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Seventh-day Adventist

JUSTIFIED by the BLOOD of CHRIST

Dear Lay Worker and Shadrach, If you want to believe that "blood" symbolises "life", that is your perfect right to do so. I happen to believe that the communities of the Biblical times thought otherwise. We have different ideas, so what? We are only discussing philosophies of a bygone times, which in our case has no practical ramifications. We believe differently and life goes on. My interest with the subject of "blood" is, however, deeply serious, with life-threatening consequences. Jehovah's Witnesses are told that because "blood=life " they must not use it to sustain their lives. The consequence is diabolical! I point out to JWs that since in the Bible blood represented death, that this has no relevance to its medical application, because the blood particles being received by a patient do not symbolise the death of its previous owner. So your discussions with me are only about supernatural superstitious ideas of Late Iron Age people that have no practical meaning for you or I. I had hoped one of you would have picked up on my hint that the necessity for blood/death is a Pauline myth. Matthew, for example, who came after Paul, provides no such explicit statement. Indeed, they say that the Disciples ran away (spiritually and physically) and that they were totally distraught, even disbelieving that Jesus was resurrected. So much for their faith. Doug PS. Lay Worker: Next time you come down from Yea, let me know. I live a bit down from the bottom end of Melba Highway, named after you know who.  (Saturday Sep 13 | post #199)

Seventh-day Adventist

JUSTIFIED by the BLOOD of CHRIST

Hi Lay Worker, They were writing against the horrific practice of tearing flesh from a living animal and eating that flesh while it was still quivering and with its blood dripping. The instruction at Deuteronomy to drain the blood ensured that the beast was truly dead. Its life force was gone and the blood indicated death. The blood did not indicate that the beast was still alive. If you wish to believe that Jesus did not need to die and that his "life = blood" is sufficient for salvation, that is absolutely your right. The limited space here precludes an indepth discussion, so I refer you to the URLs I previously provided. Doug  (Friday Sep 12 | post #194)

Seventh-day Adventist

JUSTIFIED by the BLOOD of CHRIST

If you wish to read what I have written on the religious meaning of "Blood" in Scripture: http://www.jwstudi es.com/Blood_is_a_ religious_issue.pd f There you will see the hundreds of times it is used in the OT and NT, with the overwhelming clear meaning of "death". Do you believe that Scripture contradicts itself in this regard, or that an understanding is provided through one verse - against the sheer weight of evidence? Jesus' death - the shedding of his blood - does not require the external appearance of the physical substance. Doug  (Friday Sep 12 | post #191)

Seventh-day Adventist

JUSTIFIED by the BLOOD of CHRIST

Shadrach, In the 1970s, my friend Max Hatton loaned me the monograph "The Meaning of 'Blood' in Scripture" by A. M. Stibbs, I thought that Scripture gave it the meaning of "life". It provides more than 30 pages of Biblical evidnce that by "blood", Scripture consistently and overwhelmingly means Death, and normally a violent one. I obtained written permission from the publishers of that monograph to make it freely and publicly available: hence I referred you to it. I am in no position here to repeat those 30+ pages of evidence, http://www.jwstudi es.com/The_Meaning _of__Blood_.pdf ("jwstudies.c om" is the name of my site) At my site, I also provide pages from Antony Snell and from Leon Morris. I am certain you would be fully aware of the unsurpassed scholarship of the late Dr Morris. http://www.jwstudi es.com/blood_anton y_snell.pdf http://www.jwstudi es.com/apostolic_p reaching_of_the_cr oss.pdf I would never demand that you to agree or accept, but at least please read the detailed information they provide. Doug  (Thursday Sep 11 | post #189)

Seventh-day Adventist

JUSTIFIED by the BLOOD of CHRIST

Shadrach, I have already pointed to two sources that lay out the Biblical meaning of "blood", that it means death. Do I need to repeat the URLs of those sources? You ask me for Biblical evidences. Read Romans 5:9-10, recognising the chiastic structure commonly employed in Scripture. Hebrew poetry does not rhyme; instead, it operates with parallel ideas: "Justified by his blood" finds its parallel in "reconciled through his death". The presentation of blood by the priest before the altar proved that the sacrificed animal was dead. What meaning does the expression "avenger of blood" convey? List the appearances of the expression, such as at Numbers 35:19 - "The avenger of blood shall put the murderer to death". Doug  (Thursday Sep 11 | post #187)

Seventh-day Adventist

JUSTIFIED by the BLOOD of CHRIST

The subject of "blood" cannot be discussed until the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures meaning of the word is understood. It consistently means death, and usually a violent death. If it had meant "life", then why did Jesus need to die? And if his "blood" is adequate and sufficient, why was there a need for a resurrection, since it cannot add anything of value to something that has been completed? Doug  (Wednesday Sep 10 | post #182)

Jehovah's Witness

The name "Jehovah" in the New Testament

When the scribes wrote the tetragram into the Dead Sea Scrolls, they used the ancient form of writing. They were encountering a space wherever The Name (Hashem) was intended, so they added letters that were no longer in use or uttered. These letters were thus added to the text centuries after the original texts were written or copied. The Christian scribes used abbreviations for selected sacred words. These are known as the Nomina Sacra, in which the first and last letters were written under a horizontal line. This prcatice was followed as early as the 2nd century in Alexandria, which was the centre of Christian and jewish orthodoxy at the time. The WTS is highly selective in its insertion of "Jehovah " (not the Tetragram), following doctrinal bias rather than fact or evidence, so that it does not limit itself to direct citations from the Hebrew text. Their bias causes the WTS to ignore some places where the NT text actually does refer to a Hebrew text containing the tetragram. http://www.jwstudi es.com/Translating _with_prejudice.pd f Is God incapable of protecting the text? Why does the WTS accept the Scriptures selected by Christendom anyway? Is God going to destroy billions of people because they do not know the Name? If so, then JWs don't stand a chance, for they don't know what God's Name is. Doug  (Tuesday Sep 9 | post #24)

Seventh-day Adventist

EGW Believed the Atonement Done On the Cross Was Perfect ...

If the death of Jesus (Yeshua) was the "perfect and complete" atonement, there is no need for him to be resurrected. And the "rising" part of baptism does not relate to resurrection. Doug  (Tuesday Sep 9 | post #79)

Seventh-day Adventist

JUSTIFIED by the BLOOD of CHRIST

Shadrack, The evidence that throughout Scripture "blood" means "death" is available at: http://www.jwstudi es.com/The_Meaning _of__Blood_.pdf http://www.jwstudi es.com/blood_anton y_snell.pdf Doug  (Tuesday Sep 9 | post #181)

Seventh-day Adventist

JUSTIFIED by the BLOOD of CHRIST

Shadrach, Throughout the Scriptures, the word "blood" always means DEATH, and usually a violent one. It never means "atoning work". Recognise the chasm between Paul (he of the Diaspora and unknown to those living in Jerusalem) and the Jewish Christians at Jerusalem (under James, Cephas and John). This chasm in the soteriology between Paul and Jerusalem is highlighted in the gospel penned by those aligned with Jerusalem - attributed by tradition to Matthew's name. Doug  (Saturday Sep 6 | post #178)

Seventh-day Adventist

JUSTIFIED by the BLOOD of CHRIST

Shadrach, Throughout the Scriptures, the word "blood" means DEATH. It does not mean "atoning work". Also, you need to recognise the chasm between Paul (he of the Diaspora and unknown to those living in Jerusalem) and the Jewish Christians at Jerusalem (under James, Cephas and John). This chasm in the soteriology between Paul and Jerusalem is highlighted in the gospel penned by those aligned with Jerusalem - attributed by tradition to Matthew's name. Doug  (Saturday Sep 6 | post #177)

Seventh-day Adventist

The bible proves we are SAVED by WORKS!

Danno, No one knows who wrote any of the Gospels. Dooug  (Saturday Sep 6 | post #226)

Seventh-day Adventist

The Council of Trent upheld paganism.

The Council of Trent is the only assembly that has voted on the list (canon) of writings that constitute the New Testament. Protestant churches accept the list of 27 books based on tradition. Doug  (Aug 3, 2014 | post #5)

Seventh-day Adventist

The False Doctrine of 7-year tribulation

For an alternate view, read my two Studies at: http://www.jwstudi es.com/Critique_of _GM_on_Daniel_9.pd f http://www.jwstudi es.com/Is_Awake_ac curate_about_Messi ah_s_anointing.pdf Doug  (Aug 3, 2014 | post #5)

Seventh-day Adventist

"God-breathed SCriptures"

pen, These URL references do not stack up against Biblical scholarship. For example, Paul did not write all of the epistles claimed to be authored by him. Nor do these URL references describe the long processes of canonisation. Nor do they describe the deliberate and accidental changes introduced in the copying process. The KJV relies on one set of Greek NT texts whereas others use a different set. Christians rely on the Greek OT text (Septuagint) whereas Jews rely on the Hebrew OT text (Masoretic). The fact there are differences says that any original "inscriptured " texts have been altered. So evidence for the "inspiration " of the Bible writers comes from the Bible writers. And this claim is true because the Bible writers were "inspired ". And we know they were inspired because they said they were inspired. Therefore they were "inspired ". And the Scriptures do not define the meaning of the rare word "inspiration " nor do they provide the list of writings that are defined as such. And the NT writers relied on writings that are no longer accepted as Scripture. The Church survived for several centuries before it produced the list (canon) of Scriptures. The list they decided on was selected on the basis of what they already believed. The Church created the Bible, not the other way around. Read my Study. Doug  (Aug 3, 2014 | post #5)

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