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YES-Jesus WAS once known as Michael

It's really funny to a high degree you would even say that, when the Bible writers would often say the word of God or the spirit of God utters, or to many phrases and words to that effect, hundreds and hundreds of times. They are conduits. Fresh words coming their way, for them to repeat or write down. How can it get any plainer than that? Rev. 1:1b and 2, "and he sent forth signs (he gave to his angel) and presented it in signs through him to his slave John....2) who bore witness to the word God gave, and to the witness Jesus Christ gave (witness to the Word that was given to him)..and as we see to pass on for others. Hope this at least makes my position clear.  (12 hrs ago | post #4521)

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Irrefutable reason why Jesus is Michael?

and sat down at the right hand of God.."so he has become better than the angels." Meaning he has done something to elevate himself as an angel to be above every other angel. Heb. 1:4 a. "to the extent he has inherited a better name than theirs." Heb. 1:4b, which inheritance only came at his victory over sin and death (which the angels are under, issue-wise for their salvation outcomes.); hence from being the same as an angel formerly, has now a better name than all of his fellow angels. Heb. 1:5, "for example, to which one of the angel's did he ever say: "You are my son; I, today, I have become your father?" Since all angels are "sons of God" Job 1:8, 38:7, this must mean 'son' in the sense of victory over Satan's accusation, sense. None of the other angels were asked to do that, but Jesus as angel was, so he is 'officially' a "son", now, in the conquered sense and mission sense. Why didn't he send another angel, SINCE, Heb. 1:7, "as he makes reference to the angels he says: "And he makes his angels spirits, and his public servants a flame of fire." IOW's they were capable of being like Jesus a public servant, but Jesus as one superior as an angel was chosen for a very special public service as a spirit angel. Hebrew 1:8 "But reference to the Son (victorious and only Son compared to the other 'mere' sons), "God is your throne, forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom...." So the Son as opposed to the other sons has a Kingdom, which they don't have and are not sanctioned nor worthy to have. But the angels are very happy for this....Heb. 1:9, because in reference to Jesus, "you loved righteousness and hated lawlessness (Satan's opposition). That is why God anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your partners." I see this as the angels being very supported and happy and in the act of bowing to this new victory. It has been suggested that the partners be those in the line preceding Jesus in kingship, but I don't see them as exulting until they have been resurrected, so at this time, feel the partners are his fellow angels, as Paul keeps on with the angel theme all throughout the chapter with the conclusion of the last two verses which are similar to verses 3,4, and 7. Just to add, there would be no reason for Paul to reference Jesus to angels if he was not, like a God. Why would one ever make God referenceable to a mere angel? It wouldn't make sense, and it could never be applied that way here.  (13 hrs ago | post #758)

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Irrefutable reason why Jesus is Michael?

Yes, Jesus actually died, and didn't exist for parts of three days. Jonah in the belly of the fish shows this a a precedent very well. He was the same yesterday, today and in the future, of course as it relates to what Paul was speaking of, conduct. Read Heb. 13:7. Classic example of someone putting their Trinigoggles on looking for 'support'. Tsk Tsk. And that one who has the keys of of death and Hades. Same keys and assignment for Rev. 9: 1, 11, 20:1, for our, "king". Lurkers, you don't have to follow Dee and her men who find words for her. You can read the Bible by what the FD&S says and read along or you can read what I am giving you out of my own Bible.  (13 hrs ago | post #757)

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Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple of Jesus Christ

Nice copout. I don't like a sentence you say, so everything else I don't have to read. So, I relegate myself to admonish your to re-read and as you state, I can respond to at least that. You quoted a Bible that puts in their own words by paraphrasing. It only says good works, now you have defined by your own tunnel vision what works you think and will do. Even if you help others, you do so by doing what Jesus and others told you to do, preach. Matt. 10: 7,11 and especially now when like Noah your kingdom message will help God give warning of his kingdom and who he can allow or not allow in, like he did with Noah. Matt. 24: 14, 27-29. We do need works, like the work we do to keep sustenance for ourselves, and family, and even those in the congregations of need. We need to work to study the word of God so we can understand it to teach our families and those in our communities, and to go where the need is great if we can afford the opportunity. Your works aren't the works Jesus said that would be arranged beforehand. Jesus said to look for sheep and not to be worried about the spirtuallly dead. "Let the dead bury the dead", he said. Eph. 2:7 speaks about the coming of the new system of things. That's the important thing, because everything God wants revolves around that. That's the cure and the time for the plentiful for everyone. Not beforehand.  (13 hrs ago | post #44621)

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Praise Jehovah

According to Dee and her love and mission to bury 'the name', by her own logic, nothing is of value in the Bible. There is nothing to spell or pronounce that's any good, because of either lack of vowels or having the originals of the authors who penned the Bible, there can be nothing of value. So in essence she wants to use the WT as her shield to keep the Word of God, buried and untrue. Every word to her is 'an error'. The Bible says that Dee believes is ALL ERROR says Who will not really fear Jehovah God, the Almighty and his name.? Rev. 15: 3,4. So far in this thread, it's Dee who is the foremost enemy of God.  (13 hrs ago | post #3487)

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What If Jesus Is not God?

We are all for a natural process anyone would have to offer for an evidientary trail. Anything from really small going into another really small, getting to a seed or an egg. Anything. One would think with the earth so unvolatile that the process potentials on their own would be a huge leap beyond that state with it being so relatively docile. Life should be starting anew all over. Small life should just be advancing to a next life, now. Forget all about the cartoonage of unprovable or unverifiable fossil conjectures. Give us life now, oh scientist that has answers. For now those who think the complicated is always made and has an author whether it be God or one of his creation think that is the standard form of logic that has no other alternative. There is nothing anywhere, on earth, or the heavens that is forming from nothing or going into a 'process'. It's 'already there.'  (14 hrs ago | post #341)

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Praise Jehovah

Others are not blind, but Dee will want you to be. Dee will play, You say PoTayToe, I Say Pot Tat Too, game to the hilt and attach the WT to it to make it a WT name instead of a name of God, name. The reality of the names of Jesus and Jehovah are they didn't appear suddenly in one person's mind as any new revelation but were ongoing from the time of God making it scripture from the original writer, ongoing, to where those names or similar names got there in their own pathways. Of course the original is more correct, as the WT alludes, but it's not the only way, or a way of being called an 'error' as Dee will falsely accuse and post to her DeeLIGHT, if you let her. Don't let her, Praise God's name, Praise Jehovah, and see how just using and believing in that name will cause an immediate change in your spirit and demeanor as well as tapping into a God that will provide a path to your roadway. http://75.82.149.7 4:10007/modules/wi kipedia_for_school s/wp/j/Jehovah.htm How Did the Name Jesus Originate? - PLIM  (16 hrs ago | post #3485)

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Does "One" REALLY mean THREE? Seriously!

No, he came to teach people the kingdom that would include his sacrifice and future rulership as it represented the words of God that he would relay to his followers and not of his own originality. Luke 4:43. John 5:19, and he knew no one would ever see God, John 1:18, 5: 37, but would "explain " him. He as the first of creation, Col 1:15, Rev.3:14, would be chosen to do God's will on a mission he would accept and forego his heavenly position he had, prior to his mission to do so. People 'saw' God prior to Jesus, and will continue to do so in the future. They will not try to be a thief and take God's title away for themselves, just like Jesus, the humble one, didn't. Phil 2: 5,6,11. Jesus will always forgive sins, as he has the authority, but only when people are genuine.  (Saturday | post #993)

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Praise Jehovah

The nations are hearing and knowing God's name as he prophesied. Dee is incorrect. She is denying the name of God, blaming others, and taking on a man made name that was used to bypass the name, and has bowed down to her god as she desires to keep any futrherance of the name of God being known to mankind.  (Saturday | post #3480)

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YES-Jesus WAS once known as Michael

I understand, while you make up to satisfy yourself. Word in the spiritual sense is always from God, but it has layers of communication. The Bible says you have never seen his shape nor heard his voice, so he has ones he uses for 'his voice' or his 'sayings'. Those words can be called logos, as Jesus as called as others were called. You simply have put in a word to describe how God operates into your theory. Nothing else. Jesus is called, "the Word of God" for obvious reasons. He is the main conduit for communication and salvation. We "teach" his words, as commanded. Matt. 28:20. Others will help teach those in his kingdom as conduits. Rev. 1:6. All words, spoken, originally from God, and not his Word of God, as he attested, passed down, until the completion is finalized. I Cor. 15: 24-28.  (Saturday | post #4518)

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Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple of Jesus Christ

Oh I do detest when I lose whole posts due to computer malfunction. We KNOW by your actions of what you say and do, and not of any internal motivation that only God could know. Helping others is not God's way of being 'right with God.' Some people try to do good things in thinking they are working their salvations by gaining some point system. God, through Jesus, wants you as in mankind to do it, their way. Their way, is being a teacher to tell all that is commanded to tell them of. Matt. 28:20. The future will provide all the food and needs for everyone. That is promised and what is will never happen in this world, prior to that. God, and Jesus, will never be happy when you teach them wrong, that all people go to heaven, there is more than one God in a Tri-form, and that bad people go get punished in an eternal flame. There is much more than saying one is a Christian, much more, and one must believe and do that their whole life. People who are invited to be rulers in God's kingdom that Jesus was sent to preach and die for. Luke 4:43, are truly born-again, anointed to be that, and not of themselves, and not wishing it so they can be special. They are born-again, truly, with a real experience, to help Jesus rule in his kingdom. Rom. 8:14-17, Rev. 1:6, 20:4. God said the true knowledge would be given for the last days. Dan. 12: 3,4, and would be gone astray and splintered soon after Jesus left. We see it, we see the errors, correct it, and follow all the prophecies that were said to be relevant and come true in the last days. Exciting times, as Jesus said it would mark his presence and coronation to soon to take over earth's affairs. Rev 6, 11, 12, Luke 21, Matt 24, Mark 13  (Saturday | post #44611)

Jehovah's Witness

Irrefutable reason why Jesus is Michael?

You're the one in denial. First you have to say it wrong off the bat. There is no "is" in the context of the scripture as these are not Is'es, but "will be called" (in the future). These are descriptions of how his life will be for the onlookers seeing him in the future. If those titles were just 'him' he would not need any power for accomplishment as we see all too well in Isaiah 9:7. Guess what titles are usually capitalized. The language to look at for interpretation, doesn't. That's why one doesn't have to capitalize "mighty one' as it applies to Jesus in Psalms 45:3. So, already you or anyone knows Jesus is NOT the Father, nor is he ETERNAL, so when you say his title will be everlasting father, you know it must mean SOMETHING ELSE. And it does, because he is the originator of many that he sets a precedent for, for those to be under his umbrella as sons and daughters. He will be a wonderful counselor, no doubt, as most will as see with his great advice and profound authority. But he doesn't take that for himself as he tells everyone he gets everything to say from his God, and not of his originality. Mighty/might god/God? Sure, nothing in this world would look to be as mighty as what Jesus performed in miracle, deed, or saying or liiving a sinless life in behalf of his God, who would make him Mighty/mighty. Of course, Dee will only attempt to see through the TriniGoggles she has bought, so she can be one who champions against those who are anointed to teach the world. Matt. 28:18, 24:45.  (Saturday | post #752)

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What If Jesus Is not God?

Well , not quite, by a long shot, but not totally wrong. Christians were Monotheists in the first century and didn't lose the One God, but incorporated the 'sent one', which was just enough to turn the applecart for devout Jews who still wanted a 'sent one' but not 'that one' because Messiah to them was more utopic and bringing power to the Jews. You are right that some of the splinters of Christianity took on The State and wanting to be with the In Group with power and religious clout, etc, but there were the originals who did what made Christianity stand out, by doing good always to their fellow man by the even new turning of the other cheek, not going to war and never using weapons on a fellow man, watching out for the needy of their ilk and etc. They were actually going from a theocracy of a real nation to being nomads on a mission to go to other cities and countries and didn't adhere to gov't per se as their citizenships now existed in the heavens. They weren't anarchists or disobedient to man rule, but they definitely stood out in their own way. Today, they are called JW's.  (Friday Jul 31 | post #261)

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Praise Jehovah

Dee, likes to make something appear that doesn't, like a magician's sleight of hand. Pretty soon a statement like not as correct (as what could be as an original), now, under Dee's Magic Wand, now, means "error" The only "error" is Dee's slandering of the WT and the Defamation of God's Name.  (Friday Jul 31 | post #3475)

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Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple of Jesus Christ

Well, just by your nick we should evaluate. God is Almighty in Rev. 16:14 and it his War. What will be the end result of that War? Does it apply to what anyone would call 'the system of things." We like to not harp on one thing as after that, there will be a lot of joy and opened eyes. I Cor. 2:9, Rev. 21: 1-5. Happy reading. You can find a new system if you worship God in the right way. Jesus does and wants you and all to be a part of his government in the "new earth" or new system. Dan. 7: 13, 14 Dan. 2:44. Matt. 24:22  (Thursday Jul 30 | post #44594)