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Gay/Lesbian

Ten-year-old Won't Recite Pledge Until Gays Can Marry

I see many people such as yourself who like to put the "behavior " spin on this issue. This puzzles me for several reasons. If being gay or even straight is just a behavior then what am I (or you for that matter) when we are not having sex? Am I only a homosexual when I am having sex? Is a criminal no longer a criminal when they are in jail and no longer breaking the law? Is a person only a Christian or a Jew when they are in church or temple or praying? Is your husband or wife no longer heterosexual when they are too tired for sex or have a headache? The whole "behavior " gambit sounds good on paper but it falls apart if it is examined critically and thoroughly. Spin again  (3 hrs ago | post #3111)

Gay/Lesbian

Ten-year-old Won't Recite Pledge Until Gays Can Marry

It doesn't take a law degree to understand that the genesis in this could be considered the Hawaii State Supreme Court ruling that declared gays and lesbians were NOT being given equal protection under the law in marriage. The Hawaii State Constitution (and the section they used for this decision) was word for word what is also written in the first section of Amendment 14 in our U.S. Constitution. I have never claimed to be a legal eagle. To demand that anyone not base there beliefs and opinions on personal experience (you refer to that as personal bias) and the research they have done is unrealistic. The fact remains that until the Hawaii decision, there was no legal definition in this country that stated marriage was between a man and a woman. Had that been the case it is unlikely that this would even be an issue. Gays and lesbians would have had an even more difficult job in proving that the laws were not being enforced equally, yet we have been able to show that the laws at the time were not being enforced on an equal basis to adult U.S. Couples who happened to be gay or lesbian. My opinion of you hasn't improved. But I am fairly certain that many who may come to read these posts will see the reasoning and logic behind what I say and they will continue to reject your personal bias in more and more numbers.  (3 hrs ago | post #3110)

Gay/Lesbian

The messengers of God can't get arrested in this town

Since I was raised Presbyterian, how about if we pass laws that only recognized marriages performed in Presbyterian Churches? Isn't it nearly the same as passing a law that says the marriages of two adults in one church get legal standing but not the marriages of two adult U.S. Citizens from say, the MCC, The UU's The United Church of Christ or the many other Christian Churches that now grant same sex marriages? Be careful America. When people like happilycelibateinc hrist and Hesed get to start voting on your civil rightsand getting everyone to believe they are doing nothing wrong, they may not stop with just voting away the civil rights of GLBT people. You could be next.  (23 hrs ago | post #48)

Gay/Lesbian

The messengers of God can't get arrested in this town

I read between the lines: -No Christians are trying to oppress, control, or torment you. -And if you want to live in a country where Christians are not allowed to use their voting power, move to Iran.[/  (23 hrs ago | post #47)

Gay/Lesbian

The messengers of God can't get arrested in this town

wait, let me see if I'm following this correctly. -Everytime gays call Christians Bigots, homophobes, or defame us by saying we spread hate instead of the message of God's love, you are telling us what we can and can't preach. - By expressing an opinion I am persecuting no one. -Again, your arguments are another excuse OK I'm clear now  (23 hrs ago | post #46)

Gay/Lesbian

Ten-year-old Won't Recite Pledge Until Gays Can Marry

again you twist what others wrote. They didn't say "ONLY straight men visit cruise parks" they said many or most of the men doing this are staright. We know from your own posts you were a former tea room queen. BTW I never cruised public restrooms or had sex in one.  (Yesterday | post #3033)

Gay/Lesbian

Ten-year-old Won't Recite Pledge Until Gays Can Marry

no wonder people are afraid of us in public parks. a weirdo like you scoping out "cruise parks" at 4 A.M.?  (Yesterday | post #3029)

Gay/Lesbian

Ten-year-old Won't Recite Pledge Until Gays Can Marry

only 31 States have "defense of marriage" laws. And both James Madison and Thomas Jefferson helped enact the U.S. Constitution which states: Article IV Section 1. Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof. Section 2. The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states. Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; I have read the U.S. Constitution many times. And it is my belief that the neocon plan to subvert it will backfire. That the efforts of the 'religious right' to deny GLBT Citizens of our constitutional protections will disaffect more and more people from their ranks. But answer three simple questions. Why should one church's version of two adults becoming married take legal precedence over that of another church's? Doesn't that set up an even more frightening slippery slope in your mind than the claims currently being bandied about regarding Same Sex marriage? If laws can be voted on about civil rights, who's civil rights are truly secure?  (Yesterday | post #3028)

Gay/Lesbian

Texas kid beaten with metal pole, entirely preventable

Why would anyone attempt to debate you about something they know you will simply say is wrong? You have "refuted " very little on these forums. Read what you wrote here: When you want to debate a point I will refute, otherwise I don't see the point. If you don't see the point in being on here, why do you come? Vanity? Boredom? It certainly isn't to "spread the good news" about Christ. Now why do I respond to you? Because I find you amusing and very easy to dismantle. And I know that by giving you just enough attention, you will demonstrate to millions of people the pride and hypocrisy so common in your circles. You are the Archie Bunker of the gay boards. No wait, Archie evolved over the years. You simply repeat the same tired script year after year.  (Yesterday | post #438)

Gay/Lesbian

Texas kid beaten with metal pole, entirely preventable

That sound you may be hearing outside is thunderous applause, laughter and cheers. Namaste  (Yesterday | post #437)

Gay/Lesbian

Family Values: Tolerance

I agree with you on several points. That you are trying to have an honest discussion. Not debate but discussion. That many of us express opinion as fact. And that religious people have a right to believe as they see fit, according to their religion. For myself, I get very tired of people who use the idea that religion and one's sexuality are somehow in conflict if one is GLBT. For myself, I am not trying to interfere in anyone's practice of their religious views, even many people who I find very repugnant. What bothers me in this area the most is that many people fail to see that when they insist that the law echo their religious view on marriage, they are trampling MY religious rights and those of many other U.S. Citizens, yet they seem to be OK with that. They are supporting religious preference by the government. Yet these same folks will then turn around and moan and groan about how mistreated THEY are because of their religious views. I hope we can discuss more issues in greater depth and in a civil manner.  (Yesterday | post #63)

Gay/Lesbian

Family Values: Tolerance

And Courts are charged with being the body to interpret the law and also have judicial review of laws. Odd that when speaking of courts, you usually have your panties in a knot screaming about activist judges. Yet you are real quick to run to them asking for protection and special rights when it comes to obeying campaign finance laws. But I do agree with you on one thing. The Christians I know don't oppress me or even try to. They offer me Christian love and compassion. However the christians I know like you for example do everything they can to protect their power and oppress anyone who speaks against them. G'nite Ciaphas  (Yesterday | post #62)

Gay/Lesbian

Family Values: Tolerance

Spin again. SSM or GLBT civil rights does not deny anyone of expressing or practicing their religious views. You are still free to condemn us, preach against us, and even discriminate against us, much like a criminal is still free to do whatever he wants. No one is denying him his right to behave as he wants. But at least most criminals understand that if they are CAUGHT they face unpleasant consequences. Seems to me that what you want is to be able to act with impunity toward whatever group is the "sinner d'jour" and never face the consequences of your actions. In fact, you want everyone else to PRAISE you for being so mean-spirited.  (Yesterday | post #61)

Gay/Lesbian

Burke lauded for support of gay son

you're Canadian so perhaps you don't know what it says in Our Constitution. However in your country the law DOES say men marrying men or women marrying women IS a basic right. Are you taking too many head shots on that hockey forum?  (Yesterday | post #137)

Gay/Lesbian

Burke lauded for support of gay son

hockey forum? This is what I logged onto. http://www.topix.n et/news/gay/2009/1 1/burke-lauded-for -support-of-gay-so n/p2?threadid=9S7R 7IO0N51ISC8J  (Yesterday | post #136)