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Seventh-day Adventist

The Council of Trent upheld paganism.

The Council of Trent is the only assembly that has voted on the list (canon) of writings that constitute the New Testament. Protestant churches accept the list of 27 books based on tradition. Doug  (Sunday Aug 3 | post #5)

Seventh-day Adventist

The False Doctrine of 7-year tribulation

For an alternate view, read my two Studies at: http://www.jwstudi es.com/Critique_of _GM_on_Daniel_9.pd f http://www.jwstudi es.com/Is_Awake_ac curate_about_Messi ah_s_anointing.pdf Doug  (Sunday Aug 3 | post #5)

Seventh-day Adventist

"God-breathed SCriptures"

pen, These URL references do not stack up against Biblical scholarship. For example, Paul did not write all of the epistles claimed to be authored by him. Nor do these URL references describe the long processes of canonisation. Nor do they describe the deliberate and accidental changes introduced in the copying process. The KJV relies on one set of Greek NT texts whereas others use a different set. Christians rely on the Greek OT text (Septuagint) whereas Jews rely on the Hebrew OT text (Masoretic). The fact there are differences says that any original "inscriptured " texts have been altered. So evidence for the "inspiration " of the Bible writers comes from the Bible writers. And this claim is true because the Bible writers were "inspired ". And we know they were inspired because they said they were inspired. Therefore they were "inspired ". And the Scriptures do not define the meaning of the rare word "inspiration " nor do they provide the list of writings that are defined as such. And the NT writers relied on writings that are no longer accepted as Scripture. The Church survived for several centuries before it produced the list (canon) of Scriptures. The list they decided on was selected on the basis of what they already believed. The Church created the Bible, not the other way around. Read my Study. Doug  (Sunday Aug 3 | post #5)

Seventh-day Adventist

"God-breathed SCriptures"

I am disappointed that you are having a problem. You can always email me so that I can provide it to you that way. You will find my email address at http://www.jwstudi es.com/contact_me. html As an Outine, I wrote: • “Inspiration”, which is a quality or a state of being, translates a Greek word meaning “God-breathed”. This Greek word is used only once in the Bible – at 2 Timothy 3:16 – and it is rarely used anywhere else. This means extreme care should be taken when drawing conclusions from that word. The “Scriptures” being referred to were the Hebrew writings that Timothy was familiar with as a youth. • The structure of the immediate passage shows that the focus is on the ability of Scripture to make Timothy “wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus”. The focus is not on the nature of the Scriptures. In keeping with this theme, the structure of the overall passage is: “I give you this charge: Preach the Word”. • A “canon” is a list of Scriptures. This means that a Scripture can exist without a Canon, but to exist a Canon requires Scriptures. Quoting a writing as “Scripture” does not mean there is a Canon. • As far as the 4th century Western and Eastern Churches were concerned, the list of Hebrew Scriptures was still not fixed or closed. • Jesus employed the Scriptures creatively in a variety of ways, making selections from several available versions. His most common usage was Pesher (“this is that”). • The New Testament writers made extensive use of non-canonical Hebrew texts • Claims are made that the very original writings were without any errors (inerrant). • All copies and translations contain errors, some accidental, some deliberate. • The process of influencing the original writers and authors by God is known as “inscripturation”. The copies and translations, such as used by Jesus and by Timothy, are known as “inspired”. The former had no errors but this cannot be said of the latter. • Although it is claimed that the copies and translations are nearly the same as the originals, this cannot be verified. Several experts in “textual criticism” have declared that it is impossible to arrive at the original text, and have given up trying to find it. • To prove from the Bible that it is from God is purely circular reasoning. • The Church took several centuries to create the Bible. Even then, complete agreement on the list of writings has never been achieved. • Understanding the Bible that the Church created requires an understanding of the Church’s early history. It was a slow process that took several centuries. But the Church continued to operate without the Bible. • Criteria for including a Scripture in a Canon were Apostolicity, Catholicity, Orthodoxy, and Traditional usage. This means that their beliefs determined which writings would be canonised. The Church came before the Bible did. • Jerusalem and Antioch were honoured as the Mother Church but they held no authoritative position.  (Saturday Aug 2 | post #3)

Jehovah's Witness

Why is it that JWs rarely start a discussion of their bel...

Beliefs and doctrines are of little consequence to JWs. What matters is obedience to the Governing Body. Change in doctrine has to be accepted by JWs, apart from unquestioning allegiance to the vagaries of the leadership. Topics such as the Trinity, Cross, and Kingdom are a means to an end - keep the sheep from wandering. They thus have a God who will destroy them because of their attitude to the Governing Body. JWs have a Governing Body who will separate them from their loved ones if they dare question, whether in secret or openly. In other words, they dare not question or open discussions because they fear. Doug  (Thursday Jul 31 | post #25)

Jehovah's Witness

How Long ?

The cry that the "end" will be "soon" has been going for thousands of years. Consider the expectations of the Essenes, Jesus ("this generation"), Paul (1 Thess 4), and the writer of Revelation (22:12). This will continue as long as people do not learn the lesson that history teaches. Doug  (Sunday Jul 27 | post #5)

Jehovah's Witness

Jesus' "Invisible" Presence Began in 1874......Said in 1925!

1874 was the date of the Parousia, to be followed by 40 years of the Time of Trouble. That would conclude in 1914 with the outbreak of peace, when men will leran to be still, and God's kingdom on earth would be ruled by the Zionists. Hence the magazine's name: "Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence". They anticipated that they would be translated and "go to heaven" in 1910. Doug  (Sunday Jul 27 | post #30)

Seventh-day Adventist

"God-breathed SCriptures"

Hi, My Study responds to the articles “Inspiration” and “Canon” in the book, Insight on the Scriptures. There can be few topics of more significance, regardless of one’s attitude to the Bible. Although this is directed towards articles in a JW book, it raises issues that transcend denominations. http://www.jwstudi es.com/God-breathe d_Scriptures.pdf Doug  (Jul 8, 2014 | post #1)

Jehovah's Witness

"God-breathed Scriptures"

Hi, My Study responds to the articles “Inspiration” and “Canon” in the book, "Insight on the Scriptures". There can be few topics of more significance, regardless of one’s attitude to the Bible. http://www.jwstudi es.com/God-breathe d_Scriptures.pdf Doug  (Jul 8, 2014 | post #1)

Jehovah's Witness

I know this sounds gross, but ...

There is a medical procedure known as: fecal microbiota transplantation (or transfusion). Has the Watchtower Society identified whether blood is possibly transfused through this process? If it has, what is its verdict? If it has not investigated this medical procedure, why hasn't it? Was James, he of "First Century Governing Body" fame, aware of this medical procedure, just as he was aware of the medical transfusion of parts of blood? Doug  (Jun 18, 2014 | post #1)

Jehovah's Witness

“The Bible - A Remarkable Story of Survival”

The Watchtower magazine of November 1, 2009 includes the article: “The Bible - A Remarkable Story of Survival”. For support, the article quotes three sources. Does the Watchtower provide its readers with balanced information? Does the Watchtower provide a full and frank account of each source that it holds up as evidence? http://www.jwstudi es.com/Survival_of _the_Bible.pdf Doug  (Jun 9, 2014 | post #1)

Seventh-day Adventist

WHO REMOVED ALL THOSE BIBLE VErSES?

Exactly where is my post historically or factually inaccurate? No one knows exactly how the Jews determined their Canon; the idea of a Council at Jamnia has been discounted. The earliest MT (Hebrew) text is about 1000 years old. The various Greek OT (LXX) were based on Hebrew texts that are different to the MT, but they are no longer available. A range of versions of the LXX was used by the Dead Sea communities. In addition are versions by people such as Theodotion. And I presume you are aware of Origen's Hexapla. Have you ever seen the list in a Tanakh? The decision on which writings to condider as Christian Scriptures took several centuries of argument and discussion, and still there has never been a united agreement. Consider the Coptic and Orthodox Canons. Have you seen the list of books (Canon) in the earliest codices? I think you might find some interesting books included. What do you think of the list in the Muratorian Fragment? What date do you give to it. Your use of "your" instead of "you're" makes me wonder. There is no way you can prove that the Bible is "Word of God", because that evidence would have to come after it was assembled. No God has never bothered to protect it from deliberate or accidental changes. Doug  (May 30, 2014 | post #8)

Jehovah's Witness

JW DO NOT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE here's why .

If that's your opinion, stick to it. Doug  (May 28, 2014 | post #205)

Jehovah's Witness

JW DO NOT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE here's why .

Work out who the people were that decided which writings would be considered to be "Scripture ". Then determine what their beliefs were. These determined which writings they would accept. Their beliefs determined what was Scripture, not the other way around. Consider, for example the role that the Trinitarian Athanasius played in the selection of Scripture and which of the many writings should be rejected. Doug  (May 28, 2014 | post #189)

Jehovah's Witness

WHAT is the 'Trinity'? Thge Ultimate Nonsense.

Yes, one should say that "God's Word" is important. Where is it? How do you know? Doug  (May 27, 2014 | post #21)

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