the best thing ANY and ALL of us can do for those poor people is to pray... I've been doing that every day. That is the MOST IMPORTANT THING I can do. (Thursday | post #247)
this was included in the post where you question my "of" Becky: "Yet, it was the actual Power of God living in and through Christ which denotes Christ as a different essence of God." Living in and through is the same as "of God"... Does that clarify? (Thursday | post #4621)
HI Boni, to my knowledge, I have never said or done anything to offend you, Correct? Having said that, I have anxiously been waiting while following posts on here for a while now for someone, just one person who believes in and follows the teachings of the WTS to answer this very same question. Honestly, my understanding of how to attain Salvation and everlasting life is to accept (believe, ask forgiveness and repent) and serve Christ as your Savior as the way to come to the father and Serve and Honor God through Christ. So I would like to ask you if you believe this teaching... that one must identify with and belong to the organization of JW's in order to receive everlasting life. And if so, where in the bible can I find scripture which supports this. Because I hope you will take the time to thoughtfully answer this for me. I look forward to your response. (Thursday | post #5828)
Its really quiet simple... In Isaiah 9:6 WHY is Jesus predicted and called WONDERFUL COUNSELOR AND EVERLASTING FATHER? "Why wouldn't he be?" is not an explanation or reason why. (Thursday | post #1128)
We are the children and 'sons and daughters' of God ONLY through 'adoption' by way of our faith in Christ... Christ was created through the actual 'fabric' of God the father. Thus, as we are created by the very fabric of our human parents, Christ is also created through the very same 'fabric' of His 'biological' father. as well as his biological human mother. Christ physical body was human in its nature, but His power was that of the Father. Do you believe that Jesus had the same "Almighty powers" as God himself when he performed all the miracles? I just feel like you all are missing the point that because of the Power which Jesus had which was that of God himself, this makes him the essence of God showing HImself and living through a different form, thus making Jesus God on Earth or in the Flesh. The physical body of Christ as a HUMAN FORM was limited in its abilities and subjected to the same kinds of sufferings and physical functions as us. It had to be that way in order for suffering to pass. Yet, it was the actual Power of God living in and through Christ which denotes Christ as a different essence of God. Have a good day. (Thursday | post #4619)
Hi Boni, First please know I am truly not trying to put any 'spin' on anything, I am merely trying to help you understand my understanding based on scripture... yet you have still neglected to address the other names. WC and EF... I told you, I understand your interpretation/bel ief on the calling of the Christ Mighty God" I am asking you about why in Isaiah 9:6 Christ is CALLED Wonderful Counselor and Everlasting Father? Please address ONLY these two. Thanks. (Tuesday May 21 | post #1097)
HI Stanley, the Tetragrammaton is translated as " I am that I am" or if you prefer "I will be what I will be" Correct? And would you agree that the Tetragrammaton is a name which identifies not just a name to call God but who God is within his all powerful nature. Would you agree with this? And if Jesus has the same name as YHWH then wouldn't this indicate as well that this is more than just a "family' name passed on such as you and your father both being Stanley Walker? ... Wouldn't it seem as though the fact that they have the same name and this name is such that it identifies the nature of God and all that He is as a mighty God might also imply that Jesus is of the same power and nature? I honestly can't fathom God 'passing on' the family name EXCEPT to identify that being with his same name of 'his nature' being of the same nature.. Do you see my point. Having the same Name as God and the significance of the name of God the Father, I believe implies much more than Christ as merely the son of God. He is much more than that. I realize you are very well studied and well versed in Biblical history and scripture (much more than me) and at times I am truly in awe of your knowledge, but this is something which just doesn't make sense to me... Have a blessed day! (Tuesday May 21 | post #4589)
No Problem.. I'm not on very much these days so I often lose where I was last time I was on. I worship God and Christ. I love both the Father and Son as well. I don't make God and Christ share anything. They made it that way. They share the same power, purpose, love, grace and sacrifice and they share the same equal place in Heaven. Christ is at the right hand of God on the throne of heaven. He is not behind, below, beneath or in front of, He is next to God. He and the Father are one in everything they do for us. I didn't write the scripture, I just read it and see who it tells me that Christ is in relation to God. God in His Power came to earth as a man. He begot a son through an immaculate conception to create the human being Jesus so that there would be a meaningful sacrifice. What would be the significance or significance to us if he sacrificed an ordinary human or an angel? We as humans can relate to the horrific suffering our children would go through and our loss if we had to sacrifice our child... I believe with all my heart this is why God created the human Christ as His Son. I also believe God loved Him as His son just as I do my daughter. So to sacrifice my child would be the ultimate show of love for anyone.. just as it was Gods. But it was God's almighty power which came to live within Christ on earth which according to John 1:1-14, Isaiah 9:6 and others show us How Christ is God in the Flesh and how the HS is God' OWN power which he sends to ALL man. Thus, One God, three (triune/trinity) essences/forms of God working in us. Do you not see the power which lived and worked through Christ and the Power of the Holy Spirit the same as and equal to the Power of our Almighty God? Again... the WORD TRINITY IS NOT THERE, BUT THE CONCEPT OF WHAT THE TRINITY IS.. IS THERE and plain to see. Going to bed now, won't be on for a few days most likely. but look forward to your response. Have a good night! (Sunday May 19 | post #4573)
Is it really hard to "leave" JW's?
Fair enough M.. I understand once you restated it. I too recoil at some of the comments and attitudes from both sides which I see on here. This is not how God calls us to minister to others on His behalf. I myself have been guilty a few times of being less than respectful to some on here, but God has admonished me and I am much more aware of my attitude and words now. When your passionate about Christ and his teachings, sometimes your flesh gets the better of you. But yes, there are some on here who just spew hate and negativity. We should all be able to have open, respectful debates. And I too have been to several other churches which are not of my denomination and have recoiled at their lack of spirituality. But I have also been to many churches where the presence of God and His amazing and powerful holy spirit is alive and well and working in and among the people bring them to Christ and everlasting life. To me, the connection to Christ and the Father is through the prompting and presence of the Holy spirit working in our life. The power of the HS is what prompts me, strengthens me, brings the love and grace of God to my heart. The power of the HS lights me on fire for my lord and Savior and God. It is incredibly important that we plant seeds for God and see the fruits of our sowing flouring through bringing others to Christ. This is what we are called to do as believers, followers and disciples of Christ. Seeing fruitage is not about seeing a church grow in size. Its about bringing as many hearts and lives to God through Christ as we can. But we also need to be careful not to judge the fruits of other denominations unless it is blatant sinful and negative against Christ and God teachings. Some churches are showing fruitage in ways which maybe you and I don't see. God judges the hearts of man along with their fruits and I believe with all my heart that if a person or church has the heart of Christ and God in their works and not seeing fruitage, that God will guide them if they are willing to see they need to adjust their works for God to produce more "God centered fruitage". But this is for God to judge not us. I work with a pastor's wife who pastor's a methodist church and the way she talks about how the services go, it sounds to me as though the Holy Spirit is never invited to the services to walk among the people or guide the services.. Having said this, God admonished me not to make a judgement on the pastor nor his church services because it is For God and God alone to judge the hearts of the people there. I do know that the Pastor is a wonderful, God fearing man who teaches strictly bible teachings. It's up to God to judge whether this church/pastor is creating God centered fruitage, not me or anyone.. We need to pray for those who are negative and ask God to bring His HS into their heart and life. (Sunday May 19 | post #3830)
Hi Boni, In all seriousness, I am still waiting for just ONE JW to explain WHY in Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is referred to as Wonderful Counselor and Everlasting Father. I've heard the explanation for why he is called "mighty God" and disagree as I do, any JW on here who has attempted to address this scripture of Isaiah 9:6 has yet to address any of the titles other than the "mighty God' title which Jesus was prophesied as... So Why do you believe that he is called 'wonderful Counselor' the same as the HS and Everlasting Father the same as YHWH? Will you be bold and attempt an explanation.. Because this is one verse which to me and billions of other believers clearly show that Jesus is 'the human child/flesh, the Everlasting father/God and the Wonderful Counselor/Holy spirit all wrapped up into one amazing Almighty God. So what say you on these. No need to address why he is called "Mighty God" I heard that one many times. (Sunday May 19 | post #1040)
HI iiii... I don't believe the fact that the disciples did not teach the 'trinity' proves that it was unknown or strange... Based on what the disciples taught, it appears as though they their teachings focused on the love which God the father showed through the sacrifice of his only begotten son as well as the ways to righteous and holy living. All of this is based on Faith in and the Belief that Jesus lived, died and was resurrected so that WE may have eternal life. This was the focus of their teachings. I am not even sure they completely understood that they were in the presence of God in the Flesh while learning from Jesus. They believed that he was Sent by God and had the power of God. But whether they truly understood that Christ was God in the Flesh may have been more than they could conceptualize at that time because their ministry. Jesus even states in John 16:25 Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father. Now if this is the case, that they didn't completely understand Jesus' true nature at this time, it is not for me nor anyone to question why.. Only God knows. There are many things that the WTO hasn't understood clearly at many points in time but have been given 'new light' and claim to understand things more clearly than they had previously correct? Well maybe this is the same with how the CONCEPT of the trinity has evolved.. God has presented a more clear understanding of who Jesus is after a time when man was more ready to understand after more diligently learning the teachings of Christ and who Jesus is has been revealed now that man more clearly understands the teachings of God's words through Christ. Just because they didn't openly teach that Jesus was God in the flesh did not mean that did not see it. There may be reasons which we will never know or understand why the disciples either did not see it clearly or did not teach it. Your reasoning proves nothing other than to say that the disciples focused on teaching the Love of God, salvation and eternal life, and how to get there through righteous and holy living. These are the most important things we need to know about the teachings of the disciples. (Sunday May 19 | post #1039)
Hi Boni, You keep asking where the biblical teaching for Trinity is correct? How many times have many of us stated that the WORD "Trinity " is NOT a biblical WORD.. But this does not mean that it is not a biblical concept connecting the Father, Jesus and the HS as all being the Same God in three forms... Trinity is a WORD which ENCOMPASSES A CONCEPT OF WHO GOD, JESUS AND THE HS ARE. Just as we've pointed out numerous times it is no different than the JW's using the phrases... "God's chosen earthly organization" the WTS is the ONLY "CHANNEL " to Jesus these are phrases which the WT uses consistently to TRY and prove that you are God's chosen organization yet there is NOT ONE SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT that God needs a channel other than Jesus and there is no where in scripture that states you must belong to Any ORGANIZATION... HOWEVER...I and others have provided scripture which CLEARLY shows the connection between the Father, Son and HS as all having the same Power of God.. thus making them ALL three God in not only the Power which they have, but their purpose, the truth they bring us and the Love of God which ALL THREE BRING TO US.. God is a triune God who has shown Himself and works in and through us in three ways, through three essences and is one All powerful, all knowing and ever constant being. Do you believe that Jesus was all knowing and all powerful and continues to be ever constant? Do you believe that the HS is all powerful, all knowing and ever constant? I will assume you see the Father as these attributes as well. All three have the same power and every other attribute as God does because they ALL three ARE God, in His Power which worked through the Human Flesh of Christ on earth and Holy Spirit which brings the power of God to man after Jesus ascended to the Father and has continued on through the eons of time to us today. Thus.. the CONCEPT OF TRINITY... God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. His love, Power and grace never changes and never ends just as His Grace, Christ's sacrifice and the Power of the HS never change and will never end. John 1:1 and 14.. The Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD... 14: The Word became Flesh and lived for a while among us. Lets see.. The Word WAS God (1) The Word BECAME FLESH (14) So God is the Word and the word became Flesh.. Who was the flesh which John is talking about? Could it be Jesus? Well of course.. So lets rephrase this... IN the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and (the)Word (Jesus) was with God, and (the) Word (Jesus) WAS God... now skip to 14.. The Word (Jesus) became flesh and lived for a while among us... It really is not hard.. Just open your eyes and more importantly, open your heart to Christ because as you well know, NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME. (That would be Jesus talking not the GB or organization. (Sunday May 19 | post #1037)
That surprises you? Their doctrines are infamous for only taking one scripture at a time and building a doctrine around it instead of whole passages, paragraphs, chapters etc.. where sound doctrines are translated based on connections in and between scripture.. As it should be. (Sunday May 19 | post #232)
A celebration, no matter what the occasion is a party of honor for an event which has taken place.. Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, Anniversaries, birthdays, graduation parties... makes no difference, they are all celebrations of events which honor people who have had an impact on our life in some way or another. The marriage was God inspired, not the celebration of the event. Christmas and Easter are two most profound spiritual/religiou s events in history. One because God the Father gave man the first most important Gift ever, a Savior... And Easter because without the sacrifice and the resurrection, there would be no Salvation and atonement and cleansing through the Blood and NO Holy spirit to minister to us. Romans 3:25 and John 8:25 A celebration is a celebration... You can't pick and chose. And I believe with all my heart that God is pleased that we honor the people in our lives who have impacted us as well as helped to lead us to Christ. If you put a person's importance before that of Christ and the Father, then, no it is wrong,... but if you knew the gist of the celebrations, you would understand that no one (who is a believer and follower of Christ) puts any human person above or before The father and Son and HS.. For Christians: Christmas is a celebration the birth of our SAVIOR and giving God honor and Glory for sending the gift of His Son. Easter is a celebration of the resurrection of Jesus to acknowledge the sacrifice and atonement FOR US has been completed. All the honor and Glory is given to God and Christ for this. You really don't believe that these are reasons for Christians to celebrate? They are the events which bring us to God. (Sunday May 19 | post #231)
Is it really hard to "leave" JW's?
Possibly.. All I know is that my dad who is on a VERY limited income spends a lot of money on magazines and bibles and other books to hand out... On top of what he donates or gives in offerings every week/month.. (Friday May 10 | post #3761)