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Lunar Sabbath Debate Thread

These are just the writings of someone who lived in the era: Philo: The fourth commandment has reference to the sacred seventh day, that it may be passed in a sacred and holy manner. Now some states keep the holy festival only once in the month, counting from the new moon, as a day sacred to God; but the nation of Israel keep every seventh day regularly, after each interval of six days (following the new moon) And the fourth commandment, the one about the seventh day, we must not look upon in any other light than as a summary of all the laws relating to festivals...And in speaking of the seventh here, I mean both that which is combined with the number six, the most generative of all numbers, and also that which, without being combined with the number six, is added to it, being made to resemble the unit, each of which numbers is reckoned among the festivals; for the lawgiver refers to the term, the sacred festival of the new moon, which the people give notice of with trumpets, and the day of fasting, on which abstinence from all meats and drinks is enjoined, which the Hebrews call, in their native language, pascha, on which the whole nation sacrifices, each individual among them, not waiting for the priests, since on this occasion the law has given, for one especial day in every year, a priesthood to the whole nation, so that each private individual slays his own victim on this day. And also the day on which is offered the sheaf of corn, as an offering of gratitude for the fertility and productiveness of the plain, as exhibited in the fulness of the ears of corn. And the day of pentecost, which is numbered from this day by seven portions of seven days, in which it is the custom to offer up loaves, which are truly called the loaves of the first fruits, since, in fact, they are the first fruits of the productions and crops of eatable grain, which God has given to mankind, as the most tractable of all his creatures. But to the seventh day of the week he has assigned the greatest festivals, those of the longest duration, at the periods of the equinox both vernal and autumnal in each year; appointing two festivals for these two epochs, each lasting seven days; the one which takes place in the spring being for the perfection of what is being sown, and the one which falls in autumn being a feast of thanksgiving for the bringing home of all the fruits which the trees have produced. And seven days have very appropriately been appointed to the seventh month of each equinox, so that each month might receive an especial honour of one sacred day of festival, for the purpose of refreshing and cheering the mind with its holiday.  (May 16, 2016 | post #20)

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Lunar Sabbath Debate Thread

Are you trying to say that the New Moon instruction of Ezekiel 46:1 only applies to the first and seventh month? Even if that were the case, those festivals would still offset the 7th day sabbath, since a festival is not a work day, and everywhere the sabbath is spoken of, it requires 6 working days. In order to not contradict himself, God fits all holidays into perfect alignment with the lunar calendar, all feasts holidays and sabbaths occur on the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th and 30th We see this is true in 1 Samuel 20-21, where David goes missing for a 3 day sabbath, (29-1), why did he need to hide for 3 days? Why does he tell the priest the reason he is clean is because he hasn't touched women in a particular "these 3 days"?  (May 16, 2016 | post #19)

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Sabbath Views From a New Adventist

The hell are you talking about. People went to heaven in the Old Covenant, some while still alive, unless Elijah committed suicide walking into a tornado.  (May 16, 2016 | post #115)

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Sabbath Views From a New Adventist

And I don't know why you are trying to argue with LayWorker or Gerhard. These guys give such worthless arguments that they must be paid trolls to keep this forum alive. LayWorker tried to say that Isaiah 1:13-14 rejects new moon festivals, when it also rejects sabbath keeping all appointed times. Its like they aren't human, but are just google search bots that will auto-reply you with copy pasted verses somewhat similar to the subject.  (May 16, 2016 | post #113)

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Sabbath Views From a New Adventist

Your argument is non-sequitur, Jesus was quoting the Old Testament in verse 28-30. The Old Testament says its humble, gentle, yoke is easy, burden is light, gives rest to the weary, rest to the soul. (Numbers 12:3, Proverbs 3:17, Isaiah 28:1, Psalm 116:7) Look I don't agree with the SDA either, but you are just strengthening them with these patently lazy arguments. And that's one unfortunate by-product of Jesus' ministry, people too lazy to learn.  (May 16, 2016 | post #112)

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CAN Investigative Judgment be PROVEN

You know I came back here with the intent not to insult people, but........I'm really restraining myself here. Galatians 4:8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. Verse 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! Obviously he is talking about pagan holidays because he is speaking to pagans that didn't know God before conversion and are reverting back to paganism.  (May 16, 2016 | post #3640)

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MESSAGE to ALL who LEFT SDA CHURCH

Isaiah 1:13 New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations— 14 Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals Layworker, I understand now why you have a hard time discerning what 6 working days are.  (May 16, 2016 | post #390)

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Lunar Sabbath Debate Thread

You probably don't understand that New Moon means "No Moon at all", so yes there was "No Moon" to start the first week of creation. This is not a problem. What is a problem: Ezekiel 46:1 The gate of the inner court facing east is to be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day and on the day of the New Moon it is to be opened. The New Moon and Sabbath are not part of the 6 working days. The 6 day interval is that of working, the New Moon is separate from them. Saturday Onlyists reject God's instructions and call the New Moon part of the 6 working days. How is that an honest approach? You might as well not keep any sabbath at all.  (May 16, 2016 | post #14)

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Sabbath Views From a New Adventist

Of course it does: Ezekiel 46:1 The gate of the inner court facing east is to be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day and on the day of the New Moon it is to be opened. Notice "6 working days" and that the New Moon and Sabbath are separate from them. You can't keep an exclusively Saturday Sabbath without rejecting everything God has said on this matter.  (May 16, 2016 | post #110)

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Sabbath Views From a New Adventist

Gerhard, did you actually read your verses? Isaiah 1:13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations-- I cannot bear your worthless assemblies. By your logic of this passage, Sabbaths have no approval or recommendation.... Ezekiel 45:17 It will be the duty of the prince to provide the burnt offerings, grain offerings and drink offerings at the festivals, the New Moons and the Sabbaths--at all the appointed festivals of Israel. Your point is moot here, the New Moon is an appointed festival of Israel. Hosea 2:11 I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days--all her appointed festivals. ..... Galatians 4:10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! .... Ezekiel 8:16 --- what does this have to do with it? Job 15:12 so that you vent your rage against God and pour out such words from your mouth? hmmm, ok you got me there! lol  (May 16, 2016 | post #103)

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Sabbath Views From a New Adventist

The moon is for appointed times, like the 7th day Sabbath. If you would actually read the commandment, the sabbath occurs after 6 days of work, but the moon designates other days of non work, which would therefore not be within the 6 day working interval.  (May 16, 2016 | post #100)

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Sabbath Views From a New Adventist

Deuteronomy 30:11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. Boy Jesus sure resulted in a bunch of lazy ass people eh?  (May 15, 2016 | post #93)

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MESSAGE to ALL who LEFT SDA CHURCH

Gerhard; These speculations ignore the literal meaning of Second-First Sabbath, that the day itself was the Second-First, Jesus gives us the answer by citing David in 1 Samuel 20-21, of which the Hebrew is unique to the entire Old Testament and defines events taking place on the 2nd day of the New Moon Feast. The 2nd day of the New Moon Feast was the First Day of the Month, hence Second-First Sabbath. Its really that sublime.  (May 15, 2016 | post #388)

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The response I get when I request to be disfellowshipped ...

19th century, 1st century, whats the difference? Paul said those 1st century Thessalonians would be alive and caught up in the air. If that didn't happen he was a false prophet like Ellen White.  (May 15, 2016 | post #389)

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Lunar Sabbath Debate Thread

The bible calls the moon a light, whether it reflects it or not is irrelevant. You are commanded not to work on the New Moon days. 1 Samuel 20:24,27 contains Hebrew that is different from the entire Old Testament, it specifies that New Moon Feast lasted 2 days. Josephus on his commentary of 1 Sam 20 says the same (Antiquities book 6(236)) Remembering the commandment is to work 6 days, if you consider new moon sabbaths to be work days, you are already breaking the commandment.  (May 15, 2016 | post #12)