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Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

The push is for the next president to be one that will be acceptable to both Slavs and Albanians. So in 10 - 20 years when Albanians make up 35% - 40% of the population in FYROM you don't think there will be an Albanian president? Just like there is no Albanians is the following positions Minister of European Affairs Minister of Defence Minister of Economy Just to name a few. Neutral Bay is a nice spot, Brighton-Le-Sands is not that bad either. Question do you own your own house in Neutral Bay or do you rent. Anyway doesn't change the fact that FYROM is a shithole  (Jan 19, 2014 | post #165)

Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

LOL, SAMARAKIS is definitely our saviour in all of this mess, I wonder if the other Malakes SYRIZA get in power I wonder what they are going to do. I know I am going against what I preach and giving you a link to a youtube video but this is an interesting one, listen to what a SYRIZA MP has to say on the name issue. http://www.youtube .com/watch?v=JMb7j jplGVg  (Jan 16, 2014 | post #115)

Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

Now Dani Boy this is the first intelligent thing you have said (I lie your posts are usually pretty good, I am just making my point here). You are right, this is the only way the current policy of the Greek government will be changed. Now my next question is "What are you going to do about to bring this referendum idea to the attention of the people that can put the wheels in motion to make it happen?" Because all the debate/thoughts/id eas you go on with on this forum mean squat unless Greece decides to change it policy and harden its stance.  (Jan 16, 2014 | post #113)

Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

Odysseus, mate enough with the insults ok. Now let me explain all this to you once again (now I am treating you like I do the FYROMians on here, the special cases that they are). FACT 1: The Ancient Macedonians and Alexander the Great spoke a Greek dialect and spread a Hellenic culture through their conquests. FACT 2: The language that people from FYROM speak is a slavic language very similar to Bulgarian (and Albanian). This language was created 1000 years after Alexander the Great. FACT 3: All the evidence from the Ancient Macedonian period is on the Greek side and all inscriptions were in Greek. Now lets move to the modern world. FACT 4: The official position of Greece is that they will accept a geographical qualifier before the term "Macedonia " to be used "Erga Omnes". (LMAO did make a good point that this is the current Greek position and policies do change - I hope it does too, but I do not see it happening) FACT 5: Greece went from no "Macedonia " and softened its stance to "Macedonia " with a geographical qualifier. FACT 6: Greece WILL ACCEPT something along the lines of Northern/Upper/New /Vardar before the term Macedonia FACT 7: We will not lose the name Macedonia when the final solution is agreed on. WE LOST THE NAME MACEDONIA 20 YEARS AGO when the greek government decided to recognised this country as FYROM (I know I am pointing out the obvious but what does the M stand for in FYROM) FACT 8: I never said that Greece is in the process of accepting Northern Macedonia. All I have said is what Greece is willing to accept. (THIS IS A MISUNDERSTANDING ON YOUR PART). I have previously answered your question that I have no link about this. The Greek side has drawn its red line and now the onus is on FYROM to put something forward that is acceptable. FACT 9: The name that GRUEVSKI was pushing for was "Republic on Macedonia (Skopje)" and you are right it was rejected by the Greeks. (IT WAS NOT NORTHERN MACEDONIA AS YOU CLAM) FACT 10: Greece has also recently rejected the NIMETZ proposal of "Upper Republic of Macedonia" as this is a political qualifier and not a geographical qualifier. FACT 11: The name dispute has to be solved before FYROM can enter the EU/NATO. Theleis na pame na poume kafe, kai tha ta exigisou gia sena pali mia fora. Bori afti ti fora na ta katalavis. Meta boris eisi na mou pis tis itheas sou. Oli eimaste ellines etho edaxsi. For some reason my post don't seem to be showing up, I had to retype this one again Dan Why would FYROM change their name to PAOENIA if the Greeks are willing to accept a geographical qualifier? Odysseus Can you now answer my questions. (1) What does a compound name with a geographical qualifier mean to you? (2) Do you agree with my 11 Facts, if not which one don't you agree with and why?  (Jan 16, 2014 | post #110)

Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

Further to my earlier post, so now let be reasonable, can you see FYROM changing their name to Paeonia? Do you think this has any chance of happening? or do you live is the delusional world like the rest of the people on here do, on both sides, that don't even understand the very basics of what each countries "OFFICIAL " position is.  (Jan 16, 2014 | post #82)

Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

There will be Macedonia Republic of Northern Macedonia and Ancient Macedonia (1) So what are your description of what FYROM should be called that is acceptable? (2) And please clarify for me was is the "OFFICIAL " positions of both Greece and FYROM on the name dispute using "CREDIBLE " sources. Its all good saying this is all a big mess, but if you don't understand the official position of both countries then it makes for an even bigger mess.  (Jan 16, 2014 | post #79)

Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

Hey Odysseus, I am just reading between the lines, there is no link anywhere about Greece being in the process of accepting anything as the Greeks have officially spoken to FYROM once in the last 18 months. So I cannot find you a link. All I am stating here is this is the official Greek position, but what happens behind closed doors is a totally different matter. As you have pointed out SAMARAS does not speak to these lunatics and rightly so. Hope this answers your question. Mate there is no need to lower yourself to the level of the FYROM Nationalist Box heads on here with insults. I speak to you in a civil manner ok. Just think about it. Mate at the end of the day Greece has drawn its red lines which by now is very clear. If you don't believe me then I suggest you do your own research and ask questions. Greece will accept something along the lines of "Republic of Northern/Upper/New /Vardar Macedonia". I am not delusional like the rest of the people on here that do not even know any of policies/positions of the political parties involved in both countries. Let me know your thoughts, and I would also like an answer to my previous question about what a compound name means to you?  (Jan 16, 2014 | post #77)

Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

From what I can understand, if a compound name with a geographical qualifier is accepted then something along the lines of: Modern Country: Greece Official Country Name: Hellenic Republic Identity: Greek Regional Identity of Greeks living in Macedonia: Macedonians or Greek Macedonians Official Language: Modern Greek Modern Country: FYROM Official Country Name: Republic of Northern Macedonia Identity: Northern Macedonian (not sure what the Albanian will want to call themselves - Probably Albanians from Northern Macedonia) Official Language: Northern Macedonian/Slavic Macedonian and Albanian Ancient World Kingdom of Macedon/Macedonia Identity: Ancient Macedonians Language: Ancient Greek What do you think, they should be called?  (Jan 16, 2014 | post #74)

Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

Hey Odysseus, I have tried to answer your question but my post do not appear to be appearing on here, I have tried posting a few time. Can I ask you a question what does this paragraph mean to you? http://www.mfa.gr/ en/fyrom-name-issu e/ "A compound name with a geographical qualifier for use in relations to everyone (erga omnes) is the best possible basis for finding an honest, mutually beneficial compromise that will not create winners and losers, but will lay the foundations for the development of a healthy and stable bilateral relationship based on the principle of respect for good neighbourly relations, and will strengthen peace and stability in the wider region". What does "A compound name with a geographical qualifier" mean to you. Can you answer me this question? Northern/Upper/New /Vardar would you consider these as geographical qualifiers? I think you have to do a bit more research and actually see what everyone official position is in this circus, before you start demanding answers. Let me know your thoughts  (Jan 16, 2014 | post #71)

Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

This is the correct GRUEVSKI link, link before was IVANOVs speech the year before, my apologies. http://gadebate.un .org/68/former-yug oslav-republic-mac edonia  (Jan 16, 2014 | post #60)

Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

No problem, I thought/ was hoping that was the case, cheers mate  (Jan 16, 2014 | post #59)

Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

You can hear it for yourself 68th UN General Assembly speech - SEP 2013 - Deputy Prime Minister VENIZELOS http://www.un.org/ apps/news/story.as p?NewsID=46104 &Cr=general+de bate&Cr1=#.Utf Gbnl6NBU VENIZELOS speech on Greece's position around 7 minute mark 68th UN General Assembly speech - SEP 2013 - Prime Minister GRUEVSKI http://www.un.org/ apps/news/story.as p?NewsID=43078 &Cr=general+de bate&Cr1#.UtfH -Xl6NBU FYROM's position around 6 minute mark  (Jan 16, 2014 | post #58)

Macedonian PM: Greece is avoiding talks over name dispute

Odysseus is this directed at me?  (Jan 16, 2014 | post #53)

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