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Sovereignty dispute raises risk of legal challenges

Ace, This is significant.....an d could well embolden others to look for similar ways. Its a drop in the ocean, the value of the flagship compared to whats owed, but it does give some satisfaction. What could happen if the creditors gang up and plan various ways to take over Argentine owned planes, ships etc anything thats outside Argentine jurisdiction...... and especially in countries like Ghana. They will become like people who owe money everywhere who have to be in a disguise when they leave home  (Oct 5, 2012 | post #26)

So Argentina has no case?

Ricardo, Of course the US were an authority, they were the ones who wrecked the settlement so it no longer functioned and declared it Rex Nullius. I`ll back later as they viewed it as a base for pirates. How can  (Jul 6, 2012 | post #169)

So Argentina has no case?

Francisco, You missed a very important part of what I wrote...but never mind so did Ricardo. Argentina should be more pragmatic All this has been discussed at length but basically answered in the previous post  (Jul 5, 2012 | post #153)

So Argentina has no case?

Ricardo, Ethnocentricity - Of course this only applies to terrible Brits who disagree. So what if you dont recognise American authority....they didnt recognise Argentinian authority either. Like you dont recognise the US navy to declare Rex Nullius....and its about the same for Jewett declaring the islands for Argentina, the Americans didnt recognise it... So whatever anyone did it actually all means nothing, because everyone else doesnt recognise anyone elses claims and etc.....and so it just goes round and round in circles....thats actually all thats happening on the forum. Yawn So the British turned up retook what they believe is theirs....includin g the eastern half of the islands which technically could have been negotiated by a savvy Argentinian government....Inst ead they lost everything because they didnt have the gumption to stay on the right side of those with more power. So its back to the pots  (Jul 5, 2012 | post #152)

So Argentina has no case?

Ricardo, As you know Argentina got in trouble upsetting the Americans, while the Argentine claim on the islands was disputed..... Rex Nullius - We know thats what the US navy declared the islands when they raided Vernets settlement. We know you dont agree with this.....But thats what they declared.....and thats effectively what happened....The island was in disarrey until the British arrived. The Argentine government should have preceded any annexing of the islands with negotiations with Spain and the British Government. The British interest at Port Egmont and use of the islands by British whalers, sealers and fishing boats.....needed more than pirate adventures of Jewett who somehow forgets to inform the Argentine authorities of his momentous declaration. Like you say you might bury something in Hyde Park and declare it for Argentina....but unless you have the force to secure it...its just a pipedream. In an ideal world this is what should have happened: The Argentine government should have approached Spain and the British Goverment. Argentina did not have the power to take the islands, like it colonised the south american mainland. They should have negotiated quitely with the view to securing the east side of the islands and respect British interests on west side no matter how disputed. Its called give and take, and they could have made the whole deal sweeter by allowing favourable concessions for British commerce....instea d Argentina lost everything by trying to take the whole islands....by force. Now fast forward we see daily the Argentine Monty Python impression of the limbless Black Knight. (Where is Malvin by the way  (Jul 5, 2012 | post #144)

Vote 2013: How should Falkland Islanders decide?

Yes - We want the puppets! Wouldnt that be an epic production if the Muppets explained the history of the Falklands - some politicians could even play themselves  (Jul 3, 2012 | post #64)

Vote 2013: How should Falkland Islanders decide?

Francisco, I dont know what will happen at the UN...But the change may break the present deadlock. Whatever the Falklanders want is their choice...but if a neutral power garuanteed peace....maybe even a UN force to replace the UK that may help Argentina accept the Falklands becoming independent. But lets face it the UN hasnt got a 100% track record of protecting people they are responsible for. So I think the Falklanders would much prefer the status quo and British protection... Whoever is nervous of the British Commonwealth?..... This isnt a Mexican drug cartel were talking about...... or is it the cake and buns at their shindigs which threaten South American culture  (Jul 3, 2012 | post #63)

Vote 2013: How should Falkland Islanders decide?

Diego, Ignorance can be as a result of ignoring the facts In case you havent noticed this is 2012 not 1833....Since nothing has been resolved by Argentina or the UK......the Falklanders themselves may vote for independence rather than continue in a sort of limbo and that will make it a completly different ball game  (Jul 2, 2012 | post #52)

Vote 2013: How should Falkland Islanders decide?

Ricardo, You may well qoute Dame Rosalyn Higgins......but she is telling us something which may well end up like King Canute and the waves. King Canute even though he commanded the sea to stay back....the tide still washed over his feet  (Jul 2, 2012 | post #48)

Vote 2013: How should Falkland Islanders decide?

Ricardo, Its not that simple. We could rewind back 180 years and discuss what happened then but all that is as old as the Duke of Wellingtons hat. The world is a different place and whether Argentina and her buddies agree, if the Falklands get independence, it will be a matter of nations choosing to recognise them or not. If you wish to know how things are going with Gibralter....I guess alot of Spanish folk are happy it stayed British. http://www.spiegel .de/international/ europe/gibraltar-s -spanish-neighbor- la-linea-in-crisis -a-840854.html  (Jul 2, 2012 | post #46)

Falkland Islands: We plan referendum on our future

Dean, Thanks for the link......it is sad and unfortunatly explains alot If it comes to pass any of the Argentinian fans or athletes cause problems at the Olympics....it could mean Team Argentina leaving early. Kirchners feeble attempt to distance herself....while egging on people who are agitating...well, it says alot about present government in Argentina  (Jul 1, 2012 | post #338)

Falkland Islands: We plan referendum on our future

Alexey, Yawn....We have posters with Nazi sympathies so it is no suprise to read this....are you one of those who deny the Holocaust  (Jul 1, 2012 | post #332)

The Argentine problem

Ricardo, It is truly sad how many are suffering because of those who turn money into an idol and taught others to do the same. What has happened since the late 90s has been reckless.....even this week British banks have been caught out. It used to be Banks were regarded as a public service, but somehow its the other way round now - the public serve the Banks, the system got messed up through what basically amounts to greed. In many ways the internet has contributed by speeding up the process of greed and exploitation. Lawlessness is on the rise as moral codes are broken down, people act above the law and profit. So here we are.....with what amounts to a very small percentage of the world population living in fantastic luxury making decisions which effect everyone. They are shielded from the effects of the financial crisis....with their multiple passports, investments in major currencies, super yachts and private islands - do you think they want this to change? As for good old religion - I trust the Lord, but will he save everybody? Not according to scripture, not even living on a private island will save - "And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.” Revelation 19:17-18  (Jun 30, 2012 | post #751)

The Argentine problem

Ricardo, Hmmmmmm in the context I remember you were trying to see who was the most accomplished, educated etc etc......I think it was with Jake .....but anyway whatever. "Boasting is to pretend knowing the Revealed undisputable Truth" You must be talking about Ricard Dawkins, backslidden high priest of Atheism who prays to help him remember the Title of Darwins book kkkkkk I still laugh about that  (Jun 29, 2012 | post #750)

The Argentine problem

Ricardo, I know its sounds terrible....kkkkkk  (Jun 29, 2012 | post #749)