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Russell Springs, KY

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I could care less what the date is, Brian, as I am not American and my point still holds. So it was 1787. Really, Brian, how much smarter were those who wrote it than they were in 1776, when they declared Independence from England, which Canada also later got with no blood shed, other than the thousands of original aboriginals, who died in the colonization, as did also happen in the USA. Not that I remember all US history from my school days going back some 50 years, but are you aware that back then most Canadian children knew more US history than American children (about the USA), and the American children knew very little if anything about the history of Canada, other than the war that they tried to take over Canada, but failed, in 1812+ (a treaty was arrived at with neither side being victorious). Heck if the USA had won I would now be American because the border, if one existed at all, would likely have been the 49th parallel, which is far north of where I have ever lived in Canada, and places a great deal of the USA population, now, living further north than I do (unrelated info, but so are all your posts unrelated and irrelevant to the topic of this discussion thread).  (Tuesday | post #37011)

Russell Springs, KY

Gay Marriage - Russell Springs, KY

Brian, a Constitution written sometime around 1776 would bear the thoughts of those at the time, most of whom were not fanatic Christians, and surely with all of the many advancements that the USA has made since then, even the Constitution could bear some updating. That is why you have governments and Supreme courts, so that they can judge how certain things are not any longer pertinent or even right, under natural human rights. That does not mean that the Constitution should be ignored, but it is not cut in eternal stone, otherwise the USA of the year 3000 will be living in 1776 With the USA's thousands of serious human rights violations since 1776, clearly there is room for some amendments..  (Tuesday | post #37007)

Russell Springs, KY

Gay Marriage - Russell Springs, KY

Brian can be a funny guy. That is the only word I can think of that isn't unnecessarily cruel to describe his behavior. Irrational would be another. Unnecessarily cruelty might not be a bad thing, in his case, but doubtfully it would affect him. All of that was said with the kindest of intentions. )  (Tuesday | post #37006)

Russell Springs, KY

Gay Marriage - Russell Springs, KY

In case any new people are wondering, my apparent posting as both a member and a non-member here is an accident as sometimes when I log on here, I am automatically logged in and other times I am not, and I forget to check. I realize that some people here now who have posted for 5 to 6 years as members are currently hiding the fact they are the same people, but in some cases they are easy to pick out.  (Tuesday Nov 25 | post #36683)

Russell Springs, KY

Gay Marriage - Russell Springs, KY

Very good point. Perhaps that is why I am in a Black-White marriage so as to not make it look like I am in favor of segregation. ;) Of course, the gay marriage issue is no longer as issue in Canada anyway. Until more states legalized gay marriages, Canada was indirectly benefiting from the backwardness of the USA, because gays were crossing the border to be married. That would bring some money into Canada too. :) :)  (Tuesday Nov 25 | post #36682)

Russell Springs, KY

Gay Marriage - Russell Springs, KY

Have you ever considered the possibility that when you and God meet, Patty, there might just be the two of you, because no other human besides you has 'stood with God'.  (Nov 24, 2014 | post #36639)

Russell Springs, KY

Gay Marriage - Russell Springs, KY

How many children do you know of in your life have been taken to the town fathers for execution because they disobeyed their parents? Are you even attempting to suggest that you would condone even one disobedient child against the very specific directions, which you claim are Absolute, of God? Patty if all humans were obeying God's WORD about disciplining children there would not be many humans still living. The world population has about tripled in your lifetime, so that means that a lot of people do not do what God tells them to do.  (Nov 24, 2014 | post #36638)

Russell Springs, KY

Gay Marriage - Russell Springs, KY

Please account for what people claim is 40,000 different denominations and sects within denominations, then Patty. Are you suggesting that about 2 billion Christians are interpreting wrong what only you and those who agree with you are interpreting correctly? Every time a minister gives a sermon, he has written the text of his sermon based on how he sees, or how he was told by his teachers to see it. The various denomination seminaries are not teaching exactly the same thing, Patty, and many teach what you consider to be fact as myth and legend. Those who are more knowledgeable about what man has proved to not be true, if they are honest, would hardly be preaching what they have been taught at seminary as true when they were taught otherwise. In face I have read several accounts of ministers who come out of seminary, and find they cannot teach what they were taught as truth, because the poorer educated in their congregations won't hire them if they tell them things aren't all true that they had believed to be true. People are not born with 100% clarity of what every word in the Bible means. In fact there are wide discrepancies between even those Bible scholars who did nothing but studied the Bible all their lives. It is widely known that the original language that the Bible was written in, which, I suppose, was Latin, assuming that the Roman Emperor Constantine was the one who ordered it to be written, or, if you wish, selected from various stories and put into one volume called, in English, The Bible. Many of the poorly educated of those who first recorded the stories, according to what people say would be using the Hebrew or Jewish language of the time. I understand that there are words and phrases in that language that can be interpreted and translated into other languages in different ways, so how would we know that the very exact words of the very first text, actually do get taught to you, or are in the version of the Bible you read? It was a couple hundred or more years after the believed time of Christ when the Bible was first compiled and agreed on at that time, what should go in it. Pretty hard for people 200 years later to go back and verify with the original writers they have meant whatever, when they were long dead. Even those accounts that were allegedly written by Jesus' own followers, though the exact identification of those writers is not proven, were written many years after Jesus' death.  (Nov 24, 2014 | post #36637)

Russell Springs, KY

Gay Marriage - Russell Springs, KY

It is becoming more prominent amongst both Jewish and Christian scholars, Patty, that the character Moses, as most people think of him, never actually lived. Some suggest that the many stories attributed to Moses may be an accumulation of stories about many different people either legendary or actual. The truth is there is no evidence at all to support the existence of Moses nor of anything that you believe he wrote. Those are all things of Belief (of some people) only.  (Nov 21, 2014 | post #36603)

Russell Springs, KY

Gay Marriage - Russell Springs, KY

Polls today state that the majority of Americans support gay marriages, and the numbers supporting have increased rapidly over the last few years. I see that as a sign that people are becoming more knowledgeable about the world around them, and those who promote hatred as you do are realizing they were not right in the past.  (Nov 21, 2014 | post #36602)

Russell Springs, KY

Gay Marriage - Russell Springs, KY

I was actually pleasantly surprised and shocked when I recently started posting here again, and then did some research on the current status of gay marriage rights in the USA that when we were last debating this, I think you were stating that only 7 states had legalized gay marriages, whereas now the majority has, and based on this http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Same-se x_marriage_in_the_ United_States , I would be very surprised if by the end of 2015 there are any states left that do not permit gay marriages. With it now a federally approved right, I cannot imagine any state getting away for very long ruling against its own country, and the federal courts will likely overrule any that still try. I see that more have been added even in the past few weeks. It is moving much faster there than I had imagined it would, and now with the majority of popular support for gay marriage, the hate mongers don't have a hope in Hell of continuing their campaign of discrimination. I expect this will happen long before the end of 2015 actually based on the changes just in 2014. I would guess that those who continue to want to persecute gay people will have to move to some of the other backward countries of the world, if they want to be happy in their hate.  (Nov 18, 2014 | post #36578)

Russell Springs, KY

Gay Marriage - Russell Springs, KY

I wonder how many millions of people have died in wars resulting from differing views on Christianity, not to count the millions that have died at the hands of their Christian colonizers? When humans are working on beliefs rather than facts, it is so easy to get people to hate each other.  (Nov 18, 2014 | post #36577)

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