Jan 28, 2007
And Arianne, that's almost the same thing the guide i pointed her to said. Yes I do feel responsible for her, and I also care about her. She's like family to me, has been there for me through some really rough times. and i understand if i've done what i can personally its out of my hands. i'm just i guess trying to find anything i may have missed we can use to help her keep it together. (Aug 4, 2012 | post #7)
Aremis, the guide I put her in contact with is the High Priest of the local coven. thus the concern. I'm not talking about mystery languages so much as what my circle's current theory holds to be residual memory. thus the linguist. also, perhaps i'm not explaining myself clearly enough. I'm not talking about mystery powers waving a wand and making someone's head explode. I'm talking about energy healing, aligning of chakras, tapping into one's core energy, perceptive reality, and personal empowerment. aka our personal involvement with current theory on quantum mechanics and the base state of reality. the girl is a christian-based belief system but is still interested in learning more. my concern is that she has already talked about trying to do energy healing on her significant other and with her being this new to it i am well aware of how tempting it is to adopt an attitude wherein you do what you want when you want because you can and anyone who tries to stop you or gets in your way is simply an obstacle to be removed. been there, done that, on MY path, and paid for it dearly. Now, I hope that clears things up a bit. As a segue, since when are religion and the paranormal seperate topics? Especially when you are talking about any pagan belief system, including Wicca. I hate to tell you this, but I haven't tried to train her at all, nor did most of the things take much work at all for either of us. This is mostly instinctive for me, and seems to be so for her as well. All I've really tried to do since the first night is explain some things that work for me and point her in the right direction to find the information available so she can make an informed decision about what is best for her. That and emphasize that she needs to slow down, because anything that touches on this does have a very real physical cost and consequences if not approached carefully. Even if it is, sometimes. Now I hope that makes more sense (Aug 4, 2012 | post #6)
Oh yeah, and no i don't know what that phrase it means. yes i know shouldn't do that but it felt right and i trust my intuition and instincts more than i do most people. there were others too. like "coriamo mi kahlia" which apparently is actually supposed to be "kahlia mi coriamo", still waiting to hear back from the linguist on that one. what my fear for the girl boils down to is that she wasn't ready for her Awakening and she'll do something. she's already talking about feeling really really empowered like literally nothing is impossible for her. i just want to make sure neither she nor anyone else gets hurt. (Jul 18, 2012 | post #2)
Ok, so. Shortest story in history (from me). A girl I know, well, may be headed for trouble and it may be partly my fault. We've talked many times about my beliefs, and one night 2-3 weeks ago, she started asking more detailed questions and talking about her own experiences. She is a very powerful person, lots of physical and spiritual energy, strong minded, etc. On the night in question, I out of curiosity threw out the phrase "ay'ish nocostarari stefyano". closest spelling i have to how it sounds. It apparently awoke something in her. I got her in touch with one of the people who have been a guide to me in my personal growth in an attempt to help her learn to harness it without losing control, and keep emphasizing that she needs to slow down. I've tried to explain the dangers, even given examples of people I've known over the years who tried to go too fast and paid the price. Now she won't communicate with the guide i put her in contact with because she's convinced he tried to draw from her and I'm 400 miles away. I've tried to do what I can over the phone but she doesn't trust easy, and there's only so much I can do without being face to face. Basically she trusts me but doesn't trust the guide. What my concern is is that she will continue growing too fast. I've heard of people having aneurysms due to pushing too hard with this stuff. Even making a person's heart explode (obviously they must have had a coronary defect already but still). I keep telling her to slow down, ground and center, calm herself. Hell, I've even taken her through some excercises over the phone, one being to visualize a flame and let it represent all her anxiety or fear or anger or whatever she's upset about and slowly let the flame go out. But still, dunno how much i can do over the phone and dunno if she'll ever be willing to go back to the guy i go to for guidance. Suggestions more than welcome (Jul 18, 2012 | post #1)
Natalia, I'm done with you. I've left an open invitation for you and "Anton" to travel out here and see what happens, and all that has happened is your continued pathetic ranting on this forum. You must be a sad, lonely little soul, and I pity you. For all your bluster and righteous indignation, all you have achieved is to have the hatred of some very decent people directed at you. Poor you. As for claiming that I am not a Marine, you are not worth the hatred that comment elicits from me. The invitation remains open, come to Tullahoma, Tennessee, and ask around where to find the Wimsatt guy who ran off and joined the Marine Corps. I'm fairly well known around here. Bring your imaginary husband, as well, and we might even be able to include you in that prize fight that you would pay to see. Until the day I see a big fat Russian waddling down the street towards me, however, I'm done with you. And so, I leave you with the warmest regards. May you find the mental therapy that you so desperately need. (Jan 11, 2008 | post #510)
Howdy peoples!! Did ya miss me? Happy holidays, btw. Just a little comment regarding Natalia's last post here, addresing a concern over insinuating that the only culture Americans value is our own. That's sorta interesting considering that the USA is, in word and action, the melting pot, in which a conglomeration of cultural values and ideas have been brought to equality. For example, while on active duty, one of my Marines was Wiccan, three were Christian, one was Shinto and another was Atheist. Out of those six warriors, four were Caucasian, one was African American, and the sixth was Asian American. All of them received equal respect, equal treatment, and were expected to keep the mission in mind above all else. And I'll tell ya, I would take a bullet for any of those six individuals. So, how are Americans not respectful of other cultures? (Dec 31, 2007 | post #501)
So, after doing a little bit of research, I've found some actual references to koldun. www.folklore.ee/fo lklore/vol9/koldun .htm Now then, Interested, since we seem to be determined to follow this same path of ambiguous threats and attempting to intimidate others, it is apparent to me, at least, where your "poor-me " condition stems from. with comments of "Forces you do not even comprehend", and "very serious energy" being directed at members here, obviously you have been harkening back to older traditions of attempting to frighten people into doing what you want them to do. Ain't gonna work. Pretty much every single person that comes here regularly is almost guaranteed to have dealt with worse than you could possibly deal out. The intimidation factor no longer works in today's age. Unless you want some random traveler to knock you out with a shovel, but then again, perhaps afterwards you can visit your wrath upon him/her. Get over yourself. Anyways, gotta get to work. Happy Holidays everybody! (Dec 18, 2007 | post #450)
do you really think I'm going to waste my time driving to Asheville just to kick your punk ass? please, I've got better uses for my time. That's why I gave you an invitation to come here. if you are so determined to be a tough guy, surely you would not pass up a chance to prove that YOU of course, are NOT a "geeky internet freak". if not, oh well, I could give a shit less. now then, if the posting of your height and weight is supposed to be an intimidation factor, you really should think again. 6'4" and 260 lbs is not really all that big. Especially after your tibia has been shattered by sufficient force applied at a perpendicular angle. To remain standing after that would be quite a feat, and quite easily remedied simply by applying a similar force directly to the patella. it would be interesting to see someone continue attempting to be a "tough guy" after their knee collapses. Interested, you're pathetic. What really strikes me as interesting is the manner in which you refer to me as a "geeky internet freak" when I haven't even touched a computer for anything but business in something like 3 or 4 months. However, I've noted that since june, you post here on a regular, almost obsessive, basis. Get a life you pathetic worm. Oh yeah, and next time you feel like responding to ANYthing I post here, at least respond to the full content of the message. It truly displays your limited cognitive abilities when you single out one particular segment of an argument and completely ignore the rest. As I said, pathetic. Oh yes, one last item. If you expect anyone with a properly functioning frontal lobe to believe that you are such a big, strong, macho man, and work in a health food store? if you've got so much time to go lift weights and shit, you really should think about trying to get a better job. unless your an illegal immigrant, which I would not find surprising. Either way, you really should consider getting your priorities in order. And with that, I bid you audieu good sir, and wish you well on your journey to meet that semi. (Dec 15, 2007 | post #404)
Now to Kcuph, I do have to say I have been surprised to learn of the circumstances that apparently led to these freakin morons targetting you. But it is a mistake I could see myself making as well, if for no other reason than compassion for such a loss. I do hope that although painful you've learned from this. And although I probably won't be around much for the foreseable future, I wish you well and extend my sympathies to the family that suffered this loss. It is definitely not easy losing a love one, and then to have private and personal information splashed on message boards like this can't make it any easier. To the rest of the crew, I'm still here, more or less, and will try to drop in from time to time. Hopefully next time will not require lambasting any idiots. Until then, may the fallen be with you, watch over you and guide you. Anyways, sleepy time. Adios! (Dec 14, 2007 | post #397)
Hello everyone, remember me? I'm back, at least for the moment!! Kethry, KCuph, Pharoah, Shine, Wulf, Colonial, and all, I dearly apologize for having been so long absent. Life has been...interesting ...lately, and haven't been online a whole lot. And now, to begin, I will state clearly that I have no knowledge of the falling-out on the Silent Sect site, nor do I need it. Things have been clearly explained in this thread. While somewhat disturbing, it is also apparent that the corps is still together. Isn't that shocking? (Yes, I am joking) As for you, Interested/Natalia , you sorely disappoint me. Where once had been forming respect, well, now I can only say there is utter contempt for your actions here. To use the death of a child in your attacks on one person? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOUR FRICKING HEAD? You do not, EVER, if you have anything even SLIGHTLY resembling a soul, use such a tragedy to attempt to justify attacking someone's character. To do so simply confirms common theory that you are an insipient piece of molting refuse. If those words are too big for you, it means you are frickin trash. Not to mention posting private communications on a public forum for all to see. To argue the philosophical view of any electronic communications not being private, well, don't even freakin try it. That's the reason official corporate and government emails by default have an attachment stating that "If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message immediately etc., etc." To draw private information out into public view is not only illegal as all freakin hell, but is reprehensible to the utmost degree. You obviously have nothing in the way of moral boundaries. Either that or you have no respect for any persons on this board. If the latter is the case, here's some advice: IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GET THE HELL OUT! You have completely disrespected, even on this thread only, every single person for whom I have developed a smidgeon of respect. Take some friendly advice and pull your head out of your ass. It's unsanitary, not to mention smelly. Oh, and Interested, your little comment about being in the Carolinas as well and extending an invitation to tell you what should be done about the total lack of common sense your wife has exhibited, let me extend to you this invite: come on over to Tennessee. I would love to stand eye-to-eye with you and see just how many of your freakin bones I can break before you pass out from blood loss. If that's not clear enough, lay off the stupid shit before somebody decides that enough is enough and repeatedly slams your head into a light pole. And with that, I bid au revoir for the evening, ladies and gents. Happy Holidays! (Dec 14, 2007 | post #396)
Tired. Things have not been too pleasant lately. I've had to pretty much devote everything I have to just making it through this period of time without breaking down, 's why haven't been on much lately. Biggest problem right now is moving on from everything that's been troubling me up to now. Definitely a challenge. Ghosts of the past don't seem to want to fade away easily. Anyways, bro, gotta run. Adios, mi amigo. (Sep 19, 2007 | post #5)
Allow me to retort. To embrace ignorance is utter foolishness. To allow your mind to be jailed within the cramped cages of conformity to archaic thoughts is foolishness. To limit yourself by claiming that any of your accomplishments or failures are the will of another is foolishness, as well as irresponsibility. In case you have chosen not to admit to this, and I do know several individuals who have, almost each and every thing that happens to you is a result of your thoughts, actions, or inactions, as the case may be. Granted there are some things that may be the result of others' actions, or simple confluence of events that we refer to as accidents. For example, consider any one of the accidents that are caused by drunk drivers every year. The work of some higher power, or a tragic convergence of two seperate series of events that are begun by choice? I know several people who used to have the unfortunate habit of driving while intoxicated, and none of them claimed to be guided to the vehicle. It was choice. Inebriated choice, but still choice. Likewise, have you ever met anyone who felt compelled to drive? Doubt it. I haven't. It is choice. Most if not all people get in the vehicle for a purpose, to go to work, to the store, or because it is a way that they relieve stress. Now then, doesn't that make sense? Have a nice day. (Sep 19, 2007 | post #3)
Shadowhawk, I'm trying not to let my temper show so just bear with me, k? You speak of the truth. Now then, that requires this question to be asked; who's version? Maybe the Frosts didn't really take into consideration with potential of this topic when they wrote the book. That's possible. It may have been that they did research and found references to similar practices and thought it would be best for the Wiccan community to at least know about them. I could understand that, the whole learn from our mistakes thing. But the point blank issue of it is, they promulgated an idea. A despicable idea, to be sure, but still an idea. Kind of like Hitler's idea that Aryans are the supreme race and all others should be subdued. Does that help clarify where I'm going with this? *Disclaimer*--I am not saying they should be physically harmed, but simply referring to the depth of seriousness with which we should approach this. So, in retrospect, maybe they didn't think it through thoroughly when they wrote the book, but when it comes down to it, wether intentionally or not, they are throwing the idea out there that these behaviors are ok, and it needs to be stopped. And that's all I've got to say about that. (And now I'm gonna get poked at for saying that we should inhibit some ideas and reference will be made to books bein banned, yadda yadda yadda) (Sep 6, 2007 | post #114)
no no no, I didn't mean that. I was just talking about your comments about the entire family suffering under the attacks on the Frosts. perhaps i could have said it better. what I was trying to say is I would think from a moral standpoint their children might support those assaulting this book, expecially if they have children of their own. I do apologize if it seemed like I was saying what apparently it seems...i...said..yeah. my head hurts, lol. (Sep 6, 2007 | post #113)
Ok, I've seen a lot of interesting arguments on this subject, and now I think I might post my thoughts. We have laws against contributing to underage use of chemical substances. Someone who gives alcohol or the means to obtain alcohol to a minor can be charged with that. This situation with the Frosts might be able to be viewed in a similar light. No, it may have not been proven that they themselves had engaged in sexual acts with children. However, their book clearly supports the idea. Would that not be considered contribution to the act? Scenario: An individual who has these tendencies lives a normal life, suppressing these urges because throughout his life he has been told that it is wrong. One day, he stumbles upon the Frosts' book and finds within it basically the idea that maybe it's not wrong after all. Afterwards, perhaps after a period of time, he engages in a sexual encounter with a child. Now then, can we honestly say that our ideas and views of the world are not influenced to some extent by the books which we read? I know that for myself personally, several of my core values didn't come from my upbringing whatsoever, but from books that I read. The IDEAS proposed in those books have been some of the defining forces in my life. By correlation, it could be well be that some of the child molestators out there have come to the conclusion that these acts aren't wrong, simply from reading a book, and seeing the IDEA. Now then, Kethry, this is awkward, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you partially here. Yes, accusations do affect the entire family in an average situation. However, this is not an average situation. The Frosts are old enough that their children probably have kids of their own. I personally doubt they support the Frosts' ideas, especially if they have kids of their own. It may seem cold, but I would think that they may be some of the strongest supporters of Mr. Drew, if this is the case, especially if they have seen some their parents' ideas taken to effect. anyways, just another view. (Sep 5, 2007 | post #106)
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