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More powerful than the love of Christian parents, that's for sure.  (Sunday Aug 5 | post #7)

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US top court rules for baker in gay wedding cake case

You say this as if you cannot imagine any religion ever restricting anyone's rights. Unless you deliberately turn a blind eye to it, you would see it every day. Religion was used as a justification for slavery and segregation. It wasn't until 1961 that many state constitutions had religious tests for public office struck down. Christianity has opposed every single right, freedom and equality that the LGBT community has EVER sought. Don't act like it's never occurred to you that religion can use its power and influence to exert control over people outside its congregationsThis absurdly stretches the definition of the word "artist" . A true artist has the freedom to decline commissions on work they produce from their studio. Snickerdoodle manufacturers who operate from a storefront are not in the same category, no matter how pretty their cakes are. Frosting artists should have the freedom to decline specific messages and images to be printed on their pastries, but if a generic product is available to anyone, then it should be available to all. Otherwise, are we to believe that Phillips' religion treats mock-weddings for dogs as a sacrament? A reporter posing as a customer once asked Phillips to provide a wedding cake for pets "Roscoe and Buffy", and he happily agreed. This absolutely is not about an "event", it's about discriminating against human beings. In any case, Colorado's Anti-Discriminatio n Act is STILL in effect. It has not been rescinded, it has not been repealed, it has not been amendedThey did. Pointing out that religion has been used as an excuse to discriminate is a true fact, and does not violate anyone's 1A rightsBollocks. I advocate that commerce laws be applied to all merchants equally, and that no merchants be allowed to exempt themselves from the law simply by whining that they are religious, and therefore above the law. A merchant's religion should be none of the customer's business, and should not influence a transaction. There is no reason I should need to know what a merchant's personal beliefs are, other than his belief in exchanging money for goods and services.  (Sunday Aug 5 | post #1418)

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US top court rules for baker in gay wedding cake case

SCOTUS felt that his 1A rights were violated AT the hearing, because they felt that the commission was "too harsh" on religion. And all because one commission member had the "audacity " to truthfully recognize that religion has been used to oppress people and unjustifiably restrict rights. Spoiler alert: IT SURE HAS! Right or wrong, what they did NOT do was strike down the Colorado Anti-Discriminatio n Act. They did not rule that this Act violates his 1A rights in obligating him to serve a wedding cake to a gay couple. The next time such a request is made to him, or to any merchant in Colorado, this law will still be in effect, and the expectation of service will still be there. Should Phillips or another merchant appeal, you can bet that the Civil Rights Commission will be EXTRA CAREFUL with their wording this time so that SCOTUS will not be able to object. Those of you who support bigotry and discrimination have "won" this case on completely the wrong grounds, and it does not get you what you want. I am not "watering it down", I am explaining the details to you with the clarity of water.  (Friday Aug 3 | post #1414)

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US top court rules for baker in gay wedding cake case

They only ruled that Phillips did not receive a fair hearing from the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, and so that commission's previous ruling was vacated. SCOTUS did not rule that Phillips has a right to discriminate, nor that any merchant does. Colorado's Anti-Discriminatio n Act has not been struck down. It still stands, including its definitions of a "public accommodation " (which applies to bakeries), and its inclusion of sexual orientation as a protected class in the state.  (Thursday Aug 2 | post #1407)

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US top court rules for baker in gay wedding cake case

Thanks for making Russia great again, Frankie. Maybe Putin will reward you with a soccer ball.  (Jul 17, 2018 | post #1156)

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US top court rules for baker in gay wedding cake case

Funny, nowhere in there is your list of custom differences requested in that cake. Still waiting on that. You must be putting together a BIG list, since you don't have it ready yet. I also see no explanation of how you would support a merchant who claimed their religion forbade interracial marriages, or Jewish marriages, or Hindu marriages. And I don't see your ringing endorsement of atheist merchants who want to turn away Christians. It's a toss-up for which will happen first.... advocates for Christian special rights will answer a direct question, or Jesus will return.  (Jul 17, 2018 | post #1155)

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US top court rules for baker in gay wedding cake case

Between their gerrymandering, open treason, and vilification of education, the destruction of the nation into one giant failed red state is all but guaranteed. Soon, America will have the success of Alabama and Missouri combined. We'll lead the world in illiteracy, crime, disease, obesity, teen pregnancy, high-school drop-outs, poverty.... and of course religion. There'll be theocracy, Alex Jones and Noah's Ark theme parks for everyone, whether they want it or not. Except for the gays, they'll just get big rocks to the skull. Because traditions.  (Jul 16, 2018 | post #1148)

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US top court rules for baker in gay wedding cake case

Pretend that you were brave enough to admit that Little Golden Books are your intellectual limit. When conservatives get their way, words WILL cost $1, minimum.  (Jul 16, 2018 | post #1146)

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US top court rules for baker in gay wedding cake case

So what? Why does that matter? Is that the cut-off criteria for religious freedom? Stop thinking in terms of what YOUR personal religion says. Someone ELSE'S religion might tell them that interracial marriages are sinful. Will you tell them that they cannot have this sincerely held beliefSO WHAT? Jesus Christ you people are clueless. Religious freedom does not mean that everyone must practice as YOU practice. If someone's religion tells them to shun a particular minority, where do you get off telling them that's not good enough? The truth is, you only want "religious freedom" to be so narrowly tailored as to service YOUR prejudices (i.e. anti-gay), and it simply doesn't occur to you that other people's religions have their own unique prejudices which might differ from your own. And you would withhold ALL these rights from atheist merchants, simply because they don't have "religious " beliefs. You are all the same. You want special rights for religion. And you won't even recognize those rights unless they are being used how YOU would use themThen how does this free him from "participatin g"? ANY baked goods would still be used to celebrate a same-sex marriageArtists work out of a gallery or studio. If I want a portrait painted, I don't visit the a place that sells donuts. Food servers work at public accommodations. Such establishments must obey their local commerce laws. And WHAT HAPPENS when an "artist" finds an interracial marriage objectionable? Or a Hindu marriage? You, apparently, insist that they must serve that event no matter what. But you give a free pass to discriminate when gay people are holding the eventThat's what YOU people do. Gays walk in the door, and you immediately divide them from everyone else. You've decided that our identity makes us expendable outsiders. It was that way for marriage, for military service, for adoption, for employment, for housing, or just for walking down the street holding hands. No matter WHAT equal treatment we ask for, you hateful bigots have ALWAYS been there to say noThat's not what "custom" means. A custom product has enhancements or additions present for one customer, which are not present for a different customer. Please tell me all the different custom requests were made. Of course, you can't do it without lying and dodging. Weddings are for same-sex couples now, too. Your bigotry doesn't change that. And this cake wasn't even FOR a wedding, it was only for a reception. You lie all the way through your own arguments.  (Jul 16, 2018 | post #1143)

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US top court rules for baker in gay wedding cake case

If he's happy to serve them brownies or cookies or sheet cake for their wedding, as you simpletons constantly say he is, then he's "participatin g" in their wedding to the exact same degree. A different product does not reduce his participation level. You have zero consistencyThere's one in Colorado, and it isn't even gone. SCOTUS only reversed the decision in THIS CASE ALONE. It did not repeal or change Colorado's anti-discriminatio n law. 21 other states also have public accommodation laws which protect from discrimination based on sexual orientation. There are many enlightened places in our nation which do not allow the establishment of a caste system, with gay people at the bottom and religious people at the topAnd may unicorns carry us to the leprechaun gold. May simpleton Americans outgrow their divisive and foolish superstitions.  (Jul 16, 2018 | post #1142)

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US top court rules for baker in gay wedding cake case

If an interracial couple wanted a wedding, he couldn't turn THEM away, even if his religious beliefs said that the races shouldn't mix. Do you complain when that happens? If a Jewish couple wanted a cake, he'd be "forced" to serve them as well, even if his religious beliefs led him to be anti-Semitic. Do you go to Jewish threads to tell them how intolerant they are? Do you? Can you answer those questions? Do you only reserve your anger for when it is gay people who want service? Or do you take issue with EVERY protection in the Civil Rights Act? Can atheist merchants turn away customers in the same way that religious merchants can? Or is that a right which atheists cannot use? Is this a special right only for the religious? Be honest! Answer a question for once, instead of avoiding them allWhere is the right to water-ski in the Constitution? There is no right to argyle socks in the Constitution! Call out the SWAT teams! There are violators everywhere! Stop trying to use the Constitution to find excuses to exclude your fellow Americans from their communities. The Constitution is intended to make sure that everyone is treated equally, but people like you only want to twist it to treat certain people as if they were an untouchable caste. And I'm STILL WAITING for that list of custom requests on that cake. Are you having trouble locating any? Did you just want to admit that there WEREN'T any, and that this cake was to be no different than any other cake served?  (Jul 15, 2018 | post #1127)

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US top court rules for baker in gay wedding cake case

Consumer protections are for CONSUMERS, genius, not for cakes. No one is trying to protect cake's rights. And "custom made" refers to specific differences in one product which are not present on other products. Which custom requests were made by the gay couple in this case? Please list their custom requests for me. I look forward to your comprehensive explanation of which requests crossed the lineYes, yes, and the blacks at the Woolworth's lunch counter could've just found another place to eat, one which didn't make the white people uncomfortable. Discrimination is just SO EASY for the people who say, "move along, we don't want your kind here". The existence of the Civil Rights Act must really anger you, by forcing merchants to serve blacks, Jews and women. I'm sure you breathe a big sigh of relief whenever you remember that sexual orientation isn't (yet) included in those protections. What a horrible world it would be if merchants had to serve gays as well as all those other groups, right? Life wouldn't be worth living if there wasn't SOMEONE you could turn away.  (Jul 14, 2018 | post #1111)

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US top court rules for baker in gay wedding cake case

Oh, I'm well aware. He's a simpleton who is really only here to rile and troll. Like all these conservative fundamentalist wackos, he doesn't think his position through, and he's happy to see an application of rights for one group, without equally applying them to everyone.  (Jul 14, 2018 | post #1109)

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