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Evolution Debate

Should evolution be taught in high school?

So, 2 questions. 1. Why are you asking 'evolutionists' questions about gravity and astronomy? 2. If you have some kind of evidence that causes a massive fundamental change in our understanding of gravity, why would you be discussing it here of all places? Why aren't you in Stockholm accepting a Nobel Prize?  (Monday Apr 14 | post #173194)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

Ah, thank you for volunteering an example of what I am talking about. Nothing in science is 100% right. Not one principle in science has every been proven, ever. There is always the possibility that tomorrow new evidence can emerge that can completely overturn anything we know today to be true, so what you are saying has no relevance and can equally apply to the Theory of Gravity, Germ Theory or anything else. Theory is as good as it gets in science. It is called Evolutionary Theory because it is backed by the evidence. This is why we get frustrated, because the arguments presented are based more on basic misunderstandings then actual criticism of Evolution. Would it really be that much of a hardship to read an actual book on Evolution, instead of just cribbing arguments from websites? If you were going to do a critique on Hamlet, wouldn't part of your research include reading Hamlet itself?  (Monday Apr 14 | post #111264)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

To be fair, if there was a show called Might Morphin Power Tiktaaliks, I would probably watch it.  (Monday Apr 14 | post #111263)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

Except there aren't a lot of scientists who choose not to believe in Evolution. For one thing, the level acceptance among scientists (especially those in fields like Biology) is estimated to be about 98% or so. There are more scientists named Steve that accept Evolution then there are scientists by any name who reject or doubt it. Secondly, acceptance of Evolution really isn't about choice. If a scientist really looks at the evidence (which is available for anyone to evaluate) objectively and without preconceptions just using their training in science, concluding Evolution is valid is pretty inevitable. Think of it this way, the supporters of Evolution come from a wide variety of religious beliefs, political affiliations, cultures, philosophies, etc. The opponents of Evolution predominantly come from very specific religious beliefs, beliefs that if taken literally would be in conflict with Evolution (as well as astronomy, physics, chemistry et al.). That fact alone would indicate that those that oppose Evolution do so due to religious beliefs or preconceptions that has nothing to do with Evolution, while those that support it were able to set aside their preconceptions and evaluate the evidence on its merits. The 'holes' in evolution aren't holes in the theory but rather holes in the understanding of evolution being exploited by those who oppose it. Wiki has an entire article just on those (https://en.wikipe dia.org/wiki/Objec tions_to_evolution ). Just about every objection to evolution that exists is due to some misunderstanding of science, of theories, of how evidence works, how observation works, and so on. There are certainly disagreements among scientists about certain elements of Evolution and how they work, but to put it in perspective there is more disagreement and uncertainty and holes in the Theory of Gravity then there are in the Theory of Evolution. Now, to us lay people, that seems counter intuitive as it is easier for us to understand the basic idea of gravity. But the Theory of Gravity deals with much more than simply masses exerting a pull on each other. They are looking at how gravity is generated, how it interacts with other forces like electromagnetism, how it affected the very early universe right after the Big Bang, how it works within supermassive objects like black holes, how it affects light despite light having no mass, etc. We may not now everything about Evolution, but we know a hell of a lot more about it then gravity.  (Monday Apr 14 | post #111262)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

It's not that we are invested in Evolution being right, but we are passionate about science and education in general. We defend Evolution because that is what is being attacked. If Gravity was being attacked, we'd be defending that with equal conviction and we'd be called Gravitationists or something equally creative. If Evolution was legitimately scientifically disproved tomorrow, our lives would continue unaltered. These arguments would continue though because if that happened, the theory that replaced it would also naturalistic, mechanistic and secular. And that is the part people really seem to have a problem with. Which tells me that Evolution is not what they are upset about, but science in general.  (Monday Apr 14 | post #111261)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

No scientific theory is ever proven, so not sure what your point is.  (Monday Apr 14 | post #111219)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

So why do so many scientists support it? Are they part of some massive conspiracy?  (Monday Apr 14 | post #111218)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

1. Books on Evolution were actually on the banned/burn list for the Nazis, so it is highly unlikely that Hitler was using Darwin as the basis for Aryan superiority while simultaneously having his books burned. 2. There is nothing in the Theory of Evolution that supports Aryan superiority, white supremacy or eugenics as philosophies. 3. The phrase Survival of the Fittest was an oversimplified way to explain Natural Selection. It never meant kill the lower races or anything remotely similar. 4. Evolution, like any scientific theory, does not promote political, philosophical or economic ideas. It is merely an explanation for what is seen in nature. Nothing more. 5. Even if the Nazis, through some kind of massive misunderstanding of the theory, used Evolution as support for their ideology, that has no bearing on whether or not the Theory of Evolution is accurate.  (Monday Apr 14 | post #111217)

Evolution Debate

The gradual anti-Darwin revolution

Also Darwin has been dead for over a century so it's not like he is putting up much of a fight.  (Sunday Apr 13 | post #5)

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Intelligent Design and the Multiverse

I definitely think the 'hostility' attributed to some scientists at the possibility of the universe (or multiverse) being designed or any religious/supernatural concepts existing at all is greatly exaggerated. They are hostile to religious or supernatural beliefs interfering with or replacing honest scientific endeavors and that seems to be misinterpreted as a hostility to all religious beliefs. Now there are individuals like Dawkins who do exhibit greater antipathy towards religion and that is his personal, philosophical beliefs. They don't reflect other scientists or science in general.  (Sunday Apr 13 | post #2)

Evolution Debate

Should evolution be taught in high school?

But you didn't give a response, you provided an opinion. It says Evolution Debate right at the top of the page so the reason any of us are here is to partake in a debate. Simply saying you think someone is wrong in a debate forum without explaining why is pretty pointless. The person you replied to made several points about the nature of science and scientists. Which points were wrong? How are they wrong? If you aren't willing to make the barest minimal effort to develop the discussion and move it along it would be better to simply not post at all.  (Sunday Apr 13 | post #173129)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

Now, cite from any actual text or book on Evolution an explanation of what Evolution is that is analogous to what you just described. Cite your source.  (Sunday Apr 13 | post #111160)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

So you would be OK if Evolution was replaced by a different scientific, mechanistic, naturalistic theory that explained the diversity of life on Earth?  (Sunday Apr 13 | post #111159)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

So you reject science? While on a computer?  (Saturday Apr 12 | post #111140)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

If Evolution is not just wrong, but so obviously wrong that its wrongness can be explained by a blog or pamphlet, why do so many scientists from different countries, different cultures, different political affiliations, different philosophies and different religious support it?  (Saturday Apr 12 | post #111139)

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