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State Senate Votes For 10 Commandments Monument

I understand what you are saying. I understand also that you clearly find yourself to be a religious person. However as you pointed out, religion picks and chooses what to preach. As well, the followers do what followers do, they repeat whatever the sermon was about. Most of the time they constantly dole into their heads about those who do not come to worship on a regular basis. I did go to a church once though that really surprised me when the pastor said, "You do not have to attend church to worship. Mass worship is a personal choice". Talk about a shocker that he made it clear to those present what his true belief was!  (Apr 22, 2009 | post #146)

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State Senate Votes For 10 Commandments Monument

John, your right. They will try to twist the issue any way possible to gain the unlawful result they desire. These are the same people that will go to church, preach the "gospel" , then turn around and do the opposite. I may not agree with their vision, but true religious people act accordingly to their beliefs. Those persons I have no problem with. The people that scream the loudest, are the other side (with nothing to back them up except their egos).  (Apr 22, 2009 | post #145)

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State Senate Votes For 10 Commandments Monument

Once again you as well as "rlm" have skirted the issue. You can try to divert attention to cases that do not pertain to the issue at hand, however this strategy does not work. Show me pertinent cases that have relevance to the issue at hand.  (Apr 22, 2009 | post #144)

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State Senate Votes For 10 Commandments Monument

So you have no logical or reasonable response. Just as I figured. There is a name for your condition...blowhard.  (Apr 22, 2009 | post #143)

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State Senate Votes For 10 Commandments Monument

You claim to be a reasonable legal mind...if this is true, I do not know. However what I do know is that you are NOT a logical legal mind. You are comparing apples and oranges. Yet still I am compelled to correct you even in your "wrongness ". Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145 (1878), was a Supreme Court of the United States case that held that religious duty was not a suitable defense to a criminal indictment. George Reynolds was a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, charged with bigamy after marrying Amelia Jane Schofield while still married to Mary Ann Tuddenham in Utah Territory. Before the Supreme Court, Reynolds argued that his conviction for bigamy should be overturned on six issues. These included that his grand jury had not been legal, that challenges of certain jurors were improperly overruled, testimony by Amelia Jane Schofield was not permissible as it was under another indictment, and most importantly that it was his religious duty to marry multiple times. Courtesy of Wikipedia; Reynolds v. United States Now, back to the true subject..The 10 Commandments in a government setting. Do you or do you not have any cases to site that uphold your belief to which you can site, the way I did for the opposition?  (Apr 21, 2009 | post #84)

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State Senate Votes For 10 Commandments Monument

This is nothing new. He is only attempting to gain some publicity and use our tax dollars to do so... Establishment Clause of the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". (*) Religious displays: In 2001, Roy Moore, formerly the Chief Justice of Alabama, installed a monument to the Ten Commandments in the state judicial building. In 2003, he was ordered in the case of Glassroth v. Moore by a federal judge to remove the monument, but he refused to comply, ultimately leading to his removal from office. The Supreme Court refused to hear the case, allowing the lower court's decision to stand. (*) McCreary County v. ACLU of Kentucky, decided on 27 June 2005, the Court ruled 5-4 that displays of the Ten Commandments in several Kentucky county courthouses were illegal because they were not clearly integrated with a secular display, and thus were considered to have a religious purpose. (*) (*) Wikipedia--Establi shment Clause of the First Amendment Precedent is pretty clear on this issue.  (Apr 21, 2009 | post #52)

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KOTV'S Blatant editing of Theo Fleming Forum

Appreciate the response. Your one of the few on here that has a level head and can discuss the conversation with some understanding. I have noticed this from many of your posts. Not all frequent verified users can do this.. so kuddos. I understand clearly what you are saying. I partially agree. Yes I do think he should have been charged, yes I do think the others at the house should as well have been charged (and hope they will be). There is no doubt that he has to pay for what he has done. Where my dissent comes in is as follows: First degree murder definition: first-degree murder is defined as an unlawful killing that is both willful and premeditated, meaning that it was committed after planning or "lying in wait" for the victim. Second degree murder n. a non-premeditated killing, resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility. Second degree murder is different from First Degree Murder which is a premeditated, intentional killing, or results from a vicious crime such as arson, rape, or armed robbery. These definitions were taken directly from the law book. In MHO I do believe that the second is exactly what happened in this case. He should have known there was a "distinct possibility" that the gun he pointed could cause death. This boy should not be let off the hook, he should pay for what he has done. It's an outrageous travesty. I just happen to take offense to the lynch mob mentality. We are all guaranteed due process. I wasn't there, neither were any of the other posters (minus the ones that have disappeared now), so maybe there are more details then what they (authorities) are divulging. But from what they have told, it seems pretty clear cut 2nd degree. If you have a different understanding or take on it let me know.  (Apr 14, 2009 | post #13)

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KOTV'S Blatant editing of Theo Fleming Forum

Diarrhea of the mouth, You have totally missed the point of the comment. It's ok, I understand some do not possess the intelligence needed to keep up with the rest of the pack. You could check out community education courses, they may help you in reading comprehension. Thank you for your reply.  (Apr 13, 2009 | post #5)

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KOTV'S Blatant editing of Theo Fleming Forum

Thanks JFR, others were saying the same thing about all of their post being deleted so it seemed plausible this was going on. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong! Everything just seemed so one sided with hang him being the main consent. I guess true justice does not exist. But thanks for the inside info on Topix.  (Apr 13, 2009 | post #4)

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KOTV'S Blatant editing of Theo Fleming Forum

They are obviously going through every post and deleting everything posted that conflicts or even raises questions as to the validity in this case. This will also be deleted I'm sure. But until it does, we will see who couldn't post there. I have contacted Amnesty International about the case, noting the story and the obvious one-sided editorial of the new channel. It seems evident that they intend to try this in the media. Agree or disagree?  (Apr 13, 2009 | post #1)

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Tulsa Teen Charged With 1st Degree Murder

KOTV is trying this in the media. My post too has disappeared with nothing said that was inflammatory. Someone needs to bring the AI, or NAACP's attention to this story and to the news channel for the harm they are trying to inflict upon this case.  (Apr 13, 2009 | post #159)

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Tulsa Teen Charged With 1st Degree Murder

After reading the previous posts, I have to say you people are a despicable excuse for human beings. With a few exceptions, Andrew, Scott, Random, etc. There hasn't been a trial as of yet. Only a trial in the media. Very unfortunate situation for all involved and I do hope the truth does come out either way it goes. But at the least you who have posted could pretend to not be the racists pigs that you are. I agree Andrew, I think that AI, NAACP, or some other entity may have to be contacted. As for the eye, once again, we don't know. Maybe he got it before, maybe the police did it during interrogation, maybe a cell mate did it. We don't know. Why jump to conclusions. Let it all come out in the wash guys. If he did it with intent (doesn't seem likely), but if he did, jail him for life. If he didn't, let the jury decided.  (Apr 13, 2009 | post #149)

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Oklahoma Boy Killed In Tractor Accident

I totally agree "ranch". Most city people however do not understand this philosophy. Some of the best times I remember with my grandpa was riding with him on his tractor. Terrible accident. Nothing more, nothing less. My condolences.  (Mar 5, 2009 | post #48)

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OSU Vet School Alums Respond To Allegations

I agree John. However, I do not think that this is a total solution to the issue. Maybe they can incorporate that along with the dogs they already get other ways to cut down. Sometimes gold diggers just need to be quiet and pretty. Most however just know how to run their mouths. Is it her donations being made by his money? **rolls eyes** I think Mr. Pickens is an forward thinking, giving, and very smart man. Too bad his wife isn't the same in female form.  (Feb 26, 2009 | post #21)

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Police Investigating Tulsa Baby's Death

What a beautiful little boy. Very sorry for the family.  (Feb 11, 2009 | post #6)

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