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Messianic Judaism

The Day of Atonement aka Yom Kippur

[quote]Here’s my outline: Bible Fact #1: The KJV mistranslates G2643 in Ro.5:11 as “atonement”. Bible Fact #2: Scripture associates Jesus’ DEATH with RECONCILIATION (not, atonement). Bible Fact #3: Scripture associates Jesus’ SACRIFICE with REDEMPTION (not, atonement). Bible Fact #4: Scripture says WE were “BOUGHT” (not, “our SINS were PAID”). Bible Fact #5: Translators & Commentators misuse “atonement”, “propitiation” & “expiation” in NT.[/quote] The Day of Atonement aka Yom Kippur The other day I was served with 5 Biblical Christian facts as you can see above, about the Day of Atonement aka Yom Kippur. Then I felt under the spiritual responsibility to share with him a word or two about Yom Kippur. The Atonement is strictly a notion from the Tanach. Nothing to do with the NT. The Yom Kippur day aka the day of Atonement. Every year our Fathers used to celebrate the Yom Kippor day as a prophecy for the day of Atonement. Two goats were chosen and, by lot, one would be for the Lord and the other would be for Azazel aka the Scapegoat. The one chosen by lot for the Lord would remain to be sacrificed as a sin offering as needed to keep the world going. The other whose lot was for the Scapegoat, it would be sent into the wilderness to Azazel. (Leviticus 16:9,10) The goat which would remain in Jerusalem was Judah. The Scapegoat was Israel aka Ephraim, the Ten Tribes. Now, to understand how Yom Kippur was performed, you must read Psalm 78:67-70. The fate of the Scapegoat aka Israel the Ten Tribes was fulfilled in 721 when Israel was conquered by Assyria and taken eastward through the desert and got lost forever. That's when the Lord rejected the Tabernacle of Joseph and confirmed Judah to remain as a People before the Lord forever as the only Kingdom aka the Remnant of the People for the Lord. (Ezekiel 37:22) Yom Kippur had reached fulfillment. Now, why we still observe Yom Kippur every year as usual? Yes, as usual but with a characteristic change; no longer as a prophecy because the prophecy had been fulfilled already but "in memory" of the fact. Hence, Zechariah 12:10 when the Jews returned from 70 years of exile in Babylon, they would gather in Jerusalem with the spirit of grace and supplications where they would mourn for ancient Israel whom they had pierced which means, whose freedom had lost so that Judah could have been chosen to remain in Jerusalem as a People before the Lord forever. (I Kings 11:36) So, Judah aka the Jews would mourn for Israel as one mourns for his firstborn. The bottom line is that the Day of Atonement that used to be celebrated as a prophecy to the day when Judah was atoned by the Scapegoat aka Israel. Today, we still celebrate the Day of Atonement but as in memory of the event already fulfilled. I am sorry that your "Bible facts" composing your outline above happened to fall in the hands of a Jew who sees absolutely no references to whatever about Jesus. Any and all analogies with what happened to Jesus is found only in the wish-thinking mind of Christian preconceived notions.  (Jan 22, 2016 | post #1)

Messianic Judaism

Is there any proof from the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks ...

The main reason why Yeshua could not have been the Messiah is based on the fact that Jesus was an individual and, an individual is born, lives his span of life and dies. Are we supposed to expect a different Messiah in every generation? Obviously not. The Messiah is not supposed to die but to remain as a People before the Lord forever. (Jer. 31:35-37) Besides, if you read Prophet Habakkuk 3:13, "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That's what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord, aka Israel, the Jewish People. Next, you can understand better the truth about Isaiah 53:  (Dec 24, 2015 | post #10)

Atheism

The Ultimate Evidence of God

_______________ There are no scientific evidences. All that Science has to offer are theories. Hypothetical theories that need to be replaced from time to time as someone stops by with a different theory.  (Dec 24, 2015 | post #177)

Atheism

The Ultimate Evidence of God

Try me! I won't stop lying because what I have to say is not a lie. And, believe it or not, I thank Physics with Logic that I can prove to you the existence of the Primal Cause. After two or three questions, you will probably be the one to go silent for lack of something to say to refute my logical views.  (Dec 24, 2015 | post #176)

Atheism

The Ultimate Evidence of God

The Primal Cause is the only cause without a cause. Hence, It is called the Primal Cause. If He had someone who created It. He could not be Primal Cause. Besides, the concept of Causality is not supposed to expand back ad infinitum, but till the first Cause aka the Primal Cause.  (Dec 24, 2015 | post #175)

Seventh-day Adventist

How can we tell if a Person is a Christian?

The quote I missed above to document Paul as the founder of Christianity is Acts 11:26.  (Dec 24, 2015 | post #11)

Seventh-day Adventist

How can we tell if a Person is a Christian?

All you need to know is if he or she believes that Jesus was "Christ. " That's all you need. When Paul founded the Christian Church in Antioch of Asia, wherever he spent some time and his disciples preaching about Jesus and his disciples started being called Christians, this means that he or she is a Christian. That's all it takes for someone to be known as a Christian  (Dec 24, 2015 | post #10)

Christian

Where Did the Devil Come From?

As I can see, you are indeed seeing the other side. Good for you and keep enlightening our Christian fellows but, if you don't mind, they will swallow better if you keep the "idiot" out of context.  (Apr 18, 2015 | post #559)

Christian

Where Did the Devil Come From?

Where did the Devil come from? Easy. From the superstitious minds of Christians. According to the Faith of Jesus which was Judaism, Devil is only a concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man.  (Apr 11, 2015 | post #548)

Christian

Where Did the Devil Come From?

This is Greek Mythology. It has nothing to do with the Faith of Jesus which was Judaism.  (Apr 7, 2015 | post #487)

Christian

Where Did the Devil Come From?

God is not the Messiah. The Messiah is the People of Israel. Read Habakkuk 3:13. "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His anointed one." That's what the Messiah is, the anointed one of the Lord.  (Apr 7, 2015 | post #486)

Atheism

Who is an atheist?

You are simply implying that Einstein was a liar. When he was asked if he was an atheist, his answer was, "Absolutely not.!" True that he couldn't refer to God as a person but, an atheist he could never have been. You must be an atheist trying to bring Einstein into your circle. Too bad for you because he was a Jew and, when asked if he believed in God, he said that all his life was trying to catch God at His work of Creation. At the time he was working on a formula about the expansion of the universe. Joking or not, he associated the expansion of the universe with Creation.  (Mar 21, 2015 | post #9615)

Seventh-day Adventist

The Light vs Darkness

You don't have what it takes to discuss the Bible with a Jew. Not even the NT which is a shame that a Jew should know it better than you do.  (Mar 21, 2015 | post #15)

Seventh-day Adventist

The Light vs Darkness

You are such a liar! I have found nothing in the NT where Jesus said that the Jews were scum. That would contradict himself who was a Jew whose Faith was Judaism. The opposite is rather true that Jesus considered the Gentiles as dogs if you read Mat. 15:26. So much so that he forbade his disciples to take the gospel of salvation to the Gentiles if you read Mat. 10:5,6. And when you say that he was not a Jew proves only that you don't know the ABC's in the NT.  (Mar 21, 2015 | post #14)

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