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Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

If your agenda is, "never punish lawbreakers", then yeah, I have a different than that. My only agenda is equal treatment for all customers. Merchants are not empowered to blanket-ban entire demographics of people from buying their products. But transgressors don't need to be imprisoned OR put out of business, calm down. Fines will doWhy don't they just go to the Piggly Wiggly instead of McDonald's, or the Apple Store, or Bank of America? If you build a big enough wall of laws around us, you could keep us out of your face everywhere you go! Win win! And when the dental hygienist next door to the bakery says, "Why can't the intolerant black people just jive on down to the 7/11 and get their toothpaste off the shelf?" What are you going to tell her? You get YOUR law allowing merchants to discriminate, but she doesn't get hersYes, your failures of reason are funny. Check your prepositions. If they're different, then your point isn't valid. Selling something "to anyone" is not the same as selling something "to celebrate SSM to anyone". If you don't see it, that's too funny.  (12 hrs ago | post #50087)

Gay/Lesbian

Is Same-Sex Attraction a Sin?

It's not my job to keep track of the crazy things you believeI remember you saying how conflicted you were over your feelings for your mother. Remember that? I do believe you did say it. Are you too old to remember it, or just doing what comes natural? Here's an idea, why not say something rational?  (12 hrs ago | post #26)

Gay/Lesbian

Is Same-Sex Attraction a Sin?

Hate to barge in, just had to say. There's so much gleeful malice in this statement. How is Christianity supposed to be inspiringSo what if he does? Why is this a "sin"? If it's done with consent, how can it not be respected as a matter of personal sovereignty? Isn't that what all people want in their lives? Why does anybody, human or god, need to stick their noses in where no one is being forced? Condemn the people who are hurting other people with willful violence, not those who are sharing pleasureThe Bible is a collection of cultural mythologies, much like the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, or even Homer's Odyssey. It doesn't need "reconciling ", it only needs observation as a historical artifact. They're not "lies", exactly, they're just ancient manuscripts about the "supernatural ", written by primitive people who were relatively new at the arts of writing and storytelling, and who established a lot of early models of development. The Greeks did it, the Norse did it, the Mayans did it... it's common in societies on Earth. These "scriptures " can be appreciated as insights on the times they came from, but they shouldn't be taken literally as truths. I mean, there are talking animals in the Bible, for pete's sakeI certainly don't. How many other supernatural figures can one reject before they ALL start to look like Neolithic holdovers?  (13 hrs ago | post #23)

Gay/Lesbian

Is Same-Sex Attraction a Sin?

Ableist too, of course. Just like Trump.  (13 hrs ago | post #22)

Gay/Lesbian

Is Same-Sex Attraction a Sin?

I don't go around claiming to have heard things that no one said. No one told him I was leaving the country, unless it was the voices in his head.  (13 hrs ago | post #21)

Gay/Lesbian

Is Same-Sex Attraction a Sin?

Nobody told you I was leaving the country. I'd recommend medication if you're hearing phantom voices.  (20 hrs ago | post #14)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

A bakery is not an artist's studio. Holy cow, Frankie. At least TRY.  (20 hrs ago | post #50073)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

False equivalence. You add "to celebrate SSM" inappropriately, changing the terms of the second sentence in a way that the first sentence is not changed. You should be more aware of your failures in argumentation. The correct comparison would be to say, "Does Jack the baker sell cakes TO ANYONE", just like you said in the first sentence. If you change the terms, you undermine your own point.  (20 hrs ago | post #50071)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

I'm glad you don't run the prison system. "Tolerance instead of punishment" is not a good approach to lawbreakers. Tolerance is what was missing from the bakery. Making the cake would have been tolerant. Letting merchants say, "We don't serve your kind" is asinine and irresponsibleGood thing I don't make them in court, huhReach for whatever outlandish stretch of the imagination you like. When someone breaks the law, punish them to an appropriate degree, is much closer to my motto (if I went around with things like mottoes). You like to pretend that Jack was nothing but innocent, but that's not the caseThe problem's already been resolved. Jack was fined for his lawbreaking. Boom, resolution. No torment necessary. If simply posting here represents "torment ", then you must be in Dante's Ninth Circle.  (20 hrs ago | post #50069)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

And you SERIOUSLY think this is a valid argument. Stunning. If a white couple came into a racist's bakery and ordered a cake to celebrate their interracial friends' wedding, turning them down would be just as discriminatoryTryi ng to decide who can use the cake, and for what, is the discriminatory part. He sells CAKES. What they're for is for the CUSTOMER to decide, not the merchant. Any other merchant who said, "We sell cakes, but not for Christian ceremonies", would not only be slapped with a (justified) discrimination lawsuit, the Christian outrage would be DEAFENING. Look what happens when Starbucks makes a plain red cupIf he's going to open his business in, you know, the WORLD, then he'd better steel himself for the fact that people FROM the world are likely going to wander in his doors. He doesn't live in Sin-Free City, and he doesn't get to exempt himself from commerce laws by saying that his religion doesn't believe in them. Does he get out of environmental regulations or employee safety laws by saying those will send him to hell, too? Religion is NOT a magical law-ignoring powerAn open business is a willing business. That's how it works. The Rainbow Faerie Dust bakery is not allowed to turn away Christians, and Christians are not allowed to turn away gays.  (20 hrs ago | post #50064)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

This is no different. Being food service, it's that much more similarNeither are the courtsLetting lawbreakers go without punishment doesn't solve any problems. Letting merchants say, "We don't serve your kind here" never solved anything either.  (20 hrs ago | post #50060)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

That's what they said about marriageYou forget that you were JUST bragging about SCOTUS "having the final say". But that goes right out the window when you don't like their decision, doesn't it? You probably don't call it "bullying " when states singled out gay people to have no legal protections for their families, do youI'm reminded of the old Sesame Street song, "One of these things is not like the others". Gang bangers, felons and sex offenders are criminals, they harm people through theft, assault, or other forms of violence and violations of consent. You aren't harmed by me being gay. Can I make a list of murderers, thieves, vandals and Christians? Are those all the same just because I listed them together? There's a reason your side KEEPS losing in court. You make terrible arguments that anyone can see through. Either show me the bruises you got from gay people existing, or quit your pointless whining.  (20 hrs ago | post #50058)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

The issue on this thread is not federal. It involves a case in Colorado, where consumer protection laws cover gays. There isn't one damn reason why a merchant should turn someone away simply for being gayTalking about Colorado here. It's the first word in the headline. Federal protection will come, just as marriage didSorry, but "wedding cakes" were part of his catalog. It's discrimination to say, "I'll serve this to these customers, but not to those". You're advocating a caste system. You want some people to be lower than othersNobody crapped on the floor. If you can't make a point without hyperbole, then you don't HAVE a point. Walking into an open business and asking to purchase what they advertise is not "crapping on the floorWhat teaches you to make things up about people you don't even knowMedical evidence shows that some people are simply gay or lesbian. And a lot of people are bisexual, a lot more than admit itWhat do my parents have to do with any of this? They don't get to tell me who I should be attracted to anymore than you doThe Constitution outlines a nation where everyone is treated equally, very different from the theocratic fantasies entertained by so many. Do you make the same complaint about every other group, race, age, gender, ability or religion who gets the same protection? Or do you have that one special group you wish would keep their heads down and accept social ostracizationChild ren are going to grow up and want to be as accepted and well-treated as anyone else. Some, of course, will grow up and become bigots. We need less of thatFor respecting consumer protection laws. Yeah, monstrous.  (20 hrs ago | post #50056)

Gay/Lesbian

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

Sure, sure, that happened every time a new civil rights law was passed. Poor old Woolworth's Lunch Counter and those oppressive blacks who wanted to eat there. It all went downhill from there, huhAnd those pesky civil rights laws, forcing saintly merchants to serve all the villains who dared to walk through their open doors.  (21 hrs ago | post #50055)

Gay/Lesbian

Is Same-Sex Attraction a Sin?

"Sin" is an unjust concept.  (21 hrs ago | post #11)

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