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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism)

Oh no..dude..don't start agreeing with me..you will put me to sleep! (36 min ago | post #2728)

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism)

Ya think? Pahoran can explain anything..he is a decent debate opponent..i bet he could even change his name and flip sides and nobody would ever catch on.....but you got to watch him, he will spend much time debating an insignificant point while blowing past the real issue...he was arguing about porn in utah... say ok..i give up..Utah is only ranked 3rd...the point being, for a state full of religious, almost extremists.....ain 't they got nuthin better to do that look at naked women?..the state should be ranked in the bottom 5 if mormon was as they pretend to be (44 min ago | post #903)

Gee..did my comment concerning the amount of time you post, hurt your feelings? And that for sure was NOT nasty in my world....But then we do live in different worlds. And i don't, as a general rule, hate Mormons...It would be illogical to foster hate for a group of people. As for Pahoran...he is just a target that likes to shoot back....but i tire of him, he has become predictable...alth ough he does spend some time, proving his point. And no, i was never a mormon, Why, do i sound like an ex-mormon? could it be that ex mormons have animosity towards the church? I have no animosity towards the catholic church And i was raised catholic, attended seminary freshman year in high school, and about that same time i developed the magic ability to think for myself, saw all the discrepancies in the religion i was living..and walked away... lived in ca. until i was 26 and moved to Salt Lake City for 25 years... i know mormons, i have worked with them, had them as neighbors and done business with them...and like all people, there are good and bad...and if you read some of my stuff you will notice i don't make a habit out of dumping on mormon people in general. As for the church..because of who you are and where you live and you commitment to believing in the church, you cannot see things from the perspective i have...and i know this to be true, simple because i used to live in your world, and i have not now for almost a year, And it is very obvious.. utah is different, and little of it to my liking, and most of it has to do with the influence the church has over anything they choose. And it is at the exact point in time, that anybodys' religion affects me in any way, is the exact same time i see that religion as a problem..and it ain't like it's just me...i bet there are as many people around who have the same attitude toward the mormon church, as the church has members...and it ain't because they are all bigots...For any church with only 13 million members, to have such a crappy reputation with so many people, is a pretty good indication that something is not right..but you would not be able to understand any of that..the only thing you see and understand is that your church is the best thing that ever was, and you wake up every day with that same thought in your head...and after a while you have taught yourself to believe..but you have taught yourself to believe what you thought....not what is real.. and what you write, is proof....anytime anyone posts and comment that is negative towards the church in any way...you disagree...just like pahoran....argue, disagree, disprove..it's an automatic response. In your head, your church is perfect..you know no other way... (1 hr ago | post #902)

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism)

Oh Hannah, calm down...and i AM different, more different than most around here..and for sure nuthing like CIB at least i try to be polite...and he has that habit of attacking the beliefs of another and using his own to prove his point. I am unable to that..i do not have 'beliefs' i only have knowledge from facts that life has given me (5 hrs ago | post #2725)

Hey...Pahoran...ai n't you got a job..or a life? you spend more time here than half a dozen other posters, combined! except for maybe Hannah (8 hrs ago | post #891)

As for the rest of your comments.... I concede to a bit of confusion to some of that. The church, being a well run business organization, consistently earning such a high profit margin...and the actual state, having approximately 70% of people actually running the government, being mormon, logic says that the state would be run in a more efficient manner. It quite possibly might be that the Mormons who run the government have much to do with the churches prosperity...But there is no real way to know about that...government and religion...they all got the secrets... And if you don't think the church doesn't have control over government...why are polygamists so prosperous there? They pay no taxes..the women collect welfare, the men are never held financially responsible for the dozen of children they father... While any other father of a child would have 75% of his wages garnished simply because he has a job? (8 hrs ago | post #2719)

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism)

Hey..you are doing better..at least you are staying on subject, now lets work on your reading/comprehens ions skills. You said: The Church does not track our incomes I said: After living in utah for 25 years.... I have heard that from many Mormons..they don't track..we give what we can...none of them actually lived in utah...and there is a difference between Utah mormons and rest of the world Mormons... You live in New Zealand...half a world away...being good business men, the leaders of your church might not expect a high return on their investment. You said: And good standing involves considerably more than tithing. And while that might be true, it does not relate to anything that i was discussing in my statement. You said: "Snip the sneer." Wazat? some kind of down under slang.? You said: So what? Can you point out where the word "pope" can be found in the Bible? It is not so much that his title is note pope.... The title "President " has no religious or spiritual connotations of any kind...and in fact, it is more likely to be applied to a person who runs a business organization. You said: You made up the "CEO" part. No, i did not make it up. I simply applied a term commonly applied to a person who has control over a business organization. You said:That is not true. The tithes are handled by a council of which he is the chair, but he doesn't have sole control. He is still the President...the council is composed of people who supply him with needed information and take care of details, I would not expect a single man to totally oversee every minute detail involved in the operation of a multi billion dollar business organization with and estimated net worth approaching 50 billion dollars...right up to and including ownership of .7% of the sate of florida. (9 hrs ago | post #2718)

Mormons: We are Christians, too

That Pahoran dude? he hasn't posted since thursday... he has been posting over here... http://www.topix.c om/forum/religion/ latter-day-saints/ TKI8IOL300IMKDI5K/ p41#lastPost Might be a good idea to send him some decent Mormon backup..poor guy it taking shots from every angle and if he don't get some help soon, he might crash and burn. :) (12 hrs ago | post #15841)

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism)

that would be: Do the twisted explanation thing............ And i have yet to figure out why they do those things.....but it is predictable..they will all do it.... It could be it their 'training' Or it could be like someones last futile attempts to grab onto something as they slip into that big black hole...known as reality. Like pahauan..is that all you got??? And maybe for people who just don't know any better, (like people the bicycle brothers might seek out in some far away land who don't have T.V...or the internet) the stuff they pedal :) just might sell.... But this is the age of information and communication and it will the bane of the mormon church. The real facts are available to all who care to look, as long as a person has enough common sense to pay attention to the sources and cross check things, facts become real. The entire basis for the mormon church is as simple as: If 'dude' next door has some seer stones, and some golden plates with doodles on them, and he said he talked to God, and God said he needed to have as many wives as he can get to please God.. What would happen to 'dude'? For a good salesman..175 years ago..that might be an easy sell.. but today... i would spend about 2 minuets on the internet...and then i would make a phone call, and let the guys in the white coats deal with it...and then..maybe someday..if they ever let him out, he can get a start on that 'financial empire' thing (13 hrs ago | post #881)

After living in utah for 25 years, and any mormons with facts, feel free to correct me if i am wrong, the mormon financial scheme is something like this: Each working family contributes it's 10% to the church (stake) they attend. That church keeps track of the 'payments' and if the 'account' is 'paid in full' those members are listed as 'in good standing with the church' (so like if they die and are in good standing..they get to go to mo mo heaven..and if they are not in good standing..i guess they don't) That church forwards all 'payments' to the mormon main church. The main church pays to build the little churches, and covers the overhead. The bishops for each little church do not get paid (i think that's the non profit part) they all have regular jobs. That would be how ya build a $5+ billion a year financial empire 'using' 13 million people. And in case it matters..the Mormons claim to be Christians, follow the teachings of the bible...yet the leader of the church is not a pope, he is 'President and CEO' and has absolute control over every dollar that rolls in the door. And another twist..Utah government is in a financial bind, they are cutting services all over the place to fix the budget..Most of the mormons probably pay as much money to the church as they pay in taxes..the church is running 'fat cat' the government is broke.. you would think maybe the church would help the government out..just a little bit? Mormon runs the state without and financial liability.....i guess that is how they apply that 'separation of church and state' thing. (14 hrs ago | post #2716)

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism)

Ya..that about adds up fast..think 100 people..say i make 40K a year 10%= 4k x 100 $400k a year..and only work on sundays? (Yesterday | post #2714)

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism)

That was a truly masterful subject change...by the time you we done dribbling i had completely forgot the question and you reference to a movie that i have never seen was the clincher! and the rest of it totally confuse me too...were you actually making an attempt at analyzing me? good freekin luck! Bout time for scriptures here pretty quick ain't it?? (Yesterday | post #878)

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism)

There ya go, passin out insults like Halloween candy..you do know what Halloween is? you living in New Zealand and all.... And as far as your interpretation...i t doesn't reall make any sense in the context you provided.. I read it more like a verb...smith obviously had no knowledge of the written Egyptian language so he must have reformed the translation his way...and to bad he lost them things....being able to prove one simple thing..anything... just might give give him even just a little creditability.... (Yesterday | post #877)

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism)

Damn..he is sure making the effort to twist that around! ain't gona happen around here..all he does is confirm what we already know..... and i think his next move will be..change the subject.... that is mormon procedure it goes ignore deny do the twisted explanation thing name calling and then change the subject and somewhere in all that, at no particular time there is quote scripture... I did ask him a while ago..if he could provide and explanation as the just what Reformed Egyptian" is..must be a tough one...still doing the research on it..... (Sunday | post #864)