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Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

I think this paragraph, the introduction to a book review (for which I was never paid) in a Canadian newspaper some 10 or so years ago, has received more attention and more repetition (especially on the Internet) than anything else I have ever written. More even than my claim that morality is an illusion put in place by the genes to make us social animals. No matter that I qualified it then and have qualified it before and ever since. "Ruse recants! Evolution is a religion! Read all about it!" Or more accurately, don't read all about it, because then you might find that that is not quite all that I had to say." [Michael Ruse]  (Wednesday Aug 20 | post #120474)

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Should evolution be taught in high school?

Nothing said here matters, so why would any of us be concerned? No school or business or university or government is going to make any changes based on an internet forum argument. Let us take a moment and pretend anything you say has any truth or relevance and that you could actually undermine anything that we support scientifically. If that were so you wouldn't be here wasting your time arguing anonymously on an internet forum. Whatever your irrational beliefs about corruption and conspiracies, if you had anything that could be verified, anything that could be supported by evidence, anything that would be remotely convincing, you would be out in the world showing it to people. But you aren't. You want to talk about being afraid? Here is my challenge to you. Put up or shut up. Get up from your computer and actually venture into the world and convince someone, anyone, that anything you have to say is valid. Stop crying about how mean and corrupt the big bad world is and freaking do something about it. Until you do that, nothing you say here matters and you basically proven that everything you type here is irrelevant and safe to ignore. Go out, prove us wrong, and stop wasting our freaking time.  (Wednesday Aug 20 | post #176953)

Evolution Debate

Should evolution be taught in high school?

So something is only obscure or not obscure based only on whether you are aware of it or not?  (Tuesday Aug 19 | post #176926)

Evolution Debate

Should evolution be taught in high school?

One glass of wine is healthy, therefore 5 glasses is 5x as healthy. Right?  (Tuesday Aug 19 | post #176925)

Evolution Debate

Should evolution be taught in high school?

If even 1% of what you have claimed over the years you have been here was true, you would not be wasting your time arguing on Topix. Why are you not on a plane to Stockholm?  (Monday Aug 18 | post #176895)

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The Satanic Character of Social Darwinism

Hard to beleaf, no?  (Monday Aug 18 | post #102)

Evolution Debate

can anyone explain to me why humans are the only sentient...

Because this isn't Star Trek or Marvel Comics where evolution has a particular destination or end game as determined by advanced beings with a knack for genetics. Here, evolution is not predetermined to emphasize intelligence or humanoid form. Canines did not need to stand upright to survive, and it would have been several steps to go from the standard canine form to one where standing upright would have been possible. Maybe in the future it will happen, maybe not. All living things did not evolve the way primates did because all living things face different environments, different evolutionary pressures and different mutations along the way.  (Sunday Aug 17 | post #59)

Evolution Debate

can anyone explain to me why humans are the only sentient...

on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.” ― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (Sunday Aug 17 | post #58)

Evolution Debate

The Satanic Character of Social Darwinism

When we are board we usually resort to planking.  (Sunday Aug 17 | post #95)

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Ann Coulter: Idiot

She once said Evolution is a liberal conspiracy. Quite the joker, she.  (Jul 9, 2014 | post #411)

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When Will Evolutionists Confess Their Atheistic Presuppos...

The minute branch known as physics, biology, chemistry and geology.  (Jul 9, 2014 | post #1149)

Evolution Debate

When Will Evolutionists Confess Their Atheistic Presuppos...

So when science and your specific, personal interpretation of the Bible are in conflict we are supposed to reject science? Do you agree with those Christians that do not allow any medicine?  (Jul 9, 2014 | post #1132)

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It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

That seems a bit contradictory in that in your first paragraph you are saying you don't know but then it seems that you do know. Part of the criticism of Creationism is that there is no science to teach. What is the mechanistic, naturalistic process of Creation? If we happened to be in the right place at the right time to witness a new species being Created, what would it look like, what would we observe? If you are saying that Creation has no mechanistic, naturalistic element, then it is, by definition, not scientific. As a personal belief that is fine, but if you want that to replace Evolution then we have a problemWe also generally don't observe erosion or mountain formation either, but we know they exist. The Earth is constantly changing around us in a scale that we have difficulty comprehending, so is it any surprise that life would be any differentIt is not an assumption it is an observation. The moment something supernatural becomes scientifically observable it is no longer supernatural. Earthquakes, lightning, volcanoes and other aspects of the natural world were once supernatural until they were understood. If aliens, ESP and vampires became scientifically verifiable they would cease to be supernatural as well. Absolutely it is possible that the natural laws of the universe are part of a grand design. That is not what science is meant to investigate. All science cares about is understanding how those natural laws work, that is all. It is a very specific tool to do a very specific jobWhile a nice sentiment, science is searching for specific truths, not all truths. Science can tell us how our emotions work but it cannot tell us how to lead fulfilling lives. Science can show us how to make the most productive and efficient society, but it can't tell us how to be good people. You cannot look at charts and graphs and find God, which is why faith is required in the first place. If God could be proven with a formula or a fossil there would be no need for faith. What more do I want? I want science to be allowed to do its job without interference. I want, within my lifetime for science to provide at least one major breakthrough: friendly AI, Faster Than Light speeds, fusion energy, a purely neural computer interface or peaceful contact with an extraterrestrial intelligence. A Windows platform that was at the very least slightly better than useless would be equally miraculous.  (Jul 8, 2014 | post #135043)

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It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution d...

So God created single celled organisms, then waited a bit, then created simple multicellular organisms, then waited a bit, then created slightly more complicated multicellular organisms, and so on and so forth? If that was the plan, to create things in such an order, it kinda makes sense that He would use some way for life to develop in that order using the natural laws He set up (like with everything else, like gravity). We could call that process of eventual development over time, I don't know, Evolution. Because the answer to your question, how do these things exist without God, is the same as how do they exist with God, they develop naturally. Everything we have seen in the universe operates within natural laws without any apparent supernatural intervention. Why should life be any different? Presumably you think humans are spiritual creatures yet we have naturalistic, mechanistic properties that operate within natural laws that can be scientifically studied, right? That is why we study medicine. So, if everything else in the universe operates under natural laws, whether you believe in God or not, why does the one specific question on the origin and diversity/developm ent of life have no naturalistic or mechanistic properties that science can study? Why, for this one specific question, we are forced to throw up our hands and give up all scientific inquiry?  (Jul 8, 2014 | post #134985)

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