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One last thing to say on this before going away for the weekend.... Civil rights have only come to those that demand and explain their point pointing to of course the law of the land. For example... 1870 to 1875- Several women--including Virginia Louisa Minor, Victoria Woodhull, and Myra Bradwell--attempt to use the Fourteenth Amendment in the courts to secure the vote (Minor and Woodhull) or the right to practice law (Bradwell). They all are unsuccessful. 1872- Susan B. Anthony is arrested and brought to trial in Rochester, New York, for attempting to vote for Ulysses S. Grant in the presidential election. At the same time, Sojourner Truth appears at a polling booth in Battle Creek, Michigan, demanding a ballot; she is turned away. 1874- The Woman's Christian Temperance Union (WCTU) is founded by Annie Wittenmyer. With Frances Willard at its head (1876), the WCTU became an important force in the fight for woman suffrage. Not surprisingly, one of the most vehement opponents to women's enfranchisement was the liquor lobby, which feared women might use the franchise to prohibit the sale of liquor. 1878- A Woman Suffrage Amendment is introduced in the United States Congress. The wording is unchanged in 1919, when the amendment finally passes both houses. People wouldn't dare today quote the bible stating that women don't have the right to vote as it was before the movement. From the end of the civil war until 1954 separate but equal ruled the law of the land until Brown V Board of education. A year later Rosa Parks refuses to give up her seat and is arrested making civil rights an even bigger issue. Sept. 1957 the President of the United States had to send FEDERAL TROOPS to Little Rock to break the lines held by the Gov and the National Guard of Arkansas. 10 years later Loving V Virginia strikes down Racial Integrity Acts, prior to this the bible again used to quote how races shouldn't intermarry let alone the prevailing attitude of the South where non-whites weren't looked on as separate but equal but sub human nearly. People whom quote the bible today for racism are looked upon as foolish, taking things out of context... The homosexuals that are still suffering with out equal rights are fighting. Just like in the past people used their bigotry to try to stop equal rights for all but the courts and the legislators of this nation eventually saw not only the injustice of the situation but had to understand that the Constitution of this great land was/is the last word and should be used to grant freedoms not impose more discrimination. Even the womans suffrage had failures at the Supreme Court level but they did over come as shall we!  (May 22, 2008 | post #813)

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California Same-Sex Ruling Hits Close To Home

Uhh yeah I can point out a decision does May 15th 2008 sound familiar? California Supreme Court decision you know.. How about Nov. 18 2003 the supreme court in Mass?  (May 22, 2008 | post #812)

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Umm he's not a little woman *remember I'm gay* nor do I call him my husband. He's my spouse or my other half, or the best cardiac nurse money can buy any of those work.  (May 22, 2008 | post #786)

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My pies and cakes never burn sug, internal chronometer keeps me on top of them besides the smell ;o) So when was the last time you made a triple chocolate raspberry cheese cake or a chocolate strawberry mousse cake? ;o) For me that was just last week but so was changing the oil *jiffy lube free* on the hickmobile getting it ready for our move to the City.  (May 22, 2008 | post #783)

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The we're both children battling at this point with a plastic sword. You're saying a verse in a book of the bible counts whilst I'm asking about other verses in the same book *lets just exclude the animal deaths/shellfish debate* and yet the others don't matter? Regardless of all of that we can debate forever as the bible has been debated since they decided which books to put in and which to toss out. It comes down to law. You and I came to an understanding yesterday which I wish that many of these other people would. We both agreed that civil unions as long as it granted the same equal rights as a civil marriage would be ok did we not? The same could be said for separate but equal for non-whites that lasted for 100 years before it was struck down. Separate but equal is all that we could hope for now. Let the people get use to that for quite some time, if in the far future they don't like that anymore then they can fight over the word marriage. I know we both agree on that but the one thing we see differently on is it is easier to use the constructs of the court system to argue for our equal rights written into law and get a ruling forcing the house & senate to finally do something than it is to scream rant and rave in DC until time ends waiting for someone to take the first step. The judges must go by what is written and don't have to face re-election unlike anyone in either house.  (May 22, 2008 | post #778)

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Sure why not lol. Though I have to give you credit, you didn't have a hissy over my "happy health marriage". See if you don't think about it, it really doesn't effect you. I mean seriously in the 4 years since we married in California has it caused a divorce here or something I'm unaware of?  (May 22, 2008 | post #771)

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If you weren't a woman and in the late 1800s I bet you would have said the same of Susan B. Anthony or perhaps in the 60's of Dr. King?  (May 22, 2008 | post #769)

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http://pediatrics. aappublications.or g/cgi/content/full /118/1/349 This is the Official Journal of The American Academy of Pediatrics from 2006 Quite the interesting study!  (May 22, 2008 | post #765)

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Nope I got some this morning and I get "some" all holiday weekend long. It's one of the great benefits of having a happy and health marriage.  (May 22, 2008 | post #759)

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Oh so it went from being homosexuals fault to a government experiment? Seek professional help!  (May 22, 2008 | post #758)

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No really? So just because it's in the bible in the same book that Christians love to quote then perhaps God doesn't mind civil marriage contracts. Slippery Slope that. If one passage in the same book is going to be taken as fact and law shouldn't they all? Including the taking animals to the alter to become burnt offerings? *PS I don't believe no mater what the bible says that a woman's place is quiet, nor that it's ok for slaves nor to hurt and or kill any human being. To me "turn the other cheek" has more meaning!*  (May 22, 2008 | post #756)

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Well you seem heck bent on blaming homosexuals for all children suffering, look what heterosexuals are doing. Those "perverts " are YOUR problem under YOUR logic, go apologize to them all as YOUR logic dictates. Didn't like the hard hitting facts huh?  (May 22, 2008 | post #752)

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It is important to note at the outset the distinction in the types of marriages that exist in the United States and throughout the world, namely civil marriage and religious marriage. In addition, there are significant legal distinctions among civil marriage, civil union, and domestic partnership, although these terms are often incorrectly used interchangeably. Civil Marriage and Religious Marriage Civil marriage is a legal status established through a license issued by a state government. Such status grants legal rights to, and imposes legal obligations on, the 2 married partners. Depending on the faith, religious marriage is considered to be a liturgical rite, a sacrament, or a solemnization of the uniting of 2 persons and is recognized by the hierarchy and adherents of that religious group. The hierarchy, clergy, and in some cases members of religious organizations, establish their own criteria and rules for who may marry within their assemblies. They are not bound by statutory definitions of marriage. Civil government entities in the United States have no authority over a religious organization's autonomy. In the United States, couples may choose to marry in a civil ceremony, a religious ceremony, or both. In the United States, state governments grant priests, rabbis, clerics, ministers, and other clergy presiding over a religious marriage the authority of the state to endorse the marriage license and establish a civil marriage. Certain public officials in the United States, such as judges, justices of the peace, and others, also have the authority to establish civil marriage. By contrast, in many European countries and elsewhere in the world, religious officials have no authority to establish civil marriages. If couples in these countries wish to participate in the marriage ceremony of a faith tradition, religious ceremonies are often held once a civil ceremony has taken place. However, a marriage is considered legal only by means of issuance and endorsement of a marriage license by civil authorities. Because clergy in the United States are vested with the authority of the government for purposes of civil marriage, many people are not aware of the distinction between civil and religious marriage and assume that the 2 are inextricably linked. However, the following analysis presumes this distinction. It addresses issues related to civil marriage, leaving issues of religious marriage to religious organizations and individuals. Civil Union A civil union is a legal mechanism, sanctioned by civil authority, intended to grant same-gender couples legal status somewhat similar to civil marriage. In the United States, civil unions have been established only in Vermont and Connecticut. In these states, same-gender couples are granted the same state-level rights, benefits, and protections as those granted to heterosexual married couples. No other states recognize civil unions. As such, same-gender couples considered to be legally united in either of those states are treated as single individuals when they cross into other states. Unlike the national governments of some foreign countries, the US federal government does not recognize civil unions. As a result, >1000 federal rights, benefits, and protections are not made available to same-gender couples joined by civil union in the United States.  (May 22, 2008 | post #750)

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Are you being cranky because they liquor store wouldn't take your IOU anymore tisk tisk.  (May 22, 2008 | post #743)

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South Tulsa

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Margaret's German Restaurant, Siegi's, Oktoberfest, Napoli's, White Lion, GermanFest,

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NPR, BBC Worldservice, DWradio

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The Potato Factory

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going to estate sales, antiquing, Jaguars, auto repair and restoration, gardening, cooking.

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The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.

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That the constitution and it's amendments give equal rights to all, ending the death penalty, and of course better government.