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Jehovah's Witness

“The Jesus-followers’ first 200 years”

For your information - I do not believe in these dates or in any other date. I do not believe that Jesus is coming back or that he has returned. Work from facts, instead of arguing against your imagination. Doug  (Saturday Aug 20 | post #13)

Jehovah's Witness

“The Jesus-followers’ first 200 years”

You forgot the dates that started this: 1872, 1874, and 1878. Actually, the current key date for the Watchtower is 1919. Doug  (Thursday Aug 18 | post #11)

Jehovah's Witness

“The Jesus-followers’ first 200 years”

As it exists in the Bible, there are two contradictory stories of the ark and the flood which have been intertwined. Just as the two Creation Myths contradict one another, so too do the two Flood myths. Modern people make the mistake of reading these ancient writings literally. They were never intended to be a verbatim record - they are all religious novels that were vehicles designed to carry a message. Even the synoptic ("same view") Gospels are seriously at odds with one another. To answer your question: the bulk of the Hebrew Scriptures comes out of the 6th century neo-Babylonian era. For example, although the first 39 chapters of Isaiah come from the 8th century, the remaining chapters come from 200 years later. Deuteronomy was written 600 years after the "Exodus" . Chronicles was written in the 4th century. And so on. With the New Testanent, Paul's writings are the earliest (about 50-60 CE) and the latest was 2 Peter, written about 170 CE. Of the 13 (0r 14) writings attributed to Paul, he actually was respoinsible for only 7 of them. I am not and never have been a JW - so get your facts right before trying. Doug  (Wednesday Aug 17 | post #9)

Jehovah's Witness

“The Jesus-followers’ first 200 years”

Newtonian, I do not doubt your sincerity. While Jesus' immediate followers knew what he taught, not one of the anonymous Gospel writers either saw or heard Jesus. The Matthew gospel, which you cite, was written more than 50 years after Jesus was executed. The reason that Matt 22:37-40 accurately quotes Deuteronomy is that this is where the writers of the Gospel got the words from. Have you checked whether the Masoretic is the same as the Septuagint? Doug  (Wednesday Aug 17 | post #7)

Jehovah's Witness

“The Jesus-followers’ first 200 years”

How can anyone know what Jesus taught? The earliest Gospel was written 40 years after Jesus' death. Each Gospel is a record of each community's ideas at the time it was written. And Jesus did not write anything. Doug  (Wednesday Aug 17 | post #3)

Seventh-day Adventist

The Jesus-followers' first 200 years

Did you fail to see my Study? Doug  (Wednesday Aug 17 | post #2)

Jehovah's Witness

“The Jesus-followers’ first 200 years”

The archaeologist digs and then sifts through remnants from the past, assembling the discoveries into patterns so that stories of the past may be brought back to life. With almost 850 direct quotations from 50 books, my Study sifts remnants from the first 200 years of Christianity and sorts them into patterns that may help others to assemble a vessel that can hold ideas, or to form a skeleton where muscle and flesh, heart and mind, may be applied. A comprehensive Contents listing is provided at the rear of the Study. My Study, “The Jesus-followers’ first 200 years” is available at: http://www.jwstudi es.com/The_Jesus-f ollowers__First_20 0_years.pdf Doug  (Tuesday Aug 16 | post #1)

Jehovah's Witness

John 1:1

This story, along with others in John, such as Nicodemus, are parables. They are stories created by the Johannine Community in which people such as the blind man, the lame man, and Nicodemus are representatives of groups. They Johannines did not condemn all other Jews, some of whiom they recognised as "other sheep" who would be gathered in with them. There is no suggestion that any of the Gospels is intended to record literal history. They are artificially and theologically structured, so each needs to be understood in the context of the times it was written. Doug  (Friday Jul 29 | post #323)

Jehovah's Witness

John 1:1

Hi Larry, Good to hear from you. The initial stages of the Gospel of John were penned about 85 CE, with the final redaction about 110 CE. The Apostle John had nothing to do with it. The Gospel, as with the others, relied on decades of oral traditions, and each was shaped to address its own community's concerns. The Gospel of John was penned by a community in response to their experiences at the hand of the local synagogue. The Gospel of John therefore needs be read on two levels: (1) the level of what happened to the community (its history) and (2) the level of its meaning (theology) for the Evangelist and his audience. In other words, the dialogue between the local synagogue and the Johannine Christians was the primary issue being addressed by John’s story of Jesus, not the other way around. Doug  (Thursday Jul 28 | post #272)

Jehovah's Witness

John 1:1

Context is significant. Before attempting to explain anything in John's Gospel, understand the group that was responsible for producing it. Who were they? What were their experiences? To whom were they writing, and for what purpose? As a starter, the Gospel was written about 85 CE, which if you are familiar with the history of that time, will provide you with the starting point in determining the context. Doug  (Thursday Jul 28 | post #270)

Jehovah's Witness

URL update for the "1919" presentation

Hi, As the result of feedback and comments, I made some minor adjustments to the presentation on the Watchtower's method for calculating 1919. These adjustments are so minor that I doubt whether most people will notice them. I guess I am a bit of a pedant. Anyway, the URLs for the touched-up files are: For the PowerPoint Show: http://www.jwstudi es.com/Appointed_i n_1919_version_2.p psx For the PDF file: http://www.jwstudi es.com/Appointed_i n_1919_version_2.p df Doug  (Jun 2, 2016 | post #1)

Jehovah's Witness

The Watchtower's method to show that it was appointed in ...

Irishdub, Are you honestly saying that the WTS will revert to saying that the Parousia took place in 1874? Or that 1914 will see the end of gentile governments and the setting up of God's Kingdom on earth under the Zionists? The outbreak of unprecedented peace? Or that it will revert to being a democracy? Or that it will stop using the term, "Jehovah's witnesses"? Will they revert to voting for the presidency of the Society? Doug  (May 28, 2016 | post #6)

Jehovah's Witness

The Watchtower's method to show that it was appointed in ...

Hi, Please note that when you tell me of the corrections I need to make that this is a simplfied, minimalist presentation dealing with the Society's appointment in 1919. It is available as a PowerPoint Show: http://www.jwstudi es.com/Appointed_i n_1919.ppsx And as a PDF: http://www.jwstudi es.com/Appointed_i n_1919.pdf Doug  (May 26, 2016 | post #1)

Seventh-day Adventist

Are all under the law?

Becuase the Genesis 1 account was created by Elohists, this is the reason God is named EL throughout Genesis 1 and why the group of Gods is named the Elohim (in OUR image). That story was written after the Creation story was written by the Yahwists, who employed the Name YHWH in their writings from the outset. Yes I agree, these writers were homophobes, and their agenda permeates their writings. Genesis 1 is poetry; it is a religious story. It was not written by any eye witness. Doug  (Apr 26, 2016 | post #49)

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