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Why was the NWT written?

Hi LL.... When is the last time you have known that a member of the WTS or a JW has 'tested' the spirit or in other words the teachings of the WTS?.. In essence, the WT teaches that the men of the GB teach the word based on the divine inspirations of the spirit.. in other words, the GB speak for the spirit of God correct? since they are the ones who receive the 'truth'... And all others fall short of the truth.. would you agree? Having cleared all of this up.. when is the last time you have seen a JW in good standing question and question some more the teachings of the WT/AKA GB and not be disfellowshipped or shunned or whatever? You say it is no one elses decision on how you act, yet are you going to state here that one can openly question within a meeting teachings of the WTS and not pay a price for it? I recently attended a WT meeting with my father and it was the absolute most robotic meeting I have ever attended. Every person who answered a question from the WT study questions basically repeated in different words what the answers to the questions were which were printed in the magazines.. there is no opportunity to test anyone LL. When is the last time you went to a meeting. EVeryone is so well behaved being 'together in the truth' that they don't realize there is any other way to see scripture. And one last thing I would like to share, the meeting that I went to back in May, both women and children were given the microphone to share their thoughts/interpret ations of the answers to the WT questions during the meeting and if I remember correctly, you adamantly told me that women are not to engage in teaching conversation in the church. I am curious what you meant in privious posts because it was so obvious that although they were not allowed to lead the meetings, they were as involved in responding to teachings as the males. Take care. Talk to you later, as you can tell, I'm not on here much any more. God's blessings to you LL. Becky  (Thursday Sep 18 | post #553)

Jehovah's Witness

Why was the NWT written?

HI LL, Hope this finds you well... In response to your post... let me ask .... why is it okay for the 8 or so men in Bethel to claim they have divine inspiration from God and who decide what translations and teachings are to be published the even newer NWT and the WT magazines but yet, it is not okay for churches to listen to the preachings of 'pastors' and preachers who answer to 'commitees' within other denominations and answer to them if teaching is NOT sound biblical principal.? The WT vehemently teach that churches are subject to the teachings of ONE MAN, the pastor... This is not correct.. We are subject to the belief system and translations of scholars who are experts in the field of theology and religious factual history..Our pastors study the findings of the experts and share experiences where they apply scripture to history and everyday circumstances as well as experiences. This is the best way to apply scripture wouldn't you agree.. to apply it to our everyday lives..This is what our pastors do. So are your 8 members of the WT GB not your pastor? I subscribe to the teachings of the Nazarene Church and I do know that my pastor who leads and teaches to our congregation is required to follow the belief system of the Church of the Nazarene denomination as a whole... what is the difference LL?... Who said the GB have the 'true inspired word of God'? Every other denomination which I know of believe that the 'inspired' teachings of the GB are incorrect.... Who nominated them as the 'keepers of the real truth?'... they nominated themselves LL.. Doesn't that concern you? The majority of all other religious denominations (barring catholisism) agree that the WTS teaches non-truth because their translations have been shown to have fault and were derived within one religion and not agreed upon by the 'masses' as well as scholars. they have no proof that their translations were done by religious and historical scholars like the majority of mainstream religions. What does this speak to you LL? ... You really put your faith in 8 men rather than the totality of the agreement of scholars which is what most other mainstream religions are built upon..Their agreement upon the translations which they adopt and make doctrines from or those of 8 isolated men? Have a blessed day.  (Sunday Sep 14 | post #423)

Jehovah's Witness

JW'S are 100% right about the trinity?

Hi Dee... been off of here for a while.. was getting really negative so needed a break along with just being plain busy and enjoying life and reaching another level of faith and connection with my Lord and Savior Jesus. Couldn't do that totally with so much negativity on this forum. Anyway, in addition to your post... I was reading something from Hank Hanegraff "the bible answer man' on who the antichrist is and this is what his research, study and expertise concludes.... Who is the AntiChrist? First, the apostle John exposed the identity of Antichrist when he wrote, "Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist.- he denies the Father and the Son. NO one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also". (1 John 2:22) Now here comes the comes the bombshell... John taught that all who deny the incarnation, messianic role, and deity of Jesus are instances o antichrist. As such the term "antichrist " refers not only to the apostasy of individuals but to the apostasy of institutions and ideologies as well..... "The complete Bible Answer Book" by Hank Hanegraaf (The bible answer man) 497 and 498 The JW's deny Christ as anything more than a mediator. They deny Him as the way to the Father, they place the WTS in the place of the Jesus as the way to the Father and the kingdom of God. They have made themselves the Christ.. and because they do not believe nor teach that Jesus was God in the flesh (God incarnate) they deny the deity of Christ, thus denying Christ Himself and God. And yes I agree, it is our responsibility to expose the lies of man. I had a discussion with a JW woman the other day and told her one of my problems with the teachings of the JW is that they constantly degrade other religions for 'following the teachings' of man through Pastors, priests etc... yet they follow the teachings of the few men sitting on the WT thrones up at Bethel who are the only ones allowed or 'holy' enough to gain the so called divine inspiration from the Holy Spirit whom they pass along in the WT magazines.. So basically, the GB are their pastor/priests... boy isn't that a little like the pot calling the kettle black.. and if you question them or disagree, you lose your chance to see the kingdom of God because now you are an apostate. Blessings to you Dee, hope this finds you well. I still won't be on too much, just checking in here and there.  (Sunday Sep 14 | post #944)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

Sorry, the fourth sentence should read... The followers of these men... did exactly as you posted above, they put their trust in men (Koresh, Jones, Jeffs) who helped them "understand " and controlled their lives  (Jul 17, 2014 | post #13901)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

I would suggest to you that you read up on people such as Jim JOnes, David Koresh and Warren Jeffs... These men all had beliefs that God gave them divine interpretations... Each of them re-interpreted God's words to fit there own misconceptions about God. thus, making themselves theses 'holy-prophets' and saviors etc... These men did exactly what you just posted above which is " They put their trust in men, to make them understand and control their lives." This is exactly what the WTS teaches.. that you must put your faith and trust in the 'organization' in order to receive Salvation... these cults did the same thing...And look where it got them. No I don't believe the GB are going to ask you to drink any cool-aid or burn you alive or marry up all you children, but they are truly asking you to put your faith in them and the organization above Christ Jesus. Jesus tells us literally... The only way to the father is through the Son" NOT any visible earthly organization or mouthpiece is needed. Only faith in your savior, Christ Jesus. The WT has devised control tactics to keep its members in line. They teach you to bellieve that you cannot attain Salvation whether it is today or at the end of your life unless you put your faith in and support them and them alone. This is putting themselves in the place of Christ. Let me ask you a question.. do you believe that if you left the organization and worshipped and studied on your own that you would still be able to receive Salvation and what if the HS of God spoke to you and gave you different revelations about the bible which do not coincide with the WT teachings?.. The bible is about Love for the Father and all that He is.. including the Savior and HS.. It is about faith in HIs Son and knowing, believing in and honoring the Sacrifice that He made for us. We Honor and Serve the father by honoring and serving and obeying the Son and all the knowledge He gave us. the knowledge the Son gave us is the knowledge of the Father. IT is NOT about honoring and obeying a man made organization nor putting our faith in them that they are the way to salvation. Christ and Christ alone is our Salvation.  (Jul 17, 2014 | post #13900)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

Every creed, interpretation, re-wording, and translation which is a part of any man's faith comes from man's interpretation of scripture. All the doctrines and beliefs of the WTS and the NWT are from the interpretations of men.. An interpretation is wrong when it is translated into and from words which are not found in the original texts and when its doctrines do not hold up to what scripture says.... and when words are added and taken away from original texts. this is what the NWT has done. So I think you are the pot calling the kettle black. And you know, one man's Truth is perception my friend. Perception is derived in our minds and comes from a culmination of our experiences and the emotions we attach with them. So one man's perception of what he sees or hears may be totally different from another man who sees or hears the same thing. An example of this would be two children who see a dog barking, one is terrified of it because he doesn't like loud noises and the other gets a kick out of it. They both develop a different truth about dogs.. one is scared of them, the other loves them. Who is right? Are dogs bad or are dogs good?.. You see, we develop 'our truth' about things based on our understandings, experiences, exposures etc...to the things that shape our lives. My truth is not your truth, but it doesn't mean it isn't truth. This is how all of the interpretations of bibles are interpreted... by the humans and their perceptions of what these words mean to their lives and experiences. Charles Taze Russell re-interpreted scripture based on his perceptions of how these things fit in to his understanding. Do you really think he had access to all of the expert and scholarly materials and resources needed to understand the original Hebrew and Greek texts? He was an 18 year old kid who just didn't get it. He obviously was unable to understand the nature of God the father, God the Son and God the HS. so he made up his own truth to fit his perceptions and then created new perceptions and called them 'truth' when in reality, he has set in motion a mass denial of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.. The WT and the GB have taken on the role of Savior. And I assure you this perception that one must belong to the WTS to receive everlasting life is the biggest and worst truth of all misconceptions of God's Holy words. Have a good evening.  (Jul 13, 2014 | post #13763)

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The Most Accurate & Honest of all Bible Translations- the...

Absolutely Mad. I too have many hopes. But my number one Hope is in Jesus... But that insertion does make it seem that there is more than one hope for salvation, such as the hope of joining an organization which is "essential for Salvation (March 15, 2012)5274 Watchtower Study Edition "Rejoicing in Our Hope" Paragraph 2 The other sheep should never forget that THEIR SALVATION DEPENDS on their active support of Christ's anointed "brothers " still on earth." Supporting the annointed is ESSENTIAL for salvation. You see my point? Salvation is not exclusive to one organization Mad, Salvation is exclusive to ALL believers in Christ and His sacrifice. Jesus is our ONLY hope.  (Jun 22, 2014 | post #3243)

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If churchoids went door-to-door...heh!

HI Mad, I will re-post because I would really like for you to answer this.... Compare with Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 (Now pay close attention Mad) For BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED; THINGS IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONES OR POWERS OR RULES OR AUTHORITIES; ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM AND FOR HIM. It goes on to tell us that he (Christ) is the head of the body, the church, he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have supremacy 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him...." so Isaiah states that God created all the heavens and earth and Colassians says that All things were created by and through Christ... Which one do you believe Mad.. they both can't be right can they? Unless..... well lets see now, Christ had all the fullness of God, God was living in him according to John 14:9-11 and John 14:7 tells us that if we have seen the Son, we have seen the Father too... Hmmmm???? Could it be that both God in Isaiah and Christ in Colossians both created All things together because they are One? Explain the two vs Mad.. How do you reconcile this?  (Jun 22, 2014 | post #1052)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

Lets move on from the issue of biology Boni and whether or not I understand it, I do. that was my whole point in stating my education. You are the one who said you gave me 'lesson' in biology in the original post to this conversation. I was merely pointing out that I did not need a biology lesson from you. Geez... If you read the original scriptures in it's original language of John 1:1-16.. It is very plain to see that The word (Christ) was with God in the beginning and WAS GOD, not A God, as good ole Freddy Franz translated.... So Jesus was the Word correct? and the Word was with God in the beginning correct? and the Word was God (in the original transcripts) Not A GOD correct? and the word became flesh/Jesus correct?... 1+1+1=3 correct? I also am well versed in basic math Boni....:)  (Jun 22, 2014 | post #13137)

Jehovah's Witness

Please JW's answer this question about Salvation

Where in the bible does it teach about 'paradise earth'.. Mt 8:11 says "I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are already in the God's kingdom where many will join them... and they sure aren't here on earth now are they? So where is this kingdom? It's in heaven. Churches do preach about the Kingdom Of God. Obviously you are not in churches to hear about it. John 14:2-3 Do not be troubled. "Trust in God, trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms, if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place I am going. Where did Jesus go? To heaven with the Father. Where is the father preparing a place for us? In HIS house in Heaven.  (Jun 22, 2014 | post #950)

Jehovah's Witness

Please JW's answer this question about Salvation

And here is what Satan is feeding you through the WT ... March 15, 2012 Watchtower Study Edition "Rejoicing in Our Hope" Paragraph 2 The other sheep should never forget that THEIR SALVATION DEPENDS on their active support of Christ's anointed "brothers " still on earth." Supporting the annointed is ESSENTIAL for salvation. *** w72 7/1 p. 404 par. 14 Blessing Jehovah in Our Daily Associations *** No matter how long we have known Jehovah, to hear these experiences and to express our own renew our appreciation for our relationship with Jehovah and reassure our FAITH IN HIS ORGANIZATION *** w79 3/1 p. 18 par. 23 Faith in Jehovah’s Victorious Organization *** What, then, should be our position today? Is there any cause for us to lose FAITH IN JEHOVAH'S INVISIBLE ORGANIZATION because of mounting difficulties in this world? Those who believe that Jehovah will never desert his faithful witnesses answer,“Absolutely not!” In demonstration of such faith, we will keep on sticking to it and working with it without slacking the hand. Our unwavering faith will be rewarded with victory and the crown of life! Compare with John 14:6. " I am the way the truth and life... No one comes to the Father but through me..." I don't see anywhere where it says one must go through the any organization. Jesus and Jesus alone is the way to salvation. Acts 16:30-31"Men, What must I do to be saved?" "Believe in the lord Jesus, and you will be saved- you and your household." John 3:16 states that "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. It does not state that only a few chosen ones will have eternal life.. It is whoever believe in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him... I hear about the good news of the Kingdom of God all the time and am taught that Jesus is the way to the kingdom of Heaven... not the WT society. I don't see that anywhere in the bible. The bible says nothing about using or NEEDING any channel to get to Him or the Father. If my bible study is correct, I believe it is as simple as prayer, bible study and listening to the prompting of the HS.  (Jun 22, 2014 | post #949)

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The Most Accurate & Honest of all Bible Translations- the...

I didn't say it bothered me, I merely would like to know why the word [this] is in parentheses? In my NIV, it is not... what is the difference or significance of putting the word in [ ]?  (Jun 19, 2014 | post #3241)

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The Most Accurate & Honest of all Bible Translations- the...

romans 8:24.... [this] And I never insult your God Mad. We worship the Same God. We just see him differently as far as how he shows himself. We worship the same omniscient, omnipresent, Almighty and All powerful creator of the heavens and earth. Plain and simple. Not an insult. You insult me and others because we believe differently than you. I would never insult my Lord and God, YHWH. Thanks in advance for answering the question. Have a good evening! Becky  (Jun 19, 2014 | post #3239)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

Firstly, I would like to say that we cannot compare how you and I and all other humans are 'begat' to how Christ was Begat... so your argument is invalid. Jesus was begat of the HS of God himself and scripture clearly shows that Jesus tells us that it is the Father living IN HIM doing the work and that if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father. Jesus clearly did not correct Thomas when he eagerly yelled.. "My Lord, My God!" . John 8:58 shows that Jesus referred to himself as "I AM' and with this, the people picked up stones to stone him for blasphemy for calling himself the Holy name of God Himself. It's all there.. connect the dots my friend. Jesus did not flaunt his true nature and I believe it was so people would see Jesus as god's son and the extent of which God loves His people through sacrificing his son. What greater sacrifice can one make than one's own son. God is very purposeful in what he allows us to see and not see. And what he does allow us to see is in His time including showing those of us who are spiritually ready to see God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. If you think God is limited in how he shows himself, then you are missing out on an amazing relationship with your creator.  (Jun 19, 2014 | post #13028)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

I never really gave any description of my qualifications... I merely was showing that I have been educated enough to understand basic biology. I am in no way an expert in it. I teach special education kindergarten and first grade. I am currently so far removed from using any biology in my teaching that I would have to really study in order to answer any specific questions... I UNDERSTAND how chromosomes work based on biology etc... that's all I was implying. And actually it is explained how his "Word" came into Mary's womb.. through the Power of God's holy spirit. God's is spirit and all powerful. All God has to do is speak Him into motion just as He did with Adam.. and He did just that as the Power (Spirit) of the Most High came over Mary. Something we cannot fathom in our little minds.  (Jun 19, 2014 | post #13026)