biased in favor of Christian citizens, while some prefer to support all citizens regardless of religionThey would agree with me. All married couples want the authorization of the government. That's why all married couples seek it out. ALLMaybe you can convince me of that when straight couples stop seeking the government's authorization. Marriage in the United States has no constraints on gender, whether you like it or not. Two straight men could even get married, and the government wouldn't stop them. You couldn't call that a gay marriage. It's just marriage. Like it or not, that's the lawSure, gay people go looking in the Yellow Pages for bakers who advertise that they don't serve gay people. I'm sure it happens all the time. Except for all the NEVER times it happened. It's people like you who force these cases into existence, by illegally refusing to comply with the commerce laws which were agreed upon at the time of receiving a business license. Fortunately, people like you also LOSE these cases, by failing to have a good excuse for breaking the law. These cases move forward, all right. Directly into the "found in favor of the plaintiff" files.  (Thursday Jul 21 | post #43461)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

It's actually RBG. But yours fits with your understanding of law. Poor. Anyone who got ministers to perform a ceremony got a sham marriage. It remains true that every single straight couple who is married, went running right to the government for validation. Every single one. Even if they have a "common-law " marriage, that's a legal designation, given to them by the government. People who don't have a government endorsement aren't "married ". They're just "together ". They're dating. Doesn't matter how many lawyers they hire to put their affairs in order. They're just dating with good organization. That's why gay people continued to fight for the legal recognition of their marriages, even though they had willing ministers and lawyers at their disposal. Those steps were never enough. They wouldn't have been enough for you. All your Topix arguments are not going to stop the fines against merchants who discriminate. Nobody cares what they think about marriage, only what they think about commerce. Their willingness to apply for a business license indicates their acceptance of commerce laws. Break those laws, and the punishment is merited.  (Wednesday Jul 20 | post #43399)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

Topix doesn't like a lot of punctuation copied from outside sources. You have to replace them in the comment blockWhich is exactly what Perkins did. He supports open discrimination, right up to the point where he is the target. He refuses to let his own behavior conform to what he expects of usThere's nothing shameful in expecting all Americans to be treated equally. The caste system you're supporting is shameful. It won't be allowedMany Christians didn't think so. Why are you forcing them to abandon their moral and religious views in favor of secular ones? Even the Bible supports slaveryOh, so you want positive stability for heterosexuals only? For the children of heterosexuals only? Gay people can get lost? Not gonna flyThere's only one institution. All marriages within it are treated equallyIf gay people were "married " in the 60's, without the government, then it appears that your argument is that people can just ANNOUNCE that they're married, without a license, without a ceremony, without any official recognition whatsoever. I don't see straight people doing that. They all go running to the governmentThey don't define it by just running around making personal proclamations, with the freedom to contradict one another. They define it through the law, as part of a consensus-based process which culminates in the Supreme Court. That court has spokenYes, they are waking up to that bias. That's why Roy Moore is currently suspended, and awaiting trial for ethics violations. The treatment of religion as a super-power has had its run.  (Wednesday Jul 20 | post #43392)

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Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

When Muslims commit crimes, we talk about it on threads dedicated to Muslim crimesReligion shares the blame, for being a hotbed of anti-gay bigotryWhen speaking of Christian crimes, on a thread dedicated to that subject, Frankie inserts "But Muslims!" into every sentence, hoping to distract from the Christian crimes. No one knows whyHe's urging me to ignore you. That's "trolling "? I'm a troll if I DON'T respond? Yeah, let's try that out.  (Friday Jul 15 | post #43208)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

If you're making fake predictions, it's not MY language which is loadedWell, stop keeping them secret. Every post has a number. Share this profusion of examples with the class. Share ONE example of anyone saying that Muslims beheading gays is just hunky dory. I'm only asking for ONE. Here's a prediction: I won't see itThere's plenty of reasons to talk about Christian crimes on a thread which gets its title from Christian crimes. You keep accusing people of "red herrings", but who is the one insisting on diverting the subject to Muslims? You are hoping we'll talk about anything OTHER than these specific Christian crimes. WhyThere's no NEED for any posts about Muslim atrocities. There are other threads for that. If you go there, you won't be faced with discussing Christian crimesNot on a thread dedicated to Christian crimes. Stop trying to get everyone to look away from Christians behaving badly. We all know Muslims are committing crimes, too, but there are other threads dedicated to that. It's irresponsible to ignore one injustice simply because another exists.  (Friday Jul 15 | post #43201)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

Is this really all you've got? These fake predictions? It's not MY fault that you couldn't find any examples of anyone here defending radical Muslims beheading gay people.  (Friday Jul 15 | post #43197)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

If Christians did 9/11, Muslims would be all you'd want to talk about. Stop ignoring Christians breaking the law. Look at the headline at the top of this thread. It doesn't mention Muslims either. If you have a Muslim fetish, indulge it elsewhereThere's no good reason not to. And in many states, it would be against the law. Some Christians don't care about that, and you don't seem to either.  (Friday Jul 15 | post #43191)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

Once I open a bakery (if ever), you'll be welcome to come in. If the cake you want is part of my standard catalog, there'll be no problem. I certainly won't care where you'll eat it (and I would be overstepping the law if I did). But if you ask for something special which isn't part of my regular repertoire, then we'll just have to see. I'll have final discretion over something like that, just like any bakery does. You really don't get how any of this works, do you?  (Friday Jul 15 | post #43184)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

Considering that I have an audience of ONE, and you're it, I'm not at all surprisedI'll let the military handle the Muslims who do bad. They're committing crimes against humanity. Christians are breaking American laws. Why don't you careI'll mention them both (and have, repeatedly). But Christians in this country purport to follow the law. When they don't, they deserve to be called out on it. Why won't you?  (Friday Jul 15 | post #43183)

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'Star Trek' creator's son unsure of gay Sulu

Give me Quinto every time.  (Friday Jul 15 | post #12)

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