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Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

Sorry, the fourth sentence should read... The followers of these men... did exactly as you posted above, they put their trust in men (Koresh, Jones, Jeffs) who helped them "understand " and controlled their lives  (Jul 17, 2014 | post #13901)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

I would suggest to you that you read up on people such as Jim JOnes, David Koresh and Warren Jeffs... These men all had beliefs that God gave them divine interpretations... Each of them re-interpreted God's words to fit there own misconceptions about God. thus, making themselves theses 'holy-prophets' and saviors etc... These men did exactly what you just posted above which is " They put their trust in men, to make them understand and control their lives." This is exactly what the WTS teaches.. that you must put your faith and trust in the 'organization' in order to receive Salvation... these cults did the same thing...And look where it got them. No I don't believe the GB are going to ask you to drink any cool-aid or burn you alive or marry up all you children, but they are truly asking you to put your faith in them and the organization above Christ Jesus. Jesus tells us literally... The only way to the father is through the Son" NOT any visible earthly organization or mouthpiece is needed. Only faith in your savior, Christ Jesus. The WT has devised control tactics to keep its members in line. They teach you to bellieve that you cannot attain Salvation whether it is today or at the end of your life unless you put your faith in and support them and them alone. This is putting themselves in the place of Christ. Let me ask you a question.. do you believe that if you left the organization and worshipped and studied on your own that you would still be able to receive Salvation and what if the HS of God spoke to you and gave you different revelations about the bible which do not coincide with the WT teachings?.. The bible is about Love for the Father and all that He is.. including the Savior and HS.. It is about faith in HIs Son and knowing, believing in and honoring the Sacrifice that He made for us. We Honor and Serve the father by honoring and serving and obeying the Son and all the knowledge He gave us. the knowledge the Son gave us is the knowledge of the Father. IT is NOT about honoring and obeying a man made organization nor putting our faith in them that they are the way to salvation. Christ and Christ alone is our Salvation.  (Jul 17, 2014 | post #13900)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

Every creed, interpretation, re-wording, and translation which is a part of any man's faith comes from man's interpretation of scripture. All the doctrines and beliefs of the WTS and the NWT are from the interpretations of men.. An interpretation is wrong when it is translated into and from words which are not found in the original texts and when its doctrines do not hold up to what scripture says.... and when words are added and taken away from original texts. this is what the NWT has done. So I think you are the pot calling the kettle black. And you know, one man's Truth is perception my friend. Perception is derived in our minds and comes from a culmination of our experiences and the emotions we attach with them. So one man's perception of what he sees or hears may be totally different from another man who sees or hears the same thing. An example of this would be two children who see a dog barking, one is terrified of it because he doesn't like loud noises and the other gets a kick out of it. They both develop a different truth about dogs.. one is scared of them, the other loves them. Who is right? Are dogs bad or are dogs good?.. You see, we develop 'our truth' about things based on our understandings, experiences, exposures etc...to the things that shape our lives. My truth is not your truth, but it doesn't mean it isn't truth. This is how all of the interpretations of bibles are interpreted... by the humans and their perceptions of what these words mean to their lives and experiences. Charles Taze Russell re-interpreted scripture based on his perceptions of how these things fit in to his understanding. Do you really think he had access to all of the expert and scholarly materials and resources needed to understand the original Hebrew and Greek texts? He was an 18 year old kid who just didn't get it. He obviously was unable to understand the nature of God the father, God the Son and God the HS. so he made up his own truth to fit his perceptions and then created new perceptions and called them 'truth' when in reality, he has set in motion a mass denial of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.. The WT and the GB have taken on the role of Savior. And I assure you this perception that one must belong to the WTS to receive everlasting life is the biggest and worst truth of all misconceptions of God's Holy words. Have a good evening.  (Jul 13, 2014 | post #13763)

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Absolutely Mad. I too have many hopes. But my number one Hope is in Jesus... But that insertion does make it seem that there is more than one hope for salvation, such as the hope of joining an organization which is "essential for Salvation (March 15, 2012)5274 Watchtower Study Edition "Rejoicing in Our Hope" Paragraph 2 The other sheep should never forget that THEIR SALVATION DEPENDS on their active support of Christ's anointed "brothers " still on earth." Supporting the annointed is ESSENTIAL for salvation. You see my point? Salvation is not exclusive to one organization Mad, Salvation is exclusive to ALL believers in Christ and His sacrifice. Jesus is our ONLY hope.  (Jun 22, 2014 | post #3243)

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If churchoids went door-to-door...heh!

HI Mad, I will re-post because I would really like for you to answer this.... Compare with Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 (Now pay close attention Mad) For BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED; THINGS IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONES OR POWERS OR RULES OR AUTHORITIES; ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM AND FOR HIM. It goes on to tell us that he (Christ) is the head of the body, the church, he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have supremacy 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him...." so Isaiah states that God created all the heavens and earth and Colassians says that All things were created by and through Christ... Which one do you believe Mad.. they both can't be right can they? Unless..... well lets see now, Christ had all the fullness of God, God was living in him according to John 14:9-11 and John 14:7 tells us that if we have seen the Son, we have seen the Father too... Hmmmm???? Could it be that both God in Isaiah and Christ in Colossians both created All things together because they are One? Explain the two vs Mad.. How do you reconcile this?  (Jun 22, 2014 | post #1052)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

Lets move on from the issue of biology Boni and whether or not I understand it, I do. that was my whole point in stating my education. You are the one who said you gave me 'lesson' in biology in the original post to this conversation. I was merely pointing out that I did not need a biology lesson from you. Geez... If you read the original scriptures in it's original language of John 1:1-16.. It is very plain to see that The word (Christ) was with God in the beginning and WAS GOD, not A God, as good ole Freddy Franz translated.... So Jesus was the Word correct? and the Word was with God in the beginning correct? and the Word was God (in the original transcripts) Not A GOD correct? and the word became flesh/Jesus correct?... 1+1+1=3 correct? I also am well versed in basic math Boni....:)  (Jun 22, 2014 | post #13137)

Jehovah's Witness

Please JW's answer this question about Salvation

Where in the bible does it teach about 'paradise earth'.. Mt 8:11 says "I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are already in the God's kingdom where many will join them... and they sure aren't here on earth now are they? So where is this kingdom? It's in heaven. Churches do preach about the Kingdom Of God. Obviously you are not in churches to hear about it. John 14:2-3 Do not be troubled. "Trust in God, trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms, if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place I am going. Where did Jesus go? To heaven with the Father. Where is the father preparing a place for us? In HIS house in Heaven.  (Jun 22, 2014 | post #950)

Jehovah's Witness

Please JW's answer this question about Salvation

And here is what Satan is feeding you through the WT ... March 15, 2012 Watchtower Study Edition "Rejoicing in Our Hope" Paragraph 2 The other sheep should never forget that THEIR SALVATION DEPENDS on their active support of Christ's anointed "brothers " still on earth." Supporting the annointed is ESSENTIAL for salvation. *** w72 7/1 p. 404 par. 14 Blessing Jehovah in Our Daily Associations *** No matter how long we have known Jehovah, to hear these experiences and to express our own renew our appreciation for our relationship with Jehovah and reassure our FAITH IN HIS ORGANIZATION *** w79 3/1 p. 18 par. 23 Faith in Jehovah’s Victorious Organization *** What, then, should be our position today? Is there any cause for us to lose FAITH IN JEHOVAH'S INVISIBLE ORGANIZATION because of mounting difficulties in this world? Those who believe that Jehovah will never desert his faithful witnesses answer,“Absolutely not!” In demonstration of such faith, we will keep on sticking to it and working with it without slacking the hand. Our unwavering faith will be rewarded with victory and the crown of life! Compare with John 14:6. " I am the way the truth and life... No one comes to the Father but through me..." I don't see anywhere where it says one must go through the any organization. Jesus and Jesus alone is the way to salvation. Acts 16:30-31"Men, What must I do to be saved?" "Believe in the lord Jesus, and you will be saved- you and your household." John 3:16 states that "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. It does not state that only a few chosen ones will have eternal life.. It is whoever believe in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him... I hear about the good news of the Kingdom of God all the time and am taught that Jesus is the way to the kingdom of Heaven... not the WT society. I don't see that anywhere in the bible. The bible says nothing about using or NEEDING any channel to get to Him or the Father. If my bible study is correct, I believe it is as simple as prayer, bible study and listening to the prompting of the HS.  (Jun 22, 2014 | post #949)

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I didn't say it bothered me, I merely would like to know why the word [this] is in parentheses? In my NIV, it is not... what is the difference or significance of putting the word in [ ]?  (Jun 19, 2014 | post #3241)

Jehovah's Witness

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romans 8:24.... [this] And I never insult your God Mad. We worship the Same God. We just see him differently as far as how he shows himself. We worship the same omniscient, omnipresent, Almighty and All powerful creator of the heavens and earth. Plain and simple. Not an insult. You insult me and others because we believe differently than you. I would never insult my Lord and God, YHWH. Thanks in advance for answering the question. Have a good evening! Becky  (Jun 19, 2014 | post #3239)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

Firstly, I would like to say that we cannot compare how you and I and all other humans are 'begat' to how Christ was Begat... so your argument is invalid. Jesus was begat of the HS of God himself and scripture clearly shows that Jesus tells us that it is the Father living IN HIM doing the work and that if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father. Jesus clearly did not correct Thomas when he eagerly yelled.. "My Lord, My God!" . John 8:58 shows that Jesus referred to himself as "I AM' and with this, the people picked up stones to stone him for blasphemy for calling himself the Holy name of God Himself. It's all there.. connect the dots my friend. Jesus did not flaunt his true nature and I believe it was so people would see Jesus as god's son and the extent of which God loves His people through sacrificing his son. What greater sacrifice can one make than one's own son. God is very purposeful in what he allows us to see and not see. And what he does allow us to see is in His time including showing those of us who are spiritually ready to see God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. If you think God is limited in how he shows himself, then you are missing out on an amazing relationship with your creator.  (Jun 19, 2014 | post #13028)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

I never really gave any description of my qualifications... I merely was showing that I have been educated enough to understand basic biology. I am in no way an expert in it. I teach special education kindergarten and first grade. I am currently so far removed from using any biology in my teaching that I would have to really study in order to answer any specific questions... I UNDERSTAND how chromosomes work based on biology etc... that's all I was implying. And actually it is explained how his "Word" came into Mary's womb.. through the Power of God's holy spirit. God's is spirit and all powerful. All God has to do is speak Him into motion just as He did with Adam.. and He did just that as the Power (Spirit) of the Most High came over Mary. Something we cannot fathom in our little minds.  (Jun 19, 2014 | post #13026)

Jehovah's Witness

Please JW's answer this question about Salvation

The answer is that the JW's do not feed the hungry, nor give drink to the thirsty. they do not care for the sick, they do not clothe and house the poor. They take care of ONLY other JW's. Jesus was talking about all mankind. Where are the work and witness and missionary's of the WTO working in the world?.. Nowhere. They go to other countries, build KH's and knock on doors. I know of no JW missionary's working in the poorest of countries, feeding and providing medical care on the donations of others. When is the last time one of the JW's went into the prisons to minister that you know of? This is what Jesus was talking about. Doing these acts of love towards ALL in the name of Christ and teaching about Salvation through Him... not salvation through the WTO. I know many pastors who go to the hospitals and prisons to minister to the sick and fallen. I know several people who commit to lifetime of missionary work and teaching in the name of Christ and many others who give up vacations to go on work and witness trips. These are the people who give of their time to do the lord's work OUTSIDE of their congregations. This is what the scripture means. Our Salvation depends solely on our belief of Jesus as the sacrifice of God the Father to atone us for our sins and acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. When Jesus is brought into your heart, righteous living and acts of Love will flow for the sake of obeying Jesus and showing his love which we are commanded to do. This is how Salvation is attained.  (Jun 19, 2014 | post #936)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

Why would you find it interesting about my background?... Every person on this forum has some level of education whether it be just high school graduate or higher education such as a master's etc... I was merely trying to make a point to Boni, that I understand basic chromosomal biology.. she was being condescending to me over my knowledge. And just because a person may not have a higher level of education doesn't mean that they don't have knowledge or understanding of things such as biology or theology etc... You are correct, God is capable of doing anything including divesting spirit or human being of being with or without any physical or spiritual attribute of HIS chosing... including inhabiting His own spirit within the physical body of a man name Christ. When you use the phrase "humangodspir it' type thing" you make it sound as thought it is some form of weird sci-fy... thing. Jesus was human, created within a human body by the power of the HS of God Himself,. He was a human who was created for the sole purpose that God Himself could dwell among us, share his truth in a way in which we could never fully comprehend the significance of and suffer for us to show us the depths of His love for us. Jesus is God's way of showing himself and His love to us. Jesus is God in one form. You stated yourself that God is capable of Divesting his power in any form correct? What makes this concept so inconceivable especially when scripture shows that the 'word' was God and the word became flesh and dwelt among us and that It was the Father living in Christ who was doing the work?... If you have seen the Son, you have seen the Father. It really ain't rocket science.  (Jun 19, 2014 | post #12992)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

Boni, I am a teacher, I have three college degrees one of which includes a masters in curriculum and instruction.. I assure you I am well versed in basic chromosomal biology. Philippians 2:7-8 He made himself nothing Boni. He emptied himself of the Glory of God by submitting to the humiliation of becoming man for the sole purpose of being the sacrificial lamb of God. Really quite simple.  (Jun 18, 2014 | post #12983)