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Who put the bible physical together

Only the Isaiah scroll from the Dead Sea community resembles other available Greek texts. Other scrolls, such as the Habakkuk scrolls are quite different. The DSS are of course from the LXX (Greek) tradition, not from the Hebrew (MT). There is a wide range of Greek OT texts as well as differences between the Greek and Hebrew texts. Look, for example at the LXX and MT versions of Jeremiah. If you are genuinely interested in the canonisation process, I prepared as Study which is available at: http://www.jwstudi es.com/Why_Does_WT S_Accept_Christend oms_Scriptures.pdf You might also find this Study also of interest: http://www.jwstudi es.com/God-breathe d_Scriptures.pdf Doug  (Tuesday Apr 28 | post #6)

Jehovah's Witness

Did God send...HIMSELF?

Hi Mad, I have been otherwise occupied. I see that you have an answer that satisfies yourself and it is vital that you hold to a position that you genuinely believe in. I do not agree with everything you wrote, but what should be surprising about that! No two people on this planet, past or present, have identical beliefs or understandings. Also, my own positions constantly grow and develop. They are not fixed in concrete or buried in a coffin. My thoughts are dynamic. I wish you well in your endeavours. For the record, I do not believe the Bible to be the word of God. The collections of scriptures (and there is a variety of lists) were assembled by humans who argued for centuries. It just so happens that the sect with allegiance to Paul won the day, with the help of Roman emperors (who also forced the Trinity doctrine - Theodosius). I do not believe that Jesus pre-existed. To me that is incomprehensible, hence my questions. Hence my answer to your question - God did not send himself. Jesus was a human. Doug  (Monday Apr 27 | post #34)

Jehovah's Witness

Did God send...HIMSELF?

Thank you "Mad", So you are saying that the previous spirit being ceased to exist but that Jesus pre-existed? I did not say "Three Gods". I simply said that a God did not send himself. Paul might have died but that does not prove he was telling the truth. He said he did not get his ideas from any man so they must have been the product of his imagination. People are today blowing themselves up because of their religious convictions but that of itself does not prove their convictions are true. Doug  (Sunday Apr 19 | post #12)

Jehovah's Witness

Did God send...HIMSELF?

Mad, Now you can answer my questions. Doug  (Saturday Apr 18 | post #9)

Jehovah's Witness

Did God send...HIMSELF?

The answer is "No". Doug  (Saturday Apr 18 | post #8)

Jehovah's Witness

Earlier date when "great crowd/multitude" first called "J...

Unlike “The Fonz”, I can and do get things wrong. In my recent Study, “The Great Crowd before 1935 and Since”, I incorrectly stated that the name “Jehovah’s witnesses” was first extended to the “other sheep” class in 1948. After trawling through more source material, I now believe this took place in 1946. I have amended my study accordingly. See pages 18 and 19 of the Study at: http://www.jwstudi es.com/The_Great_C rowd_before_1935_a nd_since.pdf The amended text is provided below. Doug =========== Whenever the Watchtower Society says that the name “Jehovah’s witnesses” originated in 1931, it does not explicitly state that this referred exclusively to the Anointed, those of the “little flock”. Nor does it trumpet the particular moment when the name “Jehovah’s witnesses” was first extended to the great multitude (crowd). Without fanfare, the name “Jehovah’s witnesses” was first applied to the “other sheep” in The Watchtower magazine of January 15, 1946. "Not all the above-reported number of Jehovah’s witnesses are members of the remnant of Zion’s spiritual children. The vast majority of the number of active Jehovah’s witnesses reporting in 1945 was made up of consecrated persons of good-will, the Lord’s 'other sheep'”. (The Watchtower announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom, January 15, 1946, page 22) This was not followed up in immediately subsequent issues of The Watchtower, although it was explained that in 1931 only the “remnant” were given the name “Jehovah’s witnesses”. "… the summer of 1931. Then at the time … the remnant of the ‘‘little flock” declared themselves to the world as being 'Jehovah’s witnesses'”. (The Watchtower announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom, May 15, 1946, page 156) "It was the remnant of consecrated Christians who obeyed the word of the Greater Cyrus, Christ Jesus, and who are today known the world over as 'Jehovah’s witnesses'”. (The Watchtower announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom, July 15, 1946, page 214) The 1946 book "Let God Be True" ascribed the name “Jehovah’s witnesses” to the “great multitude”: "An unnumbered multitude of faithful persons now working as Jehovah’s witnesses." (Let God Be True, page 223 (1946). Page 231 of the 1952 edition amends “multitude” to “crowd”) "They do not expect to go to heaven. They have been promised life everlasting upon earth. … They, as Jehovah’s witnesses. …" (Let God Be True, page 223 (1946). Page 231 of the 1952 edition amends “life everlasting upon” to “everlasting life on”) "Jonadabs are Jehovah’s witnesses, even though they are not of the remnant of the 'body of Christ'”. (Let God Be True, page 223 (1946). For some reason, page 231 of the 1952 edition omits “Jehovah’s”.) "His 'other sheep' or Jonadabs, too, are Jehovah’s witnesses." (Let God Be True, page 223 (1946). Page 232 of the 1952 edition.)  (Monday Apr 13 | post #1)

Jehovah's Witness

The "great crowd" before 1935 and since

I am gobsmacked! How could "nation versus nation and kingdom versus kingdom" equate to a global conflict? Not that the ancients had any concept of a globe of nations. All that statement of itself says is that nations and kingdoms will fight. Nothing new about that. But anything can be made of a phrase that is without its context. So let's plug it in: Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. … All these are the beginning of birth pains. Jesus is telling his followers to watch out for deceivers coming in his name. In that context, Jesus says they will hear about wars - apparently from these Christs - and they must not be alarmed by that because these things are happening in the normal course of events because kingdoms and nations fight. In any case these are not the signs of the end, of death, but they are at the very beginning of life. He is warning them to watch for deceivers and they were not to watch out for wars. We live in the most peaceful time of history. Likewise, in the series of parables, he repeatedly says that the Coming will take place unannounced, as a thief, and life will be going on as normally, as it was in Noah's day. Relax, and enjoy life. These paranoid statements engender fear and apprehension in people. I am completely aware that the world will end soon, likely within 10 to 20 years. I am absoltely certain. How do I know? Because I am 74 years old. Doug  (Friday Apr 10 | post #17)

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"How many mistakes in one paragraph?"

Does the following paragraph on page 22 of the June 15, 2015 Watchtower magazine provide an accurate assessment of Charles Taze Russell? Does this paragraph contain mistakes and omissions? “When the time approached for God’s Kingdom in the hands of Jesus to start ruling from heaven, Jehovah helped his people to understand the timing of events. In 1876, an article written by Charles Taze Russell was published in the magazine Bible Examiner. That article, ‘Gentile Times: When Do They End?,’ pointed to 1914 as a significant year. The article linked the ‘seven times’ of Daniel’s prophecy with ‘the appointed times of the nations’ spoken of by Jesus.—Dan. 4:16; Luke 21:24.” My response is at: http://www.jwstudi es.com/How_Many_Mi stakes_in_one_Para graph.pdf Doug  (Thursday Apr 9 | post #1)

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Who are the 144,000 mention in the bible

They were to be people who would be on earth at the time of great terrors upon the earth. They would be sealed in order to protect them from the "wrath of God" and from the "locusts ". If the 144,000 were in heaven, they would not need protecting. "They called to the mountains and the rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?' After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 'Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.' ” (Rev. 6:16-17:3, NIV) "Locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads." (Rev. 9:3-4, NIV) A seal was placed on a scroll to indicate ownership, authorisation, etc. Similar to the blood on the door posts at the inauguration of the Passover. Doug  (Wednesday Apr 8 | post #8)

Jehovah's Witness

The "great crowd" before 1935 and since

Well, that's what the writer(s) of Revelation said. Unlike the angels who did defile themselves with women (as per Genesis) these guys will not. Revelation is a patchwork of OT passages; Luther said it should never have been accepted into the canon of Scripture, and indeed it was rejected by many before it scraped in - with the competing eschatological treatises finally being excluded. Revelation has no Gospel message or narrative; it is often described as a Jewish apocalypse written by an extremist what had been disturbed at the "impure" behaviour in the assemblies at the nearby seven cities he was writing this scroll to - such as using coins which showed the emperors head. A disturbed man. This most dangerous book of Revelation has wrought great damage throughout history as people of each generation attempt to envisage its bizarre descriptions to their own times - even though the original writer was addressing his own local communities and times. Get over it - and put Revelation away in a locked box. Doug  (Wednesday Apr 8 | post #12)

Jehovah's Witness

The "great crowd" before 1935 and since

They are sealed in order to protect them during the happenings on earth (Rev 6:17; 7:3 and 9:3-4). That means they are on earth - and at the time of the great distress upon the earth, not before. Meanwhile a great crowd who were martyred serve in God's temple before his throne. The WTS has got it upside-down. Doug  (Tuesday Apr 7 | post #10)

Jehovah's Witness

The "great crowd" before 1935 and since

LC, Why do you start with 1914? How did you arrive at that date? Doug  (Tuesday Apr 7 | post #6)

Jehovah's Witness

The "great crowd" before 1935 and since

To me, these quotations from The Watchtower magazines show them making things up on the run - thought bubbles. It is a pattern that continues to this day, where one thought bubble creates an unintended consequence that has to be patched up, all under the guise of "added light". Doug  (Monday Apr 6 | post #3)

Jehovah's Witness

The "great crowd" before 1935 and since

What was the seismic shift in thinking that Rutherford required when he created the “great multitude” in 1935? When did the “great multitude”, or the “great crowd” as it is now known, become “Jehovah’s witnesses”? http://www.jwstudi es.com/The_Great_C rowd_before_1935_a nd_since.pdf Doug  (Monday Apr 6 | post #1)

Seventh-day Adventist

PROOF Paul kept the Feast Days & werent NOT abolished aft...

Why should anyone be interested in Paul's opinions? Doug  (Apr 3, 2015 | post #5)

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