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Signing off

It has been some time since I first discovered this site. The discovery came at a time when I really started to take a close look at the religion I was raised in for many years. It was good sharing with the many individuals that experienced the same path to awakening that I took. I also found it strengthening to discuss with those still a part of the organization the doctrines of JWs and the doubts I had about them. I consider JWs and all Christians my spiritual brothers and sisters even if we disagree doctrinally. We are still bound by faith in our lord Jesus and the prospect for a better life for humanity in the future. Thank you for all your comments, the good and the not so good. My time here has been both educational and entertaining but I definitely feel the need to move on. I want to wish EVERYONE here the best in life. Cheers! Che 3000  (Aug 28, 2011 | post #1)

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is it wrong to have the view that

Here is a sobering thought; JWs believe that if you die in a disfellowshipped state you are as good as gone. There may be exception; for example a DF'd person on the comeback, BUT if you were put out of the organization and unfortunately die without repenting by WT definition, there is no hope for you. Not even a disfellowshipped person's funeral can be attended..."I n "Questions from Readers" (The Watchtower, 1961, p. 544) the position was taken that a funeral for a disfellowshiped person was improper. The comment was made: "We never want to give the impression to outsiders that a disfellowshiped person was acceptable in the congregation when in truth and in fact he was not acceptable but had been disfellowshiped from it." … A Christian congregation would not want its good name besmirched by having it associated with any to whom 2 John 9, 10 applied, even in their death." Watchtower 1977 June 1 p. 347 Mourning and Funerals-For Whom? Now this may not apply to JW family members. I would have to do more digging. But I can almost say with certainty that even JW extended-family members would be discouraged from attending the funeral. And I say this because they won't attend a DF'd family member's wedding, baby shower, anniversary party, virtually any event in the name of a DF'd person/family member. But I still would not hold back from involving them. If they still shun, then shame on them. Let them live with their decision. At least you did the right thing.  (Aug 20, 2011 | post #13)

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What Would a JW Do?

JWs are indoctrinated with the idea they must "wait on Jehovah." While the rank and file JW wholeheartedly believes this, they are merely being asked to wait on the men in Brooklyn to change a teaching. New light is nothing more but an excuse to cover up their man-made interpretations. God does not reveal any truths to JWs, therefore a JW would of course be subject to vascilating teachings. For the JW, "the truth" is only the present truth.  (Aug 20, 2011 | post #2)

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Avoiding Biblical discussions.

Perhaps people just did not care for your thread. It is not that people are ducking bible discussion. There have been plenty of threads where scripture is discussed. But the reality of the matter is that this forum is a JW forum where people discuss JWs, their culture, policies, and doctrines. It's where people agree or disagree with them. It is where we discuss our experiences as former or active JWs and where opinions magically turn into facts in just a few keystrokes. voila! But be warned, threads on Topix only stay constructive for about 5 posts before the thread deteriorates into hurling insults. But it takes two to tango and both non_JWs and JWs on these boards love to dance!  (Aug 20, 2011 | post #18)

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Curious About Jehovah's Witnesses?

We all know how that will end. JWs seem to think they can read their pub: Mankind's Search for God and that's all there is to knowing about all religions. My father who is an elder made this claim. I asked him if he thought reading Cliffs Notes on a religion was enough to make an informed decision and he said yes. Then I asked him why do you ask interested ones to study then.  (Aug 18, 2011 | post #27)

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A Witness Upbringing is Child Abuse

People take this transition differently. Breaking from high control groups and cults is well documented. When high control groups and cults are broken up, their members often have difficulties adjusting to the "real world". They often feel left-out, abused, disoriented, suicidal, depressed, angry. They want back what they feel was taken away from them so there are often feelings of deprivation and abuse.  (Aug 18, 2011 | post #44)

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A Witness Upbringing is Child Abuse

Going through this conversion at 9 is tough. At that age a child has grown accustomed to family traditions and has found comfort, safety and stability in their family and friends network. To all of a sudden change these structures is very difficult. Cutting off friends, family traditions, and what was once normal for 9 years is tough. I understand where you are coming from. I was raised as a JW. While I would not say a JW upbringing is abusive, I would say there are dangers to the sheltered, almost cult-like environment they are brought up in. In a JW upbringing, a child's perspective of the world is severely skewed and their perception of non-JWs is tainted with distrust and this feeling that they are not only different but people God does not approve of. This all.comes to a head when a child undergoes peer pressures and they are forced by their parents to make a decision between JW and "the world." Such an ultimatum rip families apart and send unprepared adolescents into the world.  (Aug 18, 2011 | post #41)

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a serious question

I don't think anyone should feel they are fulfilling this account because this judgement against Israel has already occurred.  (Aug 18, 2011 | post #7)

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Elder looks down my wife's top.

You should have called him out!!! You should have asked him "How's the peeping Tom? See anything you like?" Besides this elder needs to learn from Seinfeld how to catch a peek... "Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You can't stare at it long, it's too risky. You get a sense of it then you look away."  (Aug 18, 2011 | post #21)

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Calling Gareth out for Issue #2

Gareth is the artful dodger!  (Aug 18, 2011 | post #98)

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medical marijuana

As a rule of thumb, do not take medical advice from JWs. Their views on medicine gives way too often to ignorance, fear-mongering, and a mangling of scripture. If you have concerns over your conscience, go to God in prayer. However, the effects of marijuana pale in comparison to some of the heavy narcotics your doctor will prescribe to you, most of which can kill you in the event of an overdose or allergic reaction. So my advice is do what you got to do to get better. MM has already proven to be of benefit to you. Pain pills lead to addiction and other worries, whereas marijuana has been freely used over centuries with little negative side effects. You'll be fine.  (Aug 18, 2011 | post #123)

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Calling Gareth Out on Issue #1

SMH! What a fraud. I wonder in these past 4 years if he has even contemplated making a public declaration of his faith instead of telling people to do as he says and not as he does. Another lukewarm JW.  (Aug 16, 2011 | post #96)

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Calling Gareth out for Issue #2

Being targeted has nothing to do with being right. People from various beliefs have been targeted for their faith. But this does not confirm they have the truth. You resort to fallicious statements to divert people away from a topic that is obviously a very embarrassing 300 lb gorilla in the room. Its weird that you won't touch this topic. You have conducted damage control with other missteps of "the slave" such as failed predictions. So why not just chalk this one up as another blunder from imperfect, uninspired men?  (Aug 16, 2011 | post #55)

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Calling Gareth out for Issue #2

I noticed as the subject went off topic you became active again in posting and in typical cult-like fashion you have donned the martyr complex with your, they pick on me like the picked on Jesus claim. But no one is picking on you Gareth. As the foremost defender of JWs on these boards, you have been asked to explain what your leaders have published to see if you have the stones to call them out as wrong. We want to see if you are really a truth-seeker or WT puppet and parrot. But you have side-stepped the request, thus confirming the latter. Are you up to the challenge? Is it time for an awakening?  (Aug 16, 2011 | post #54)

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Watchtower — emergence of the business end

Wow! I have worked in sales and I would say this follows the ABCs of selling. Always Be Closing. Tough times called for desperate measures. The main concern for an organization is self-preservation, even if it means resorting to spin selling.  (Aug 15, 2011 | post #77)